Conspiracy theory's

[Amii]

WHY would they want to kill thousands of their own people? What was their end-game? their goal?

It was a way to enter into another war. The American people never would have backed another war on 9/10. Everything changed on 9/11.

Look at how many rights have been taken away from American citizens since 9/11. Every right has been taken away in the name of keeping us safe from terrorists.

Henry Kissenger wrote his Harvord thesis about how the elite needed to create wars big and small so they could funnel money from the American people. He was not only talking about combat wars. He was also writing about wars such as the war on drugs, illiteracy, poverty, etc. Wars of all kinds have huge amounts of money thrown at them and no accountability.

 

[LuvCuteBoys]

If I were that confident that our government was truly evil and conspired to kill our own citizens and blamed it on terrorists, I probably wouldn't be wasting my time arguing with people on message boards... and I certainly wouldn't post pictures of myself and my loved ones on a public forum. I'd be too scared that they were using some type of facial recognition to zero in on the people who were on to their game.

 

[DianeV]

If I were that confident that our government was truly evil and conspired to kill our own citizens and blamed it on terrorists, I probably wouldn't be wasting my time arguing with people on message boards... and I certainly wouldn't post pictures of myself and my loved ones on a public forum. I'd be too scared that they were using some type of facial recognition to zero in on the people who were on to their game.

 

[Grumpy's Gal]

Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory is one of my favourite TV shows, if that gives you any idea. HAARP and the New World Order are my favourites.

I loved that show but was it taken off tv? I wish it would come back on. I didn't agree with everything he said but it did sure make people think for themselves.

I also like the tv show Decoded! (Brad Meltzer) Does anyone know if there will be another season of that?

 

[momof1princess]

I have a question for those who believe in a conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination.

Is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't actually fire the shot that killed JFK, or is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald did kill JFK, but was acting on behalf of others?

personally, i don't think oswald possessed the skill to fire the shot. his fellow marines often laughed at his shooting skills, and many expert marksmen, with much greater skills than oswald, have tried to duplicate the shot and failed.

if you watch the zapruder film, JFK's head flies backward when the shot hits him in the right side of the forehead. a head doesn't fly backward when hit from behind, it flies forward.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7879805770464697597

 

[disneylovin24]

I love Conspiracy Theories. I especially love the sound they make as they go whizzing by.

"Political dissension is doubtless a less evil than the lethargy of despotism: but still it is a great evil, and it would be as worthy the efforts of the patriot as of the philosopher, to exclude it's influence if possible, from social life. The good are rare enough at best. There is no reason to subdivide them by artificial lines. But whether we shall ever be able so far to perfect the principles of society as that political opinions shall, in it's intercourse, be as inoffensive as those of philosophy, mechanics, or any other, may well be doubted." Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Pinckney, 29 May 1797




Plum Island is interesting to me given it's relative proximity to where the Montauk Monster washed up on shore during the Summer of 2008. It's already common knowledge that the US Military uses animals for testing purposes (See also "Monkey House Reston, VA"), so I do not find it completely out of the realm of possibilities that they would also use animals for the purposes of conducting experiments in genetic manipulation.

I personally believe hte Montauk Monster was just a dog that washed up on shore after days at sea but I know it's more fun to think otherwise I know that Plum Island tests plenty of animals, but I think they are just testing them for diseases. I myself don't see what they could gain with genetic mutations.



I have never subscribed to the Magic Bullet theory as presented by the Warren Commission. Kennedy was against involvement in Vietnam and war equates to a substantial amount of tax dollars flowing into the DoD, various agencies and billions of dollars being fast tracked towards military contracts.



That's actually an very interesting question. Suicide bombers with backpacks or briefcases with concealed explosives in the WTC towers on the day of the attacks would have been a a grwat tactical backup plan. Given the number of buinessmen and ordinary people who frequented the buildings they probably would not have been viewed as out of the ordinary or caused much suspicion.

I don't but into that one, but it is an interesting twist. Instead I believe the "explosions" on the lower floors are nothing more than increasing air pressure caused by the collapsing floors above blowing out at the weakest point of escape.


I believe that air pressure caused all of the other "explosions" too but I just wanted to pose a theory to those who believed it had to be the US government that also used bombs to bring the towers down. Why does it have to be the government that planted other bombs?

Given the path of Flight 77 the most likely place for the plane to have landed was nearby Reagan International Airport. However I have friends who worked at the Pentagon, who were in the parking lot and personally witnessed the plane hit the exterior.

I have a question for those who believe in a conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination.

Is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't actually fire the shot that killed JFK, or is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald did kill JFK, but was acting on behalf of others?

I believe that Oswald was working with the mob who was planning to take down Kennedy. He and another man were stationed around the area where Kennedy would be traveling. They both shot and both hit him. I believe that there was no magic bullet and there was definetely a shot that came from the front. Oswald was the only one caught while the other got away. The investigation I believe did lead to the mob but the US government did not want to get involved with that so they left it at the lone gunman theory.

 

[disneylovin24]

personally, i don't think oswald possessed the skill to fire the shot. his fellow marines often laughed at his shooting skills, and many expert marksmen, with much greater skills than oswald, have tried to duplicate the shot and failed.

if you watch the zapruder film, JFK's head flies backward when the shot hits him in the right side of the forehead. a head doesn't fly backward when hit from behind, it flies forward.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7879805770464697597

While I do believe that there was more then one gunman, I believe that Owald could have fired and gotten the shots fired fast due to adrenaline.

 

[LuvCuteBoys]

For those of you who truly believe this 9/11 stuff, are you trying to do something about it? Or is it something that just makes you angry but you aren't worried about what might happen in the future?

I honestly can't wrap my head around the concept, but if you truly believe that our government killed it's own citizens and passed it off as a terrorist attack, are you just content to go about your daily life and not let it affect you? That's your call and I'm not gonna judge, but why would something so catastrophic only be mentioned because someone created a thread about conspiracy theories?

 

[momof1princess]

While I do believe that there was more then one gunman, I believe that Owald could have fired and gotten the shots fired fast due to adrenaline.

oswald was a mediocre shot, according to the other marines in his unit, and the rifle he was using wasn't exactly top of the line. IMHO, adrenaline doesn't make up for lack of skill. i don't doubt at all that oswald fired a shot, as he was intended to take the fall for the assassination, but i seriously doubt his shot got anywhere near the motorcade. that shot took some SERIOUS skill, and oswald just didn't have it.

 

[bdcp]

Given the path of Flight 77 the most likely place for the plane to have landed was nearby Reagan International Airport. However I have friends who worked at the Pentagon, who were in the parking lot and personally witnessed the plane hit the exterior.

Me too. Friends, and a co-worker who was on his way there for a meeting and there is video of a plane going into the Pentagon. I live in the DC area and anyone who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy is someone who thinks everyone is out to get them too. It's scary to think how many people think our Gov is like some extreme military dictatorships that do exist in parts of the world. Nothing is perfect, but tell me, how could the "government" (which by the way is just made up of ordinary people) every pull off anything that large? Is any governemnt perfect? No, but what we have here in the US is so superior to most of the rest of the world. My opinion is conspiracy theorists are really those that want to see our government fail and bring in socialism, or even communism. It's not really about conspiracy, but about convincing others that they exist and swaying opinion for their own reasons.

 

[DopeyDame]

It was a way to enter into another war. The American people never would have backed another war on 9/10. Everything changed on 9/11.

Look at how many rights have been taken away from American citizens since 9/11. Every right has been taken away in the name of keeping us safe from terrorists.

Henry Kissenger wrote his Harvord thesis about how the elite needed to create wars big and small so they could funnel money from the American people. He was not only talking about combat wars. He was also writing about wars such as the war on drugs, illiteracy, poverty, etc. Wars of all kinds have huge amounts of money thrown at them and no accountability.

Thanks for answering the question directly. I can't even begin to wrap my head around your perspective, but I sincerely appreciate your straight forward answer.
I do share your concern about rights being taken away (although "every right" is a bit extreme, given that we're having this conversation on a public internet board - we certainly wouldn't be getting away with this in China or Soviet Russia!)

I can think of about a zillion easier and less lethal ways for the elite to get richer, so I really can't buy into the theory. Even as you stated, a renewed war on poverty or illiteracy would be a lot easier to pull off (and who knows - might even lessen poverty or illiteracy to boot!)

 

[DopeyDame]

For those of you who truly believe this 9/11 stuff, are you trying to do something about it? Or is it something that just makes you angry but you aren't worried about what might happen in the future?

I honestly can't wrap my head around the concept, but if you truly believe that our government killed it's own citizens and passed it off as a terrorist attack, are you just content to go about your daily life and not let it affect you? That's your call and I'm not gonna judge, but why would something so catastrophic only be mentioned because someone created a thread about conspiracy theories?

Excellent point.

 

[hambirg]

Just because the Earth goes through cycles of heating and cooling, it's OK for us to just dump pollutants into the air and water when we can otherwise avoid it?

Nobody is saying anything about dumping pollutants. CO2 is not actually a pollutant. It can be argued that it's a matter of semantics. But it's a cycle, much like the H2O cycle, and most people would agree that H20 is not a pollutant.

I actually think we should be more focused on the narrower definition of pollutants. . .like dioxin, etc.

 

[m&m's mom]

I think everyone here is missing something huge- It's called COINCEDENCE!
Things happen as coincedences, there are things we do not know that we are not taking into account and there is simply time- and that is where Roswell come in.
I feel qualified to talk about Roswell because-well it supposedly happened on my family's ranch- while my family lived there.
I can absolutely see why Roswell is ripe for conspiracy theories since I have first hand knowledge and I can't make sense of it.

Roswell? Many military people who were there and are now elderly have started speaking out, but the government has made them look like fools. Wonder why? The son of one of these military guys wrote a book about what his father told him on his deathbed, complete with names, dates, details etc, very seemingly convincing information, and suddenly there appeared a document from a psychiatrist who wrote that he treated the son for schizophrenia. The son swears up and down that he isn't schizophrenic, was never treated for schizophrenia and has no idea who the psychiatrist is. Guess what, when he hired a detective to find this elusive doctor, the doctor had just died and so could give no testimony. I believe the government created this false medical record to discredit the guy.

Kennedy assassination? No idea. I never looked into that.

 

[rie'smom]

While I do believe that there was more then one gunman, I believe that Owald could have fired and gotten the shots fired fast due to adrenaline.

Oswald used a Italian Carcano bolt-action rifle. It was not capable of firing that quickly. So even if he was an expert marksman which he wasn't, the rifle was inadequate.

For those of you who truly believe this 9/11 stuff, are you trying to do something about it? Or is it something that just makes you angry but you aren't worried about what might happen in the future?

I honestly can't wrap my head around the concept, but if you truly believe that our government killed it's own citizens and passed it off as a terrorist attack, are you just content to go about your daily life and not let it affect you? That's your call and I'm not gonna judge, but why would something so catastrophic only be mentioned because someone created a thread about conspiracy theories?

We are doing something, research. What would you have us do? If the gov't did conspire to kill all those people, what's a few more?
BTW, this is not the first time the conspiracy discussion has come up on the DIS.

 

[DopeyDame]

I feel qualified to talk about Roswell because-well it supposedly happened on my family's ranch- while my family lived there.
I can absolutely see why Roswell is ripe for conspiracy theories since I have first hand knowledge and I can't make sense of it.

You can't leave us hanging like that! Give us the first hand knowledge!

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

My friend alays tells me, he believes Osald as not Oswald. That the person who returned from Russia was an agent.

I dont buy any of it, but I always thought that it as in the goverments best interest to have Osald shot rather than hearing his loony views communist or just wacky. I wouldn't be that suprised if the security was a litle laxed when transporting him.

As for 9-11, the only thing I could imagine the goverment have time to do was possibly shooting down the second plane, but it would have probabbly been more catastrophic landing in the middle of the city. Or shooting the one down in PA if they knew many more lives were at risk.

 

[disneylovin24]

I didn't even see where Roswell was brought up.


I just don't believe in Aliens so that means I don't believe in that or Area 51 I guess. I do think that if there was other life that was trying to come down to earth it would not be able to be covered up by the US government. I feel like they would be too high tech (after all, they did make it here) and there would be too many of them for the government to hide without us knowing. I feel like an alien presence would be much more known in this galaxy if they did exsist.

 

[Amii]

Thanks for answering the question directly. I can't even begin to wrap my head around your perspective, but I sincerely appreciate your straight forward answer.
I do share your concern about rights being taken away (although "every right" is a bit extreme, given that we're having this conversation on a public internet board - we certainly wouldn't be getting away with this in China or Soviet Russia!)

I can think of about a zillion easier and less lethal ways for the elite to get richer, so I really can't buy into the theory. Even as you stated, a renewed war on poverty or illiteracy would be a lot easier to pull off (and who knows - might even lessen poverty or illiteracy to boot!)

"Every right" is extreme. I was trying to say every right that has been taken away was taken away to protect us from terrorists. I didn't mean every one of our rights have been taken away. Sorry about that.

There are easier and less lethal ways for the elite to get richer. It isn't only about them getting richer. It is also about taking rights away and Agenda 21. At least that is what I believe.

 

[Cat0727]

Interesting thread. I partially believe in some conspiracy theories but I don't think about them...I'd go crazy if I did.