Comcast CEO: Universal will compete aggressively with Disney

[disneylovin24]

ok...
I'm mentioning the rate of investment over the last 15 years since animal kingdom went on line....

changes tings, don't it.

that list is unimpressive...sorry.

a flat ride in toy story, a failed (it doesn't work...it is a fail) in everest, and a clone in soarin...along with the normal shenanigans with parades, shows, and low impact tweaks.

wait...i forgot about chester and hester...nevermind...my bad. I did forget mission space...that is a solid investment (even with mixed results)...however - then they shut down wonders of life and did Nothing!! a straight subtraction for the price. come on.

they don't have to build a cutting edge hurlatron each year...but they better be building something...and for their price - better be high quality.

too much to ask?

Looking at wait times I would have to say you are in the minority. Mission Space has the shortest wait times in my experiences of all the rides you listed, guess others don't view the other rides as fails

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Looking at wait times I would have to say you are in the minority. Mission Space has the shortest wait times in my experiences of all the rides you listed, guess others don't view the other rides as fails

The yeti doesn't work...from an operational/engineering standpoint... That's a fail.

A 30 minute standby line doesn't affect
That at all. That is a six flags ride as it stands. Period.

Soarin doesn't have the hourly capacity to keep up...if it had been built on a comparative scale of wdw to Disneyland 2-3:1...then that's different too.

I'm always the minority...but I make them earn it. I don't support really bad consumers (wdw ones have really gotten bad in the last 10 years) and company lines on thing when experience doesn't compute.

I'll give them credit when they do things right...they just haven't done alot of that. Now there are more people to serve and way more financial resources available....but the bar is not being respected or paid any respect.

I know most just see the place and say "that's near", pay, and fly home. But then if that goes...the place goes to...
And then what shall we talk about?

 

[disneylovin24]

The yeti doesn't work...from an operational/engineering standpoint... That's a fail.

A 30 minute standby line doesn't affect
That at all. That is a six flags ride as it stands. Period.

Soarin doesn't have the hourly capacity to keep up...if it had been built on a comparative scale of wdw to Disneyland 2-3:1...then that's different too.

I'm always the minority...but I make them earn it. I don't support really bad consumers (wdw ones have really gotten bad in the last 10 years) and company lines on thing when experience doesn't compute.

I'll give them credit when they do things right...they just haven't done alot of that. Now there are more people to serve and way more financial resources available....but the bar is not being respected or paid any respect.

I know most just see the place and say "that's near", pay, and fly home. But then if that goes...the place goes to...
And then what shall we talk about?

"Next trip: not soon enough"

All you have been doing is going on about how Disney has become horrible and how you don't want to give your money to them. Then why are you even still on here with a signature that implies you can't wait to go to Disney again Honestly, I don't get it. If Disney has become so subpar and is not living up to expectations, don't associate with it. You don't have to spoil everyone else's experiences.

 

[rteetz]

The yeti doesn't work...from an operational/engineering standpoint... That's a fail. A 30 minute standby line doesn't affect That at all. That is a six flags ride as it stands. Period. Soarin doesn't have the hourly capacity to keep up...if it had been built on a comparative scale of wdw to Disneyland 2-3:1...then that's different too. I'm always the minority...but I make them earn it. I don't support really bad consumers (wdw ones have really gotten bad in the last 10 years) and company lines on thing when experience doesn't compute. I'll give them credit when they do things right...they just haven't done alot of that. Now there are more people to serve and way more financial resources available....but the bar is not being respected or paid any respect. I know most just see the place and say "that's near", pay, and fly home. But then if that goes...the place goes to... And then what shall we talk about?

Yes the yeti it self is a fail on Disney's part but the ride itself is still very popular and is probably the most popular ride in AK. Disney hasn't invested in AK like they should have but the park hasn't been a fail.

 

[rteetz]

"Next trip: not soon enough" All you have been doing is going on about how Disney has become horrible and how you don't want to give your money to them. Then why are you even still on here with a signature that implies you can't wait to go to Disney again Honestly, I don't get it. If Disney has become so subpar and is not living up to expectations, don't associate with it. You don't have to spoil everyone else's experiences.

I have to agree with you but Disney has changed there pace in attraction development. I love Disney and will keep going back but I think after the major fail of DCA Disney is taking a careful approach to their parks. They want to make sure what they put in the parks from here on out is successful and not average or a fail. I also think because my magic plus has taken a bit longer to get out and it has cost a bit more money that also makes them more cautious with spending. That system I don't think is a fail tho I think it will end up being successful.

 

[quest4dl]

It's not just the pace of development it's the quality of attractions at stake as well. For example, IMO, MIB is far superior to TSM or Buzz. And Harry Potter World definitely has immersive theming - again, beyond anything Disney has created in recent years. Where Disney shines are the shows and parades - nothing remotely comparable at Universal.

Also, I am paying a high ticket price and need to be able to experience a certain number of attractions per day to make the cost worth while. If I stay on-site at Universal, I am guaranteed reasonable access to attractions. At peak times in Disney, prices are at peak and you can do fewer things. I'm also shocked they started such a large beta test with so many bugs in the system as well as an inelegant user interface. I'm excited to try new technology but not when it's poorly designed and tested.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

The yeti doesn't work...from an operational/engineering standpoint... That's a fail.

You have a way of using words to twist things completely around to fit your argument.

Everest is one example. It is by no means a failure in any reasonable persons book. One aspect of the supporting animatronics is not working (and isn't important to the ride), but the ride itself is still fantastic!

Amazing theming, one of the best queues ever, a great coaster with unique aspects (torn up tracks, reverse in the dark with a backwards corkscrew that gives chills every time, etc.) It is better than Rockin Roller or Space Mtn to me. And it is very popular.

From an operational/engineering aspect it is a great success.

BTW, it is a blast in the rain.

Could Disney do better or do more? Yes, it is an organization made up of imperfect human beings, but they have done pretty darn good.

I love LOVE Mission space - now THAT'S a thrill ride. And everest. And I think the mine train will be cool.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

"Next trip: not soon enough"

All you have been doing is going on about how Disney has become horrible and how you don't want to give your money to them. Then why are you even still on here with a signature that implies you can't wait to go to Disney again Honestly, I don't get it. If Disney has become so subpar and is not living up to expectations, don't associate with it. You don't have to spoil everyone else's experiences.

LOL...the signature's got a few jokes in there...

but not the experience and the amount of money spent...that's real

I've commented on this on alot of threads...think i just did last week...i'm a defender of disney world - i just don't think we agree on what that means.

the margins are shrinking for me...but i still have some hope (though not as much as i used to ) that they can strengthen the experience. And i still have fun there...but not as much and that is on the decline as well.

I remember when operational/maintenance budgets were slashed about 10 years ago...all the "purists" were up in arms about chewing gum removal and daily repainting...i thought they were silly.
Just as i thought old time employees in resorts were silly for bemoaning the elimination of "leads" in the late 90's was silly too. Who cares? move on...

But i see the point now...i've evolved. with age comes wisdom (more for most than me )
The details...and the lead model which was the original operating structure at Disneyland...is how they built the credibility that i think they are borrowing against. It's like a credit default swap in amusements.

I don't want a boycott...but i also hate support for the things where the margins are squeezed. Reject the dining plan...reject the jacked up pricing on the menus that came with it...stay out of the giftshops because the stuff is way worse than it used to be (which is saying ALOT).

Why do i have to state that the bands are anything other than profit banking and forecasted labor control - they are. It's the ability that makes them attractive.
Now knowing what i know...i can use them to my advantage and already have...but i know better. Those things are not for me, at the end of the day.

There are millions of examples. I am fair...but not about the corporate smoke screen.
But i have no power as well

 

[lockedoutlogic]

You have a way of using words to twist things completely around to fit your argument.

Everest is one example. It is by no means a failure in any reasonable persons book. One aspect of the supporting animatronics is not working (and isn't important to the ride), but the ride itself is still fantastic!

Amazing theming, one of the best queues ever, a great coaster with unique aspects (torn up tracks, reverse in the dark with a backwards corkscrew that gives chills every time, etc.) It is better than Rockin Roller or Space Mtn to me. And it is very popular.

From an operational/engineering aspect it is a great success.

BTW, it is a blast in the rain.

Could Disney do better or do more? Yes, it is an organization made up of imperfect human beings, but they have done pretty darn good.

I love LOVE Mission space - now THAT'S a thrill ride. And everest. And I think the mine train will be cool.

woah woah...

go back and watch the promotional material they put out on that ride before it opened. They presented is as a "storyboard" attraction as only disney can do it.

There was never "its a fantastic ride...and the yeti is nice too"

that's twisting...maybe we're both guilty...but there's two sides in this game, for sure.

There were 3 individiual components engineered. the ride system (probably intamin or vekoma if i remember correct), the skin (a well done shell...disney always does it the best...but in the end a set piece)...and the AA.

The majority of the pre ride hype was the AA...or at least as much as the switchtrack ride system.

It's not a success from that standpoint...it might be fun...but that's not the measurement stick we're talking about.

The yeti has worked under 10% of the operational history of the ride (a guess...but fair)...that is not an engineering success.

you don't build bridges - by chance - do you?

 

[rteetz]

It's not just the pace of development it's the quality of attractions at stake as well. For example, IMO, MIB is far superior to TSM or Buzz. And Harry Potter World definitely has immersive theming - again, beyond anything Disney has created in recent years. Where Disney shines are the shows and parades - nothing remotely comparable at Universal. Also, I am paying a high ticket price and need to be able to experience a certain number of attractions per day to make the cost worth while. If I stay on-site at Universal, I am guaranteed reasonable access to attractions. At peak times in Disney, prices are at peak and you can do fewer things. I'm also shocked they started such a large beta test with so many bugs in the system as well as an inelegant user interface. I'm excited to try new technology but not when it's poorly designed and tested.

I disagree cars land and it's theming may not directly affect HP in Orlando but I think as for theming and immersive ness cars land is right there! That large beta test you are referring to started out very small. And grew as Disney has felt necessary. Disney has taken a great approach to implementing MM+. They started small with cast members than to select guests then to on site guests and not it's opening up to off site guests as well. Without these large scale tests Disney would not have found many of these bugs and if Disney out the whole system out there all at once to everyone the system would have failed tragically. It has not been poorly tested maybe poorly designed but definitely not poorly tested.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

woah woah...

go back and watch the promotional material they put out on that ride before it opened. They presented is as a "storyboard" attraction as only disney can do it.

There was never "its a fantastic ride...and the yeti is nice too"

that's twisting...maybe we're both guilty...but there's two sides in this game, for sure.

There were 3 individiual components engineered. the ride system (probably intamin or vekoma if i remember correct), the skin (a well done shell...disney always does it the best...but in the end a set piece)...and the AA.

The majority of the pre ride hype was the AA...or at least as much as the switchtrack ride system.

It's not a success from that standpoint...it might be fun...but that's not the measurement stick we're talking about.

The yeti has worked under 10% of the operational history of the ride (a guess...but fair)...that is not an engineering success.

you don't build bridges - by chance - do you?

Well MOST of the cars make it across.

You are trying to equate the yeti with the whole ride. Yes, it was unique so they marketed the yeti heavily, but it isn't that important. It is so unimportant 99% of the people riding don't know anything is broken!

No, the real measure of success of any ride anywhere:

Is it a good ride and is it popular? Yes to both.

Intentions don't count when a ride fails and they don't count when it succeeds. That is why they don't close to fix Yeti. They don't need to, the ride is a success. People line up in long lines to ride it. The ultimate true measure of success. They'll fix it after Pandora.

 

[quest4dl]

I disagree cars land and it's theming may not directly affect HP in Orlando but I think as for theming and immersive ness cars land is right there! That large beta test you are referring to started out very small. And grew as Disney has felt necessary. Disney has taken a great approach to implementing MM+. They started small with cast members than to select guests then to on site guests and not it's opening up to off site guests as well. Without these large scale tests Disney would not have found many of these bugs and if Disney out the whole system out there all at once to everyone the system would have failed tragically. It has not been poorly tested maybe poorly designed but definitely not poorly tested.

Either the smaller batch tests did not have sufficient parameters or they went on to larger populations before making all the fixes. There also seems to be inconsistency with respect to access to fastpass + which makes me suspect 'behind-the-scenes' programming (e.g. more access for concierge guests) - either that or super-'glitchiness'! I agree that the tests need to be done but then the guests should get some kind of compensation (coupon for a meal, extra fp etc - I'm not talking big dollars) for being in the guinea pig batch - too expensive a vacation to be spent 'testing'. Maybe okay for people who go frequently but not for the more infrequent Disney visitor.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Well MOST of the cars make it across.

You are trying to equate the yeti with the whole ride. Yes, it was unique so they marketed the yeti heavily, but it isn't that important. It is so unimportant 99% of the people riding don't know anything is broken!

No, the real measure of success of any ride anywhere:

Is it a good ride and is it popular? Yes to both.

Intentions don't count when a ride fails and they don't count when it succeeds. That is why they don't close to fix Yeti. They don't need to, the ride is a success. People line up in long lines to ride it. The ultimate true measure of success. They'll fix it after Pandora.

Now you just step outside of Disney's own propaganda...

The STORY (they claim) is what makes their rides "world class entertainment for children of all ages"

Disney would never... Ever... Say that the yeti was optional... It would be disproven by their
Own words on YouTube in about 4 seconds.

If it was all about the steel and the line... Then you would be at cedar point or magic mountain...

We probably should run up the white flag and meet at the center of the field on this one ;$

 

[newdeal]

What people are failing to figure out is that Universal and WDW do not have the same target demographics. Universal has basically nothing to appeal highly to the 2 to 6 year old girl crowd. That is Disneys key demo and so there really is nothing to worry about Disney has that sewn up and everything else they do has been FAR less successful. As long as Disney keeps it up in that demo they are doing pretty good. Get them young and you have them for life. While Disney doesn't have quite as strong of a lock on little boys eventually those little boys become big boys who go to Disney with their wives because their wives want their kids to do it like she did when she was young

 

[rteetz]

Either the smaller batch tests did not have sufficient parameters or they went on to larger populations before making all the fixes. There also seems to be inconsistency with respect to access to fastpass + which makes me suspect 'behind-the-scenes' programming (e.g. more access for concierge guests) - either that or super-'glitchiness'! I agree that the tests need to be done but then the guests should get some kind of compensation (coupon for a meal, extra fp etc - I'm not talking big dollars) for being in the guinea pig batch - too expensive a vacation to be spent 'testing'. Maybe okay for people who go frequently but not for the more infrequent Disney visitor.

okay I understand that but until now you didn't have to be part of the test. At this point there is no way out of it really.

 

[quest4dl]

okay I understand that but until now you didn't have to be part of the test. At this point there is no way out of it really.

I agree but I don't think it will be as 'bug-free' as it should be by the time we visit int March. I still consider it part of the 'testing' phase.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Now you just step outside of Disney's own propaganda...

The STORY (they claim) is what makes their rides "world class entertainment for children of all ages"

Disney would never... Ever... Say that the yeti was optional... It would be disproven by their
Own words on YouTube in about 4 seconds.

If it was all about the steel and the line... Then you would be at cedar point or magic mountain...

We probably should run up the white flag and meet at the center of the field on this one ;$

Words don't prove anything. Words are cheap. Visitors are what the whole business is about and Everest is a top-notch popular ride. And it has a great story even if Yeti doesn't move.

Haha. Shake hands and call it a day? Good game. Then what will we discuss next? (Goes in search of another thread.)

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Words don't prove anything. Words are cheap. Visitors are what the whole business is about and Everest is a top-notch popular ride. And it has a great story even if Yeti doesn't move.

Haha. Shake hands and call it a day? Good game. Then what will we discuss next? (Goes in search of another thread.)

Disney is all about the words...what THEY tell you to value.

PR Is alot of their arsenal...

I love the bacon at cape may cafe ( or anywhere...it's bought in bulk). But they're charging me $29 to get a picture of my kid with a chipmunk.
Almost all that they sell is "the story"... You can't dismiss it here.

If Everest was a "tremendous" ride without the worlds largest and most ambitious AA... Why bother trying. Because the STORY wasn't complete without it.

If you really think Everest is an awesome ride... You and I should go on a day trip.

Hulk, kraken, gwazi, Montu...all better rides within an hour's drive...
No "story"

A successful ride at any other amusing park is evidenced by the line and the ridership. Disney is the one place where this argument doesn't hold. And that's not my idea...that's what they have been dealing for 60 years. Any old park can build dirty amusement rides... Walt said it. And none charge you premiums for EVERYTHING.

They own it.

Ok...I'm done...back to the free dining watch and studying avatars bluray sales

 

[yitbos96bb]

This is great for us fans

Yep... Competition should breed innovation... And hopefully Star Wars land/world

 

[rteetz]

I agree but I don't think it will be as 'bug-free' as it should be by the time we visit int March. I still consider it part of the 'testing' phase.

I am not going to be able to try it until July I think it will be fully rolled out at that point or at least close.