Come on, Disney! Step it up already.

All this talk of Soarin' being from California really got me thinking that they SHOULD change the movie into something else. Hopefully they will make it 3D and make something really cool. I don't care if they keep the same simulation/motion/movement but just change the movie and make it a step up from DCA's Soarin'. How awesome for that to be 3D in your face!

A rumor of a new movie for Soarin has been around for years now,there's even been people who've created their own videos of different scenes as if you were flying over Florida using the Soarin music.Florida does not have as spectacular scenery as does California so maybe in whatever new movie they create a trip around the world may be better suited.
 
Disney became comfortable, then they fell into complacency.

Universal is still hungry.

We took our first sidetrip to US/IOA on our last visit to Disney. The Universal complex, hands down beat the comparable elements at Disney. The dining was better, the hotel was better (and not just in level of amenities, but in service, cleanliness, and ROI), and the parks was better. People seemed to be having a good time at the Universal parks. The underlying vibe was a much more concentrated effort by the Universal folks to make the visit a good one for the customers.

Disney needs to refocus on why they exist. Concentrate on what visitors want and expect to see and experience (other than 5 year old girls in princess dresses.....there can be that of course.....but they also need to concentrate on a wider customer base). Re-dedicate their drive to what Walt intended when he built Disneyland (and subsequently WDW).

They have almost entirely lost sight of the founding principles. And with that loss of sight.....the parks have suffered; the hotels have become stale and crusty; and the dining even, has become "Meh."

We love Disney and go to wdw every year fora while now....I can definitely say food has gone downhill and cleanliness at some resorts is awful....but Disney magic still exists and we love going here.....

We went to universal in dec 2011....it was different and fun....all my kids even my teens said they liked disney better! I was shocked because I thought they would like all the rides more....WWHP is awesome! Some of the best theming I have ever seen....we will go back after the expansion but just not every year like we do Disney....I did like their downtown area...totally different vibe than downtown Disney....
 
If Disney would go ahead and create the Star Wars universe that everyone of us wants they could big time take a huge leap ahead.

I mean can you imagine!? Having lunch in the Cantina? Just having Storm Troopers and various aliens randomly walking around would be so awesome. There are so many possibilities with this that I can't believe they will not jump at the chance.

The small section they have now is great and it's not even a fraction of what can be done.

By the way I really think all this Avatar stuff is taking away precious time and resources from what people actually and really want. Star Wars.

AMEN! Really who cares about avatar land? I thought a nice coaster based on the big dragon from sleeping beauty would have been better...

Avatar....yawn!
 
I want to bring up another option... Disneyland! We now prefer DL over WDW. No need for 180 day ADRs or frantic FP runs. Toy Story doesn't even have FP and the wait rarely gets above 45 minutes! Everything is so close... California Adventure and Disneyland are so close together. The distance is comparable to Future World and World Showcase. No buses, everything is right there! We love to park hop multiple times a day. Walking to the Grand California for lunch or Downtown Disney. There is plenty to do.to make a multiple day exclusive Disney vacation, or take in the many southern Californian sites.

I totally agree with everything you said. We have been to DL the last 7 summers and are hooked. We have now been to both DL and WDW an equal amount of times. WDW just seems like so much more work! DL feels like a vacation. We take our time and don't stress. Also, if this new fastpass plus thing is rolled out exclusively for on-property guests, I'm not sure if we will ever make it back to WDW. We always stay at the Swan and I assume fastpass plus will not be available for Swan guests.

So, once fastpass plus takes effect we may be exclusively DL and Universal. I'm ok with that.
 

I am anxious to see what Disney does in the next 5 years.

Going to Islands of Adventure for the first time last year, it made me almost sad that the Forbidden Journey was hands down the best attraction I have ever experienced from queue to ride, but it wasn't in Disney. I kept thinking to myself, why can't Disney just build something like this?! I know they have the minds/funds/ability!! I just feel like technologically/creatively speaking, they are a bit behind the 8 ball these days. Come on Disney! Blow our minds!


Whats funny is Forbidden Journey wasnt even built for Harry Potter it was already there named Duelling Dragons =) It is one of the best coasters I have ridden.

I love IOA and wouldnt go to Orlando without going-we buy the 2 park pass to ride the couple at Universal that are good (rock it rip it for one)

Disney has been the yardstick by which all other parks are measured for so long that I think they feel its theres so they have been reducing value and not paying attention to what the other guys are doing.

In saying that they have the characters hands down-I almost laughed at the character breakfast at Universal....
 
Forgot to say that when we went to Universal/IOA in '08 we were stopped on our way out and asked a bunch of questions with the 3 answer choices being were they as good as disney, the same as disney or worse than disney
 
Whats funny is Forbidden Journey wasnt even built for Harry Potter it was already there named Duelling Dragons =) It is one of the best coasters I have ridden.

I love IOA and wouldnt go to Orlando without going-we buy the 2 park pass to ride the couple at Universal that are good (rock it rip it for one)

Disney has been the yardstick by which all other parks are measured for so long that I think they feel its theres so they have been reducing value and not paying attention to what the other guys are doing.

In saying that they have the characters hands down-I almost laughed at the character breakfast at Universal....

Forbidden Journey is actually the main Potter ride inside the castle where you ride in robotic arms through different scenes.Dragon Challenge is the current name of the inverted coaster that was called Dueling Dragons.I think the coaster is still excellent but it's actually not as good as it used to be before Potter for two reasons.One is Potter killed the theming,it used to have these two awesome dragon statues outside the entrance which were removed and given a boring entrance themed to Potter,inside as well some of the previous theming was removed making it a duller queue,still one of the longest queues in the world just not as good as it used to be.the Second reason is the coasters don't duel anymore which was the most amazing thing ever,the coasters used to leave the station together and drop at the same time and about 5 times in the ride would come with a foot or two of the other train.This stopped because of two incidents were people were injured because some idiots apparently were dropping or throwing stuff from one train in the flyby areas hitting people in the other train.It used to be one of the most amazing rides,now it's just a good ride.
 
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I will admit to not reading this thread, but I wanted to point out that there is no way Christopher Tolkien will allow this. Although Disney would be even less likely to get those rights than Universal, because J. R. R. did not like the Disney company.

But he allowed breakfast at Denny's? What a joke that was....:rotfl2:
 
Whats funny is Forbidden Journey wasnt even built for Harry Potter it was already there named Duelling Dragons =) It is one of the best coasters I have ridden.

I love IOA and wouldnt go to Orlando without going-we buy the 2 park pass to ride the couple at Universal that are good (rock it rip it for one)

Disney has been the yardstick by which all other parks are measured for so long that I think they feel its theres so they have been reducing value and not paying attention to what the other guys are doing.

In saying that they have the characters hands down-I almost laughed at the character breakfast at Universal....

Sorry, you're wrong. The Dueling Dragons ride-Fire and Ice- has been renamed Dragon Challenge. The Forbidden Journey is an innovative attraction that was built just for the Wizarding World of Harry Potter area at Universal's Islands Of Adventure. They're building an addition to HP at Universal Studios next door which we're looking forward to seeing in a year or two.
 
Yeah, it is. I'm in Disney WORLD, soarin' over a scene from a Disney LAND attraction because they were too cheap to make another version of the borrowed attraction.

But moving on....doesn't that new Captain EO attraction just blow everybody away?

:rotfl2::lmao::rotfl::rotfl2::lmao::rotfl::worship:
 
Main things don't like personally about universal rides is that most people that are pooh sized cannot ride them...I can fit on all Disney rides but none of universals thrill rides...inc Harry potter ride....although that is MY fault I am pooh sized I like knowing I can ride anything at Disney without testing the seat or the Walk of Shame when i don't fit... :( :sad2::sad1:
 
Sorry, you're wrong. The Dueling Dragons ride-Fire and Ice- has been renamed Dragon Challenge. The Forbidden Journey is an innovative attraction that was built just for the Wizarding World of Harry Potter area at Universal's Islands Of Adventure. They're building an addition to HP at Universal Studios next door which we're looking forward to seeing in a year or two.

Yup I was just logging back in to edit my post-the entrance to forbidden journeys looks similar but the coaster isnt...
 
Yup I was just logging back in to edit my post-the entrance to forbidden journeys looks similar but the coaster isnt...

Next time you're at Universal, you have to go on Forbidden Journey. I'm the biggest ride chicken ever but I LOVE this ride. It's truly amazing.
 
I think if Disney would go back to doing what Disney has always done best, and keep the quality and maintenance and cleanliness up, they would continue to be the top pick over Universal. The problem is they are sliding in all three areas. When they build new attractions, they don't bother to "plus it" anymore. Maintenance staff has been cut back so far, and the time allowed for overnight maintenance cut back so far, that the rides and parks overall suffer (remember back when they would touch up paint and change burnt out bulbs every day?). Cleanliness problems are as much the fault of the guests as the park - people are just pigs these days and Disney has a hard time keeping up. But they need to keep up, as one of the hallmarks of the parks has always been cleanliness.

Not everyone is a thrill ride junkie. When I go to MK, I don't make a beeline for the mountains, and you can have ToT and RnR. I don't think WDW needs to become a thrill park. But they do need to have something for everyone so the family can vacation together regardless of the generations, and they need to keep on top of their game. They are really dropping the ball at WDW and it's going to take a few painful years for them to bring everything up to where it needs to be - if they decide it's worth it to do so.

I am not a big Universal fan. I've been there a few times, but I'm not familiar with most of the movies their attractions are based on, and as I said, I'm not a thrill ride person. I'm also not interested in Harry Potter (haven't read the books, and only made it about a third of the way through the first movie before I was bored). I have had the opportunity to go to Universal with complimentary tickets, and I don't go. I think the last time I went was when they opened MIB. It just doesn't interest me. I do think they have a quality product - it's just not one I'm interested in.
 
I haven't read all of the pages on this thread, so some of my points may have been mentioned be PP's. However, I want to throw my 2 cents in on what the OP raised.

Disney got a swift kick in the unmentionables when they missed the Harry Potter boat. It's a proven franchise (personally, I have seen about 7 minutes of the first film only because a friend of mine was in it) but there is no doubt it's a popular franchise. However, Universal have used HP as a stick to beat the guests with in my opinion.

People complain about FP and FP+ but in contrast with the Express Pass offering from Universal that in some instances almost doubles the cost of your ticket, we see how Disney is at least trying to balance guest experience/cost with their profits while Universal are just raking into their own coffers. Express Passes do not (or at least didn't the last time I looked into it) include the HP attractions!

I haven't been to Universal for 4 years, despite several visits to Orlando. Why? The studios are tired and have had next to no new attractions in years. IOA has undoubtedly had investment and new attractions but unless you're a thrill ride person or a HP fan, it has little to offer. I refuse to pay the price of express passes after folking out the ticket price and so, for me, it isn't worth my time or my money.

Disney's business model is different and if I'm honest they haven't got it completely right in recent years. Avatar seemed to be a knee jerk reaction to the HP error and as such it hasn't summoned much excitement. That said the improvements in infrastructure, the Fantasyland Expansion and the acquisition of Lucas Film is genius. It's grass roots investment on which to build later. The possibilities are endless for the Star Wars Franchise, which is arguably the biggest, most successful film franchise there is. In time, we'll see how significant that will prove to be.

What I think a lot of people are missing here is the potential going forward of the Disney buy outs. Right now, a lot of money is going into things that don't have an immediate gratification effect, but going forward, the benefits will be enormous for Disney because they have acquired options. A new Pixar park? Massive expansion of DHS (God Knows it needs it!) with Star Wars land?

I think Disney has missed a few boats and hasn't made all the right choices at the right times, but I do think that behind the scenes, they know what they're doing. Perhaps they could have invested less in some areas and more in others to provide those gratifying new attractions that the guests want to see. Perhaps the investment in DVC at GF could have waited while a new knockout attraction was put in. But looking further down the road, I think Disney have secured the biggest film franchise there is and judging by the Carsland attraction in DL, it is clear they have endless options there too.

My money is on Disney going forward!
 
From the NY Times article:

"More advance planning will also help lock visitors into Disney once they arrive in Orlando, discouraging people, for instance, from making impromptu visits to Universal’s Wizarding World of Harry Potter."
 
As the mother of one, soon to be two, boys, I totally see the day in the not too distant future when a trip to Universal is far more enticing than a trip to Disney (World or Land), and would love to see some LOTR magic there.

Funny, but my husband, who had been to neither Disney nor Universal until I dragged him to both when he was in his 30s, thought the theming at Uni was better. He thought Disney looked too fake, too pre-fab, too "cutsey" to be real. And he was really blown away by IOA's theming, throughout the park (and we were there pre-Potter).
 
From the NY Times article:

"More advance planning will also help lock visitors into Disney once they arrive in Orlando, discouraging people, for instance, from making impromptu visits to Universal’s Wizarding World of Harry Potter."


I am a total Disney nostalgia kind of person. However, I also love well done theme parks. Universal could win me over with their continued addition of exciting attractions and the front of the line pass. If they have some kind of dining plan option that I can afford, I might just give it a try. My boys would be thrilled.
 
We love Disney and go to wdw every year fora while now....I can definitely say food has gone downhill and cleanliness at some resorts is awful....but Disney magic still exists and we love going here.....

We went to universal in dec 2011....it was different and fun....all my kids even my teens said they liked disney better! I was shocked because I thought they would like all the rides more....WWHP is awesome! Some of the best theming I have ever seen....we will go back after the expansion but just not every year like we do Disney....I did like their downtown area...totally different vibe than downtown Disney....

I understand the "magical" aspect. And, realistically, I still look forward to going to WDW (maybe the looking forward part is even stronger than the being there.....in that, the anticipation outweighs the reality). And, therefore, WDW will always be a part of traveling to Orlando for us.

But, IN our experience this past trip, it just seemed like UO was trying harder. The overall time there was better than the rest of the trip at WDW. Maybe just a fluke.....maybe just an anomaly.

In our party, it just seemed as though WDW was slacking a bit. The dining seems as though it is suffering, due to more homogenized offerings. The need for 6-month-out ADR's for any in-demand TS is unpleasant (I remember....not so long ago.....being able to wake up in the morning at our resort and deciding what sounded like a good dinner or lunch that day, and making ressies at the concierge desk before heading out).

WDW seems to be concentrating more on the mass-appeal (and profit-wise, who can blame them, I suppose), versus the individual impressions. The idea that a visitor's immersion is important is not as fundamental. They are more concerned with plopping down as many DVC's as they can, with a bit less concern for the operational integrity of the rides and attractions.

The New Fantasyland expansion, while interesting, is not that impressive. It's not that creative. Walt Disney was amazing in his creative visions, and very effective at utilizing strong creative minds and talents to bring those visions to life, both on film and in life at the parks. It seems as though so much of that creative vision is gone. The attractions (even new ones) seem half-baked and, when changed and updated, done so with little thought to the end result. As though, finances are more a driving force than creativity.This is an understandable concern, but it is also affecting the visitors' experiences a bit.

A return to the creative initiatives that defined Disneyland and WDW, would substantially re-invigorate the corporate mindset, as well as the guests' responses. Nostalgia, while a very strong emotive aspect, will not always push the masses through the gates. Neither will Avatarland, or a Little Mermaid ride.

The "magic" still exists and still makes me wish I were at WDW rather than sitting at my desk, working. But, the powers that be at WDW (and Disney in general) need to remember what they are selling, how to (with changing technology) reach and activate those senses of imagination, and how to do all that without looking like they are "selling," as it were.

They need to 'lead' again rather than 'compete' (in the most generic of terms). They no longer 'lead.' Maybe they do in mass numbers. But they are not doing so in creativity. So many attractions and rides could be made so much better and could fulfill their promise, with even minor 'fixes' (i.e.: the Yeti on EE, the dilapidated film on Soarin', the hot mess of minor cosmetic uglinesses on so many things).
 
Massive holes in your post. Back to the future hasn't been a ride in universal for years it's the Simpsons now which is getting an expansion and has been a popular show for over two decades. The Spider-Man ride was just updated to hd and is immaculate. Marvel land is themed to comics but was not built in the 80s cuz the park didnt exist.

In terms of lotr... There are two more hobbit movies planned giving the franchise two trilogies and the books have a huge fan base....

I agree the ride shelf life at universal is shorter cuz it's based on movies, but take splash mountain for example... What kid knows what that is based on? I'd say it wouldn't be a majority.

Not massive holes, but examples of my point. Back to the future was huge and a big draw and is now dead and gone, simpsons is great, but again, tied to one show that will end, Doesnt really matter whether marvel was built in the 80s or 90s, my point was that it is an area that may have to dramatically change as they cannot update with new marvel, as Disney owns it going forward.

As for LOTR, hobbit, they are really going to stretch one book to a trilogy?? didnt know that, my point though was that 2 years from now then, the last movie is done. Even the best movie series really dont carry well over generations. Freddy Krueger dominated the screen for a decade, kids now may have heard of him but most not. In fact if I had not insisted my kids would never have seen the first star wars trilogy. You can live off the book audience to a certain point, but as I said LOTR has not been required reading in schools for quite a while and as a bookseller can tell you the current sales are a drop in the bucket compared to what they used to be. They are classics yes but kids aren't seeking them out. The greater part of the audience for the series are in their 40's and up. Universal builds good coasters etc, and the younger crowd will enjoy that aspect, I am sure. I wish them luck, my point is merely that they continue to build major park areas themed tightly to one brand and that leads to expensive overhauls eventually.
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