Commerical Use Policy Update - New Thread!

[Brianstl]

Yeah-- that's an incredible find. If Disney cracked down only on rentals with borrowed/transferred points it would dramatically improve the system since renters are usually trying to pull points forward to maximize profit, I guess banked helps too, as they also are buying cheap distressed points to load into existing reservations so they can bank their own points for future rental use...but I also think renting banked points is more often going to penalize a legit owner who tried to bank points to travel for their own personal use.

However, if they are worried about the people talking about material restriction to their right to maximize profit (despite original POS talking about personal use and no commercial use), this would be a better way to go. It's in the POS in black and white, so it could circumvent a lot of the saber-rattling over the FL law everyone likes to talk about.

Yes, I don’t want see a regular member who doesn’t rent out points regularly get screwed because life happened two years in a row and they were unable to use their banked points.

 

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Yes, I don’t want see a regular member who doesn’t rent out points regularly get screwed because life happened two years in a row and they were unable to use their banked points.

I think this is also where "occasional" comes in. " life happens" should be an occasional thing.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Yeah-- that's an incredible find. If Disney cracked down only on rentals with borrowed/transferred points it would dramatically improve the system since renters are usually trying to pull points forward to maximize profit, I guess banked helps too, as they also are buying cheap distressed points to load into existing reservations so they can bank their own points for future rental use...but I also think renting banked points is more often going to penalize a legit owner who tried to bank points to travel for their own personal use.

However, if they are worried about the people talking about material restriction to their right to maximize profit (despite original POS talking about personal use and no commercial use), this would be a better way to go. It's in the POS in black and white, so it could circumvent a lot of the saber-rattling over the FL law everyone likes to talk about.

But isn’t sort of moot? Meaning any reservation not in the name of the owner is not necessarily a rental. I could send my daughter, neighbor, coworker or I could be renting to a totally stranger.

The rules states that Disney can in their reasonable discretion (or something like that) determine what constitutes commercial renting. But can they also determine when a reservation is a rental?

I don’t think we have seen any wording defining what makes a reservation a rental?

I think we can all agree that a rental is when money exchange hands - but again how would Disney know? As long as they are not enforcing the rules that states members need to inform member services about any rentals I’m not seeing how Disney could enforce a policy about not using banked or borrowed points for rentals.

 

[Girlstar30]

I am BW over BC but I did just stay a week at BC and to be honest the BW activity is available to anyone but the SAB pool is not so I see why BC has the premium. It is a much shorter walk to Epcot so that is also a win, depending on where your room is at BW you can have a significantly longer walk.

That being said- the quick service food at BC is lacking ( school cafeteria quality), I don't like the other restaurants at BC so other than now when they have 40% off I would go over to Flying Fish or even the BW deli regardless of where I was staying.

One other BC issue is the hot tub by BC is full all day, lots of older guests who don't leave the pool all day. I like Riviera since the quiet pool seems much less crowded. Of course SAB was closed so that did not help the pool crowds.

Yes the food was a main reason to we wanted to check out Cake Bake and Flying Fish so we were like we mine as we stay there!

 

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I’m not seeing how Disney could enforce a policy about not using banked or borrowed points for rentals.

They could, but it would have many "civilian casualties" I think this is what @Sandisw was reporting from the meeting on how they did not want unintended consequences from enforcement.

A "this is a rental" checkbox and requiring you to upload a scan of the rental contract would go a long way.

 

[Girlstar30]

I was rereading the POS today and found this interesting nugget I can't believe I didn't notice before and I don't think has been mentioned anywhere in these discussions.




The same goes for borrowed points and transferred points.

Whoa this is huge and definitely not something ive heard discussed before. I will continue reading the thread before commenting further

 

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Yes the food was a main reason to we wanted to check out Cake Bake and Flying Fish so we were like we mine as we stay there!

The house margarita is great at flying fish

 

[Girlstar30]

What the.... not cool DVC.

Disclaimer: (yes I am aware I agreed to the POS when buying)

How is it legal

 

[Cyberc1978]

They could, but it would have many "civilian casualties" I think this is what @Sandisw was reporting from the meeting on how they did not want unintended consequences from enforcement.

A "this is a rental" checkbox and requiring you to upload a scan of the rental contract would go a long way.

That’s true - if they did they would catch a lot also the unintended cases.

But even with a “is this a rental” checkbox if an owner don’t check it and rent anyway, it’s against policy but again how would Disney know?

What I mean is unless Disney follows up, a rental checkbox is useless.

 

[Girlstar30]

Or the conversation in another thread about if it is smart to strip an extra contact you plan on selling by renting all possible points out and even resale brokers offering to do it for sellers.

Did you read this from a newer resorts rules, riv and after?

 

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But even with a “is this a rental” checkbox if an owner don’t check it and rent anyway, it’s against policy but again how would Disney know?

Because they would only need to prove one instance of renting without checking the box and your cooked.

A similar checkbox could be asked on check in if the Primary guests did not match the owner.

 

[Brianstl]

Did you read this from a newer resorts rules, riv and after?

OKW

 

[Tatebeck]

So definitely not a new resort

 

[Brianstl]

Because they would only need to prove one instance of renting without checking the box and your cooked.

A similar checkbox could be asked on check in if the Primary guests did not match the owner.

Just ask guests to complete a form when they check in if it is a rental or not. Most guest would never think about lying and if the renter is instructing people to lie they will scare away most of their potential customers. That means less demand and smaller or no profit.

 

[Tatebeck]

I would pair a crack down of the rules with an expansion of the DVC insurance option. I think right now it gives you back the cost of dues on expiring points for a fee.

I would add an option that would make an exception to the banking rules that lets you bank points each time you have to cancel reservation outside of your banking window (and allow it to bank already banked points for a period as well)

This would be an extra option for members who truly can't use their points for a year (or a few) without losing all your points or having to rent out your banked or borrowed points. And still allowing to rent out the current year if needed

 

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Just ask guests to complete a form when they check in if it is a rental or not. Most guest would never think about lying and if the renter is instructing people to lie they will scare away most of their potential customers. That means less demand and smaller or no profit.

This is what could be done, I would not lie on the check in ,and I would not have to if the renter followed the rules and checked the box on their side and uploaded the contract.

DVC could let the Rental sites know that they should not be listing any reservation without the rental box checked...

Yes some will scam around the rules but then DVC can use the pattern of rentals lacking the owners name on the reservation and ask them for proof they were compliant per existing rules.

 

[Chuck S]

På

maybe I’m missing something but what’s the interesting part?

Seems to refer to banking of vacation points and that’s it?

That policy has officially changed. Banked and Borrowed Points may now be transferred, it is a very recent change.

 

[VGCgroupie]

That policy has officially changed. Banked and Borrowed Points may now be transferred, it is a very recent change.

They didnt update the terms about renting them though that I am aware of

 

[Judique]

The only meal I ever complained about at WDW ( and got a refund for the entree) was at Il Mulino, the veal was as dry as beef jerky. They wanted to comp the meal but the rest of it was great so I told him I would appreciate consideration on the entree. I want to try Rosa's . Other than that I even like blue zoo for the attempts at " something different" in the menu. I had a great skirt steak with egg and more of a hoisin sauce once that was very interesting.

I like the BW deli more than any other quick service in the area ( except RIV) but it can be inconsistent. The reuben sandwich is good but heavy in the summer.

I frequently did S/D when I was traveling lots for work and I would get at least one free week per year from Marriott points. Back then they did not even charge the resort fee or tax if you were on points. Soon we got the resort fee, then they upped the points when caps were removed so it went from 35k a night to 65k a night so that is when I looked at DVC.

I remember thinking I could buy 100 resale Boardwalk and stay a week , and I would never need more points.....

Rosa's is fairly local to me so we've had it delivered a few times here. It's been years since I've eaten at Bluezoo, but we've had good meals there. I like Il Mulino's rice ball appetizer. I don't eat a lot of meat.

Rosa's breakfast is what I haven't had but almost made it on the last visit. We signed in and then one of us changed their mind so we let them know and left. I don't even remember where we eventually ate.

My oldest Amex card is an SPG from 2001, now a Bonvoy card. Many, many Westin's in my past. Paid for my son and dil's honeymoon stay on Maui with Marriott points. Still have points and occasionally throw in a night or two at either Swan or Swan Reserve. There was a class action over that resort fee and I remember getting some concession because of it.

 

[MyDogTink]

True, the only way they would know is if you had to give DVC the rental contract.

Do you think we get to the point where they ask if it’s a rental and if so for a copy of the contract?