Congress concerned over MagicBand security issues..

[ChrisFL]

The replies here are incredible.

It seems like most people want to bring up OTHER things that might use your data etc. etc.

Those are irrelevant. WDW is a completely different environment than online marketing.

There are 60,000 employees on WDW property who could potentially have access to a lot of information on this new system that even the KTTW didn't before, due to the nature of the new wristband AND the fact that many CM's will have ipads or ipod touches nearby.

While I'm sure Disney has tried to think of every angle to prevent "tampering"...I can forsee MANY problems.

Among these are:

What are the opt-in and opt-out options with the wrist band and RFID system?

How easily are the wristbands detatched, especially when on thrill/water rides?

If someone loses their wristband, how qucikly/easily is it for the wristband to be disabled (let's say if you don't have a smartphone)?

Is skimming of the RFID data going to be easily done by criminals?

If the guest is supposed to keep their wristband, how quickly does the RFID data get "turned off"?

Will there be extra CM's staffed to answer questions at various locations throughout the parks?

.....

I would LOVE to say that Disney's IT and internet solutions are well thought-out and top notch except for two things. They aren't and they REALLY aren't.

To me, a system like this with so many privacy concerns are just way too much to give me a comfortable feeling about my vacation. The information stored in these wristbands and when they are being accessed is invisbile.

The KTTW cards really could only be used when you pull them out and have them scanned...and for those who have issue with RFID, there's plenty of secure ways to keep them under wraps. Wristbands do not offer that luxury.

SURE, you can choose to opt-out or not wear the wristband for more security, but why isn't Disney more forthcoming about the entire process?

 

[larryz]

Congress wrote a letter to Disney asking for clarification of the MagicBand, what data they intend to collect from children, etc.. because they are "deeply concerned."

http://markey.house.gov/sites/markey.house.gov/files/documents/Letter -- Disney -- 1-24-13.pdf

What a maroon!!!

 

[larryz]

Portable GPS units (such as Garmins) in cars are not capable of tracking you and sending that data in real-time to anyone. I do not know enough about fully-integrated GPSs to say the same about them, however, but I expect the answer is the same.

Portable GPSs can be accessed and downloaded if someone can get physical access to the device.

And, contrary to your assumption about integrated GPSs, with systems like OnStar (tm), your car CAN be tracked and located (and unlocked, stopped, diagnosed, and all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly things). In real time.

 

[Melodious]

My tax information was stolen from the state of SC. Someone out there knows my social security number and what stock I've bought for my dependents. So no, Disney knowing that I like to buy purses and might be in the store for thirty minutes prior to buying one, does not disturb me, I'm too busy worrying about my stupid governor

 

[mesaboy2]

Portable GPSs can be accessed and downloaded if someone can get physical access to the device.

and, in contrary to your assumption about integrated GPSs, with systems like OnStar (tm), your car CAN be tracked and located (and unlocked, stopped, diagnosed, and all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly things). In real time.

Obviously physical access is a different matter.

 

[Naughtilus]

Congress is worried about kids huh?

If only they were worried about the ones victimized by drone attacks.

 

[larryz]

Obviously physical access is a different matter.

Obviously. It's a different matter, altogether.

 

[Sammie]

The replies here are incredible.

It seems like most people want to bring up OTHER things that might use your data etc. etc.

Those are irrelevant. WDW is a completely different environment than online marketing.

There are 60,000 employees on WDW property who could potentially have access to a lot of information on this new system that even the KTTW didn't before, due to the nature of the new wristband AND the fact that many CM's will have ipads or ipod touches nearby.

While I'm sure Disney has tried to think of every angle to prevent "tampering"...I can forsee MANY problems.

Among these are:

What are the opt-in and opt-out options with the wrist band and RFID system?

How easily are the wristbands detatched, especially when on thrill/water rides?

If someone loses their wristband, how qucikly/easily is it for the wristband to be disabled (let's say if you don't have a smartphone)?

Is skimming of the RFID data going to be easily done by criminals?

If the guest is supposed to keep their wristband, how quickly does the RFID data get "turned off"?

Will there be extra CM's staffed to answer questions at various locations throughout the parks?

.....

I would LOVE to say that Disney's IT and internet solutions are well thought-out and top notch except for two things. They aren't and they REALLY aren't.

To me, a system like this with so many privacy concerns are just way too much to give me a comfortable feeling about my vacation. The information stored in these wristbands and when they are being accessed is invisbile.

The KTTW cards really could only be used when you pull them out and have them scanned...and for those who have issue with RFID, there's plenty of secure ways to keep them under wraps. Wristbands do not offer that luxury.

SURE, you can choose to opt-out or not wear the wristband for more security, but why isn't Disney more forthcoming about the entire process?

I can answer some of your concerns. The band is adjustable and water proof, take it off anytime you want.

No vital info is store on the actual band, all that is on the band is a link back to the stored info, which if you have been to Disney before you already have. You don't have to attach a credit card to it, if you don't want charging.

If you lose it you go to the nearest GS and they will handle it. Again there is nothing on there worth stealing anymore than your room key was before now. Do you have a habit of losing things, have you lost your room key before?

But honestly if you believe simply due to the new wristband a new hoard of RFID skimming criminals is going to be hanging out at Disney parks, I would simply just not go.

It is not irrelevant to mention how many other types of system mine data, because basically unless you stay home, pay with cash only, do not use a computer with internet and definitely not a mobile phone, you are vulnerable every single day.

I am as cautious as anyone, but I will not ever believe that Disney is the bogeyman now simply because they want to give me a band to wear instead of a room key card.

 

[Disneyland_emily]

>>There are 60,000 employees on WDW property who could potentially have access to a lot of information on this new system that even the KTTW didn't before, due to the nature of the new wristband AND the fact that many CM's will have ipads or ipod touches nearby.<<

This. Before yes everything was trackable but in different systems/programs (FP= one system, Tickets= one system, Spending= one system) to find out a true 'snapshot' of one individual movements was impractical to stasticially non-probable.. With the new system everything from what time your hotel room door opened to transportation option (and exactly which one) to what you ate (to potentially which restroom you used) will be accessible in ONE program.. Every moment of your day from the moment you stepped on property can (and prob) will be recorded as disney has NOT stated where their limitation of tracking will be used/not used.

I have NO issues with being 'tracked' on the old system because its all non-specific data- I have issues with the new system because I dont need disney to track exactly which bus. which side of the street I walked on...

Just my opinions..

 

[ChrisFL]

I can answer some of your concerns. The band is adjustable and water proof, take it off anytime you want.

No vital info is store on the actual band, all that is on the band is a link back to the stored info, which if you have been to Disney before you already have. You don't have to attach a credit card to it, if you don't want charging.

If you lose it you go to the nearest GS and they will handle it. Again there is nothing on there worth stealing anymore than your room key was before now. Do you have a habit of losing things, have you lost your room key before?

But honestly if you believe simply due to the new wristband a new hoard of RFID skimming criminals is going to be hanging out at Disney parks, I would simply just not go.

It is not irrelevant to mention how many other types of system mine data, because basically unless you stay home, pay with cash only, do not use a computer with internet and definitely not a mobile phone, you are vulnerable every single day.

I am as cautious as anyone, but I will not ever believe that Disney is the bogeyman now simply because they want to give me a band to wear instead of a room key card.

I already answered this in my post. Having a wristband with this much technology is still a LOT different than me having the option to pull a room key card out when I choose to.

Yes, if you lose it you have to go to guest services, which completely messes up your planning....consider how far GS is from, say, American Adventure at Epcot. Meanwhile whoever found it could be charging lots of stuff on YOUR wristband.

Also, the way things are going at WDW, I'm seriously considering not going anymore and visiting the other parks instead...the ones who are actually building new attractions right now and not letting their old ones rot and become unsafe.

 

[Granny square]

If you lose your ticket or room key you would still have to go take time from your schedule if you lose either of them. Why would this be different? Other than the fact that there is one rather than 2 items to potentially lose.

 

[Robo]

..consider how far GS is from, say, American Adventure at Epcot.

Not so far, actually.
There is a Guest Relations at Epcot's International Gateway.

But, your point is correct that there are spots in the various parks that are quite a long way from a Guest Relations.

My "out-of-contact" distance champions would include Planet Watch in DAK,
Big Thunder Mtn. at MK, and at DHS, inside the Fantasmic! theater at the end of the show.

 

[doconeill]

I know people are ripping on Markey, both tongue-in-cheek and not so much, but he is in charge of the committee that deals with these things, and there are very strict rules on information regarding children, so he's trying to get more info on it.

Why he needed to send out a public press release and get everybody's bloomers in a bunch, I don't know. I think it's because he's running for the open Senate seat...

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Why he needed to send out a public press release and get everybody's bloomers in a bunch, I don't know. I think it's because he's running for the open Senate seat...

That's exactly what I said pages ago -- this is politics, not concern for children or he would be ALL OVER other resorts already using this technology explicitly to market to children! Not to mention all the other sites people have mentioned.

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[nooneshome]

all things considered i would rather this moron waste his time on Disney than destroying the country.

 

[Laketravis]

I wonder how many of the gloom and doom black helicopter identiity theft theorists regularly give their credit card to a waiter or waitress who goes out of sight with it for several minutes.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

That's exactly what I said pages ago -- this is politics, not concern for children or he would be ALL OVER other resorts already using this technology explicitly to market to children! Not to mention all the other sites people have mentioned.

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[Disney_Princess83]

I'm glad that someone is attempting to question Disney over this. While I realise you can opt out of the band, it also seems that you will lose perks. I'm not comfortable with Disney knowing my ever single move of ever single moment. There is absolutely no way we will wear this band and we are hoping it doesn't become a "must do" or you lose perks.

 

[ftballfan7]

all things considered i would rather this moron waste his time on Disney than destroying the country.

Markey has done alot of good things. He is definitely not a moron, unlike some other congressmen I could mention but wont.

 

[dadddio]

I would still like to know that my credit info is protected, I would never use a cc with rfid in it, to easy to get at, and exactly who will have the profile they are building of me and my family members.

Your credit card information is not on the band. It is no less secure than it is under the current system. The same goes with your linked family information..