Commerical Use Policy Update - New Thread!

[Cyberc1978]

I have looked more into the pricing on the rentals, BWV SV in particular. The general consensus for the rental brokers is to charge somewhere between $35 - $45 pp.

A studio SV costs point wise 78 points for a week in early May. That would effectively put the cost to $2,730 - $3,510.

A preferred view is 107 points for a week. Often private renters are renting those room at a cost less than $25 pp or $2,675 for the week - during 7 months window that is.

Why on gods green earth would anyone pay that much? When you could get a preferred view for much less.

I haven’t checked but I assume that not even Disney have prices that high or even if they do - they are Disney and provide you daily mousekeeping and the option to cancel and refund.

 

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I have looked more into the pricing on the rentals, BWV SV in particular. The general consensus for the rental brokers is to charge somewhere between $35 - $45 pp.

A studio SV costs point wise 78 points for a week in early May. That would effectively put the cost to $2,730 - $3,510.

A preferred view is 107 points for a week. Often private renters are renting those room at a cost less than $25 pp or $2,675 for the week - during 7 months window that is.

Why on gods green earth would anyone pay that much? When you could get a preferred view for much less.

I haven’t checked but I assume that not even Disney have prices that high or even if they do - they are Disney and provide you daily mousekeeping and the option to cancel and refund.

The AK value rooms are listed this summer for more than just getting a cash RV studio with an AP discount. I know nothing about which is better.

For BW I would usually prefer RV even if it was the same points as looking at a pool is worse to me than the PC view. Similar to RIV where to me the PV is worse.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I tend to agree with @lowlight — is it the best use of our time and energy to argue with the same people over and over? Maybe not— but the problem has definitely gotten worse over the past few years and I think it will continue to snowball with more people discovering how profitable it is to rent certain room categories and certain times of year (that are also desirable for owners) unless Disney decides to take action, and it doesn’t appear they are going to do much more than they need to to keep the membership copacetic.

Copacetic. I love that word. Always reminds me of this song.

 

[mkatsy]

The crazy thing is how much one company is able to direct the conversation about everything DVC. They directly influence 90% of the the most popular podcasts/youtube shows either through directly running them through one of their multiple divisions or by financing them through advertisement.

I will never forget how a huge DVC show changed when they took over as the advertiser before they flat out bought it. Went from a really balanced discussion about the pros and cons of everything DVC to a complete shilling show for resale DVC.

They really have a control over the conversation of all things SVC in ways we don’t realize if we aren’t paying attention.

Think about the business model … lend people money with no credit check at a high interest rate, wait to pick up contracts that foreclose at auction, mark the contract back up to the prices you help control, and resell it. Lather, rinse, repeat … that’s control.

 

[mkatsy]

I could really go tinfoil hat, and say the deluxe hotel room rack rates are falsely inflated to sell more DVC.

Who in their right mind is paying over $900 a night for a Riviera studio?

Pipe down over there I NEED those grossly overinflated rack rates to show my husband a cost savings on these DVC points. Hate the player, not the game.

 

[Brian Noble]

Many other timeshare systems do not have as much demand for studios as Disney does.

Some barely have studios at all. The smallest unit at most Wyndhams is a 1BR---the in-city locations being the biggest exception. Even Canterbury in San Francisco has plenty of 1BR units. They are "cozy" and only have kitchenettes, but still.

I haven’t checked

My Brother in Christ, this is the Internet. It takes all of 30 seconds to find that Disney will charge you just south of $5500 for a week in a Resort View studio at BWV in the first week of May in the Year of our Lord 2026. Figure you can get a 30%-ish discount on that, which brings it down to $3,850. If they are actually discounted and not fully booked (they often are, but often are).

And yes, people pay these rates. Hotel prices generally have gone through the roof the last few years in tourist destinations.

 

[muppets3d]

Some barely have studios at all. The smallest unit at most Wyndhams is a 1BR---the in-city locations being the biggest exception. Even Canterbury in San Francisco has plenty of 1BR units. They are "cozy" and only have kitchenettes, but still.


My Brother in Christ, this is the Internet. It takes all of 30 seconds to find that Disney will charge you just south of $5500 for a week in a Resort View studio at BWV in the first week of May in the Year of our Lord 2026. Figure you can get a 30%-ish discount on that, which brings it down to $3,850. If they are actually discounted and not fully booked (they often are, but often are).

And yes, people pay these rates. Hotel prices generally have gone through the roof the last few years in tourist destinations.

Yeah my in laws own a different timeshare system and pretty much the only resorts that even offer studios are the ones in city center.

 

[juliebee]

I could really go tinfoil hat, and say the deluxe hotel room rack rates are falsely inflated to sell more DVC.

Who in their right mind is paying over $900 a night for a Riviera studio?

I found your hat

 

[Girlstar30]

Sorry if this has been answered I dont have time to read the whole thread, but can you have 20 reservations PER MEMBERSHIP or is it 20 reservations per owner in a 12 month period? Even i may be getting close to 20 with all the split stays across 3 memberships

 

[zavandor]

Sorry if this has been answered I dont have time to read the whole thread, but can you have 20 reservations PER MEMBERSHIP or is it 20 reservations per owner in a 12 month period? Even i may be getting close to 20 with all the split stays across 3 memberships

It used to be "per membership" and it was updated to "per owner" in 2011 but not really enforced. Now, DVC has stated they're going to enforce it more thightly.

 

[Girlstar30]

It used to be "per membership" and it was updated to "per owner" in 2011 but not really enforced. Now, DVC has stated they're going to enforce it more thightly.

Oh wow I have 19 reservations, they're all under my name except one, so im in the clear but pretty crazy that I could potentially be flagged and I want one more contract soon

 

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Oh wow I have 19 reservations, they're all under my name except one, so im in the clear but pretty crazy that I could potentially be flagged and I want one more contract soon

It’s actually worse than per owner. It’s all the contracts you own plus any that you’re an affiliate on. Which could affect people who give contracts to kids.

 

[muppets3d]

It’s actually worse than per owner. It’s all the contracts you own plus any that you’re an affiliate on. Which could affect people who give contracts to kids.

It's not going to affect them unless they rent their points for profit

 

[ocdb8r1]

Just want to start by saying I appreciate the variety of posts and opinions in this (and the previous) thread. I know it can be frustrating to watch threads devolve into the same "muck" repeatedly, but like everything in life, pulling out the small gems takes work but is rewarding. I particularly appreciate the "contrary" views, whether I agree with them or not. It's important (for me) to have my own views checked/challenged, particularly when people take the time to explain the logic of their position....

I tend to agree with @lowlight — is it the best use of our time and energy to argue with the same people over and over? Maybe not— but the problem has definitely gotten worse over the past few years and I think it will continue to snowball with more people discovering how profitable it is to rent certain room categories and certain times of year (that are also desirable for owners) unless Disney decides to take action, and it doesn’t appear they are going to do much more than they need to to keep the membership copacetic.

Bolding above by me...and here's my view - DVC has very little incentive to do anything else. The reality is this whole behavior CREATES demand for points, which inflates the direct purchase price DVC can charge and allows them to justify building more DVC resorts. If DVC really tightened the screws on rentals as much as they could, we'd see more massive dumps of contracts onto the resale market (like we saw with AUL in the past year), which would eventually depress resale pricing...putting further pressure on direct pricing. The only rational thing for DVC to do is "just enough" to placate wider membership dissatisfaction.

 

[tom1944]

It’s actually worse than per owner. It’s all the contracts you own plus any that you’re an affiliate on. Which could affect people who give contracts to kids.

I wonder how many contracts are owned by individuals or several individuals and how many are owned by corporate entities like LLCs. If these corporate type entities were prohibited would that somehow limit the rental companies and is there really a downside for most purchasers who just purchase as John and Mary Smith.

 

[muppets3d]

Just want to start by saying I appreciate the variety of posts and opinions in this (and the previous) thread. I know it can be frustrating to watch threads devolve into the same "muck" repeatedly, but like everything in life, pulling out the small gems takes work but is rewarding. I particularly appreciate the "contrary" views, whether I agree with them or not. It's important (for me) to have my own views checked/challenged, particularly when people take the time to explain the logic of their position....


Bolding above by me...and here's my view - DVC has very little incentive to do anything else. The reality is this whole behavior CREATES demand for points, which inflates the direct purchase price DVC can charge and allows them to justify building more DVC resorts. If DVC really tightened the screws on rentals as much as they could, we'd see more massive dumps of contracts onto the resale market (like we saw with AUL in the past year), which would eventually depress resale pricing...putting further pressure on direct pricing. The only rational thing for DVC to do is "just enough" to placate wider membership dissatisfaction.

But commercial renting is really small and limited (at least, according to DVC) so the number of contracts "dumped" shouldn't crash resale pricing, should it?

 

[TCRAIG]

But commercial renting is really small and limited (at least, according to DVC) so the number of contracts "dumped" shouldn't crash resale pricing, should it?

I always wondered if the big time commercial renters had a lot of very large point contracts (400 points or more per)…which in turn might not have much impact on the resale market if they need to dump them because of a more limited group of buyers looking to buy large point contracts for personal use…the price may be small but the dues may not be an expense that the average buyer is looking to take on…
Using AK as an example - if the standard resale price for a 200 point contract is $100 and someone is selling a 500 point contract for $50 - I don’t think the big/cheap contract will cause the standard size contract resale price to crash…but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens…

 

[muppets3d]

I always wondered if the big time commercial renters had a lot of very large point contracts (400 points or more per)…which in turn might not have much impact on the resale market if they need to dump them because of a more limited group of buyers looking to buy large point contracts for personal use…the price may be small but the dues may not be an expense that the average buyer is looking to take on…
Using AK as an example - if the standard resale price for a 200 point contract is $100 and someone is selling a 500 point contract for $50 - I don’t think the big/cheap contract will cause the standard size contract resale price to crash…but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens…

I rather suspect that most of the contracts owned by the big renters are just normal sized contracts that they bought from normal sellers over time. It's possible they bought bigger contracts because the per-point cost is often lower, but who knows.

 

[mkatsy]

I always wondered if the big time commercial renters had a lot of very large point contracts (400 points or more per)…which in turn might not have much impact on the resale market if they need to dump them because of a more limited group of buyers looking to buy large point contracts for personal use…the price may be small but the dues may not be an expense that the average buyer is looking to take on…
Using AK as an example - if the standard resale price for a 200 point contract is $100 and someone is selling a 500 point contract for $50 - I don’t think the big/cheap contract will cause the standard size contract resale price to crash…but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens…

It’s impossible to know what they hold in inventory, but what they pick up at auction and from private sales is public record. Looking back to January of this year (I had to pick an arbitrary starting point, and that seemed as good as any) all I see are small contracts nothing over 200 points. I did see one large point contract (600) and the seller got clobbered on the price maybe they couldn’t find a private buyer and just cashed out with the broker.

 

[mkatsy]

Unless something drastically changes in the Disney IT department, I think we need to lower our expectations on getting a solution to the bot situation. Yesterday was a run Disney sale date, and people are furious. The software was not holding the selected race in the cart, by the time people finished entering their payment and emergency contact info, their selection was sold out. that is a basic IT function. Today a major hotel discount dropped for the holiday season and it crashed the server, people (including the TA) are furious. Anticipating server load is a basic IT function. stopping bots can require a more complex solution … I’m not holding my breath.