Completely 100% disgusted

[DVC4All]

I did not call because I already had my answer in my opinion. I never done business with anyone on ebay asking for my phone number to discuss concerns/questions over the phone before a bid was even placed. That to me screams they are screening the people asking the questions that they find not to their liking

So you already had your answer.
To me that means you already made up your mind, is that right?

Well, I've bought and sold on eBay and I don't bid on anything of any value without talking to the seller first.
I figure if I can't talk to them before I pay them, I have less of a chance after I pay them.

Is it possible that the person types very slowly and finds it much easier to answer questions on the phone. What was it you asked? Did it require a lengthy answer? Maybe the person has one hand.

Why don't you make the call, I assume you have the phone number.
Wouldn't that be better than having your mind made up?

You may find out that this person is a commercial renter, or you may find out that he is not.

At least you won't have your mind made up without giving the person a chance.

 

[DVC4All]

Actually you really want to know the best part? when I contacted this seller about a simple question regarding some of the details listed in this auction, the only reply was to call him to directly discuss it.

yes I agree, of course I agree with that
I am not attacking any single person

I seems like you were, you even said you contacted this seller.

 

[DVC4All]

bottom line is I am discussing commercial renting. its not allowed.

I agree.

 

[DVC4All]

So you agree that this person may not be a commercial renter, thank you for seeing this possibility.

Then is this person possibly being unfairly attacked,
with talk of reporting to DVC and the tax collector?

yes I agree, of course I agree with that...

Please answer the question;
Is this person possibly being unfairly attacked,
with talk of reporting to DVC and the tax collector?

 

[sjdisneywedding]

So you already had your answer.
To me that means you already made up your mind, is that right?

Well, I've bought and sold on eBay and I don't bid on anything of any value without talking to the seller first.
I figure if I can't talk to them before I pay them, I have less of a chance after I pay them.

Is it possible that the person types very slowly and finds it much easier to answer questions on the phone. What was it you asked? Did it require a lengthy answer? Maybe the person has one hand.

Why don't you make the call, I assume you have the phone number.
Wouldn't that be better than having your mind made up?

You may find out that this person is a commercial renter, or you may find out that he is not.

At least you won't have your mind made up without giving the person a chance.

lol yeah myabe the have only one hand, maybe they 10 wives whats the difference

I had my answer once I received the email
lol

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I seems like you were, you even said you contacted this seller.

nope, I contacted for my own benefit, nothing more. I only brought it up once you started bringing up every speculation in the workd as to why they were not commercial renting

I dont care about this renter in particular or any other enter for that matter. I only care about commercial renting in gerenal

you they one with all these what ifs

 

[DVC4All]

This from DVC member services direct today.
Kind of vague didnt really answer my question.

My question to DVC:Is commercial leaseing of DVC units like this one on EBAY allowed?

Disney Beach Club Timeshare Rental Studio 12/23-12/28
Sold Out Christmas Dates SAVE $$$ Also have 11/12-11/16 Item number:
130160676675

There answer:
Thank you for the information regarding the selling of vacation points.


In the Vacation Magic / July 2006 appeared the following:


Policies to protect personal use and enjoyment

In a continuing effort to maximize Members personal enjoyment of their
Membership, Disney Vacation Club would like to remind Members about
several related policies outlined in the Public Offering Statement and
other Member documents.

As a reminder, published policies limit the use of accommodations and
recreational facilities solely to the personal use and enjoyment of
Owners, Guests, exchangers and invitees and for recreational uses by
corporations and other entities owning Ownership Interests in a Unit.

To maximize the availability of reservations for these permitted
purposes, Disney Vacation Club closely monitors reservations and may
cancel reserved accommodations if a pattern of rental activity for
profit is discovered.

--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
---

Disney Vacation Club has always maintained that Club Members are
expressly prohibited from receiving compensation for the rental of
accommodations under their Membership or engaging in any Transfer
activity for profit. You may refer to your Public Offering Statement to review these policies or consult with Quality Assurance at (800)
782-6767 to review how the product was represented at the time of your
purchase.


Again thank you for the information and this will be forwarded to the
appropriate department. Your name will not be disclosed.





Seems like the same spin our politicians use, an answer with no direct answer.

Maybe someone else can figure out what they reponded to me with?????

I am surprised by their answer for a number of reasons.

First, they say, " Thank you for the information regarding the selling of vacation points."
This is a listing for a DVC rental and not the sale of vacation points.

Second, they say,"As a reminder, published policies limit the use of accommodations and recreational facilities solely to the personal use and enjoyment of Owners, Guests, exchangers and invitees and for recreational uses by corporations and other entities owning Ownership Interests in a Unit."
I will quote from Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort Public Offering Statement.
Exhibit 2.
Section 12 Use Restrictions
Sub-Section 12.1 Personal Use
"...Use of the accommodations and recreational facilities of the Condominium is limited soley to the personal use of Owners, their lessees, guests, exchangers and invitees and for recreational uses by corporations and other entities owning Ownership Interests in a Unit."

I added the bold above.

Can you please check your source and see if you made the error of omitting "lessees" or it was omited in the July 2006 issue of Disney Magic; I looked foir the issue but couldn't find it.

Third, they say," Disney Vacation Club has always maintained that Club Members are expressly prohibited from receiving compensation for the rental of accommodations under their Membership..."
Renting our unit has alway been allowed, just not commercially.

 

[DVC4All]

lol yeah myabe the have only one hand, maybe they 10 wives whats the difference

I had my answer once I received the email
lol

So you agree that this person may not be a commercial renter, thank you for seeing this possibility.

Then is this person possibly being unfairly attacked,
with talk of reporting to DVC and the tax collector?

yes I agree, of course I agree with that...

You still haven't answered the question.
Is this person possibly being unfairly attacked,
with talk of reporting to DVC and the tax collector?

 

[DVC4All]

nope, I contacted for my own benefit...

What benefit was that?
Why did you contact this person?

 

[PoohsGang]

I have never had a problem getting anything at the 11 month window.
Have You?
Has anyone here?
Can you give me any examples?

If I wanted a Grand Villa at the BW for Christmas week I'd call day by day exactly 11 months out at 9AM EST.





I'll bet more points are rented on these boards than on eBay. As far as "for a profit" goes, I don't think the price is an issue; and neither does DVC by the way. Of course, I believe DVC understands that how much an individual rents their timeshare for has no bearing on whether or not a person is a commercial renter; indeed, when DVC sent out the letters to possible commercial renters not a word about price or price per point was in there.






As for renting the majority of 2000 points, if an owner has 2000 and is in the same position as akk,
their only option to selling, giving away points, giving away vacations, and letting their points expire is renting them.
I don't have a problem with that and neither does DVC.

Do you?
If you do, why do you?





I am looking at what was 5 auctions:
1 was the sale of the contract and it has ended, leaving 4;
1, as you have said, does not include a holiday leaving 3;
3 are for prime weeks.






Perhaps there is more than just the two reasons that you mention: I do not agree with some of the opinions here; I think this thread needed my voice; I am having fun!
I gave you 3 possible other reasons.

So maybe I wasn't really tired and I am not fired up at all.





So you agree that this person may not be a commercial renter, thank you for seeing this possibility.

Then is this person possibly being unfairly attacked,
with talk of reporting to DVC and the tax collector?

I believe we reap what we sow.
There is talk of reporting this person to DVC and the tax collector, actions that can hurt this person without knowing anything about their circumstances. Are they commercial renters? Did they lose their job? Are they terminally ill? Is a member of their family ill? If someone feels so strongly about this why not email the renter and talk to them before condemning and attacking them verbally and reporting them.

I wonder if they would let their spouses and children know they have reported this person and also let them read this; I doubt it.





So if you wanted answers why didn't you call him?

Does the fact that this seller preferred to talk on the phone rather than communicate through email make him a bad guy?
Is that really the "best part"?

I dont really care bad guy good guy......I reported him to DVC and Ebay, I paid my money for DVC (My time in my resort) and no one will take that from me, there are rules, if he violated them , perhaps he will be dealt with, if he didnt violate the rules he's fine. Again I'll do whatever it takes to make my DVC investment work for me, even if it means reporting people, the way I look at it is if they say he cant rent those date that opens those dates up for us. You can provide every example in the world but the bottom line is I'll do whats best for MY investment/enjoyment at DisneyWorld, I pay my yearly dues like everyone else, but I'll be dammed if a non member is going to bump me from getting the dates I want, I don't care what they pay. There are rules, me reporting The Ebayer hopefully (although there answer was vague) will answer the question, Is he in violation of said rules or not? Only time will tell.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Please answer the question;
Is this person possibly being unfairly attacked,
with talk of reporting to DVC and the tax collector?

I didnt go there with that, but in all honesty if they are not commercial renters then there should not be a problem

unfairly? I guess maybe, but anyone renting right now has to understand that its a hot topic among members and DVC itself. Its going to be looked at, but it doesnt mean they are going to have to suffer undue consequences.

Thats only going to happen if they are breaking the rules

 

[PoohsGang]

I am surprised by their answer for a number of reasons.

First, they say, " Thank you for the information regarding the selling of vacation points."
This is a listing for a DVC rental and not the sale of vacation points.

Second, they say,"As a reminder, published policies limit the use of accommodations and recreational facilities solely to the personal use and enjoyment of Owners, Guests, exchangers and invitees and for recreational uses by corporations and other entities owning Ownership Interests in a Unit."
I will quote from Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort Public Offering Statement.
Exhibit 2.
Section 12 Use Restrictions
Sub-Section 12.1 Personal Use
"...Use of the accommodations and recreational facilities of the Condominium is limited soley to the personal use of Owners, their lessees, guests, exchangers and invitees and for recreational uses by corporations and other entities owning Ownership Interests in a Unit."

I added the bold above.

Can you please check your source and see if you made the error of omitting "lessees" or it was omited in the July 2006 issue of Disney Magic; I looked foir the issue but couldn't find it.

Third, they say," Disney Vacation Club has always maintained that Club Members are expressly prohibited from receiving compensation for the rental of accommodations under their Membership..."
Renting our unit has alway been allowed, just not commercially.

Like I said before its the same kind of answer you would expect from a politician, ( Does Our President come to mind, I'm sorry off topic maybe topolitical, really using him as an example) an answer with no direct answer/equation to the question that was aske, I was thinking a simple yes thats a violation or no its not would have been better than all the junk they sent back to me as an answer..

 

[sjdisneywedding]

What benefit was that?
Why did you contact this person?

I dont think that is relevant to the conversation,
the only thing thats important here is the reply

 

[DVC4All]

I dont really care bad guy good guy......I reported him to DVC and Ebay...the bottom line is I'll do whats best for MY investment/enjoyment

I think in DVC it is OK to do what's best for members' enjoyment, as long as it is not at the expense of other members.

Even though this person may not be a commercial renter, you can hurt them.

 

[PoohsGang]

You still haven't answered the question.
Is this person possibly being unfairly attacked,
with talk of reporting to DVC and the tax collector?

If he has done nothing wrong we shouldnt worry. Unfairly attacked I dont think so when I reported him it was fair as I asked the DVC a question as to what he was doing legal or not. (violating terms of the DVC membership)

 

[DVC4All]

What benefit was that?
Why did you contact this person?

I dont think that is relevant to the conversation,
the only thing thats important here is the reply

I think it's important.
Why don't you want to answer.
Let everyone here decide it's relevancy.

 

[DVC4All]

If he has done nothing wrong we shouldnt worry. Unfairly attacked I dont think so when I reported him it was fair as I asked the DVC a question as to what he was doing legal or not. (violating terms of the DVC membership)

I disagree.
You asked a question which had a presupposition in it.

...My question to DVC:Is commercial leaseing of DVC units like this one on EBAY allowed?

You presuppose that "this one on EBAY" is commercial leasing.
You are asking if commercail renting, like this (commercial)one on EBAY is allowed.
Politicians use these types of questions with presuppositions in them to get us to think a certain way.

 

[PoohsGang]

I think it's important.
Why don't you want to answer.
Let everyone here decide it's relevancy.

I contacted him also he only wants to respond by telephone, he wants your number. I contacted him to ask him if he is a DVC member or if he has DVC members who's points he sells for profit, that is the email I sent him he responded with "give me your number and I'll call you", he also wants your personal email (so Ebay cant track his emails I'm sure) which I did, he hasn't called , if he does I'll post his response. I'm not a betting man but may want to wager thet he never calls me...........

 

[PoohsGang]

I disagree.
You asked a question which had a presupposition in it.

You presuppose that "this one on EBAY" is commercial leasing.
You are asking if commercail renting, like this (commercial)one on EBAY is allowed.
Politicians use these types of questions with presuppositions in them to get us to think a certain way.

Disgree all you want I don't need you to agree with me, I didnt ask for you to agree with me. I asked the question to DVC not for you or for your benifit, strictly for my benifit. The answer they sent me I posted, for people to read and see what type of response I got. I didnt contact DVC wondering or caring about what you think. To be honset I could care less what you think, I posted DVC member services response, but I'm glad it gives you something to analyze. Again the question I asked was for DVC to analyze/check on, if you feel better analyzing it go ahead, I could care less. You have your presupposed answer that I'm sure you are entitled to. Im sure you'll have some type of presupposed response for us all to enjoy.

 

[I'mNoPrince]

I contacted him also he only wants to respond by telephone, he wants your number. I contacted him to ask him if he is a DVC member or if he has DVC members who's points he sells for profit, that is the email I sent him he responded with "give me your number and I'll call you", he also wants your personal email (so Ebay cant track his emails I'm sure) which I did, he hasn't called , if he does I'll post his response. I'm not a betting man but may want to wager thet he never calls me...........

Why would he , He's reading and maybe even posting on this thread . I wouldn't call you either .


As for reporting Him. So what I would do the same thing if someone was breaking the law IRL as well if it effected me or my Family in any way.