Codes concern LONG

Bumping since I notice a lot of "Disney doesn't love us" threads on the June/July/August posts.

And you are right... Disney is a big corporation.... Corporations by thier very nature can't love us..... :rotfl2:

I still think Disney has to do what is best for the overall corporation and it's stockholders and in any business selling at full price is better in the long term then discounting. Look at the airlines, discounts like crazy followed by bankruptcy. There is a relationship here.
 
I really believe like the airlines and other hotel chains, that Disney needs to have a better 'reward' system for the repeat customer. At this point only the AP can come anywhere near that type of benifit that Disney currently offers. If they choose as a 'corporation' to ignore what most business recoginize as necessary to the bottom line, repeat businees, then I believe in the long run they will suffer.
I believe that is the discussion attempted on these boards and I am glad that it is being discussed!!!
JMHO
Debbie
 
thegirls said:
Am I missing something? . I believe a seperate forum was set up just so people can discuss the codes or lack there of. Other wise the codes themselves could be viewed by visiting the discount section!
No offense, but I come here to read about rumors,conjecture about codes and funny stories while people wait..... What did you think would be posted in this forum??
Debbie


I agree. I don't come here to be bashed about looking for codes.
 

As I read back over this if you feel "bashed" then I can only assume that it's your personal feeling. As far as I can tell NO ONE here has bashed anyone for looking for discounts.... My initial post was more a summary of the trend. (The big difference this time is that we haven't gotten the waves of joy when Disney finally releases codes) I did not in any way intend it as bashing....

(Apparently it's bashing to point out that they MAY not come???? :rotfl2: )


Anyway, as to the airline comparision... Go over to www.flyertalk.com and read for a while. On almost ALL the airlines are threads of upset flyers whose "miles were devalued" In other words we frequent flyers aren't as "rewarded" as we use to be... just like some AP holders feel they aren't as "rewarded" as they use to be be. Hotel rewards are the same way...

My feeling on airline awards is the airlines have gotten themselves "stuck" Those programs are costing them a lot of money and they would LOVE to just abandon them, but are afraid too.... I can't see anyone who doesn't have rewards type program starting one now. Experience has shown with both the airlines and hotels that it's a money loser. (Folks will want to buy the $39 each way tickets to get the miles and then fly First Class to Hawaii.... Disney guests would probably want rewards for staying at Pop and then want to use them for GF concerige....)
 
Thank you CarolA for posting what some of us are feeling. I've been around the boards for many years and have seen the same patterns over and over again.
 
thegirls said:
I really believe like the airlines and other hotel chains, that Disney needs to have a better 'reward' system for the repeat customer. At this point only the AP can come anywhere near that type of benifit that Disney currently offers. If they choose as a 'corporation' to ignore what most business recoginize as necessary to the bottom line, repeat businees, then I believe in the long run they will suffer.
I believe that is the discussion attempted on these boards and I am glad that it is being discussed!!!
JMHO
Debbie

Something to understand. Disney has to report its profits quarterly. You're talking about much longer-term thinking.

If there comes a point where disney needs to reintroduce codes in order to keep resorts full, it will do so. With gusto. Do you really think if and when that happens, the repeat people are going to say, "ah, to heck with it, I'm not going back there because they didn't give me any codes back in June 2006"? No way. Maybe a few. But disney has a product that you want to buy, and they know it.

Plus, they have been offering some dynamite promotions recently -- free dining is huge. That's going to generate lots of good will and repeat business from the people who are using it. It's just a small segment -- summer AP visitors -- that they appear to be phasing out. With all due respect, summer AP discounters are the very last customers that disney wants unless they have no other option to fill the rooms. We don't buy MYW tickets, we know all the tricks, we get the best discounts, we get discounted dining, and we're the most saavy customers they have. As compared to rack or AAA customers who buy MYW tickets and don't have dining cards, they hate us. They tolerate us, but only if they have to.

Do you know what I think is really going on? As little as a year or 18 months ago, the whole concept of "codes" was a rarely used thing by the general public. There were a small fraction of us who understood that purchasing an AP pass, even if you were going for less than 12 days, could be a great boondogle. There were a small number of us who knew about mousesavers and these boards and how to get the best deals. Now, discussion of "codes" is ubiquitous. They are mentioned even in the mainstream guidebooks, not just the unofficial guide, and by tour guide mike, etc. Many of the great travel agents who specialize in disney travel do great business because they are vigilent to check for and apply codes. It's gone from a small way for disney to sell unsold rooms to a major expectation that canibalizes their rack and AAA market.

What's happening right now was inevitable. They are weening us off the expectation, and if in the process they drop some AP customers who will instead have to buy expiring MYW tickets, they will be more than delighted. It's all about trying to separate the most number of people from the most dollars possible, and I think for all the talk about what this will do in the long run, the most profitable long-run thing disney could do is to break the public of the code habit. In fact, the thing we have going in our favor the most is what I posted at the beginning of this post -- the fact that they have to report profits by the quarter. Ultimately, they despise unsold rooms, so there's only so much of a short-term hit they will be willing to take to break us of the code habit.
 
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Well said post....I for one have booked for July with AAA and if an AP code came out and I could get it for my dates, BONUS :Pinkbounc , but i will not be calling 3x a day, obsessing, or changing my plans. I for one hope that there are no AP codes to keep the crowd levels down. :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
:thumbsup2
Thanks CarolA for saying what so many have been thinking! Making threats and foot stomping will not bring "good Karma" IMHO
I will look under every rock for a discount but I will not become angry if they are not available.
 
QUOTE: 4. Posts that the CMs are RUDE. (Do you think that there is any correlation between 3 and 4... I do. Reports of rude tend to come up more and more as posters get more and more irrate. Now I am not saying the poster who reports the rude CM was rude, but they may have gotten the DEMAND for a passholder discount on the call prior. They are not audio animtronics, they are humans with sales goals that determine thier take home pay)
QUOTE: My suggestion (Which I took long enough to arrive at!) is that everyone calm down. Calling Disney 10 times a day, being rude to CRO, being rude to your fellow poster or getting furious are probably just wasting energy.

How can this be any kind of help for us here on the codes only resort boards? Are you trying to make a point that we, the disney consumer, should 'back-off' and stop 'bothering' Disney with our phone calls? Are you suggesting that the bad moods of an employee of a for-profit corporation should be considered as acceptable during tryng times?
I honestly am confused why this post has become a valued statement as opposed to just an opinion of one person!?!? I accept that although we may not see eye to eye on this particular issue, my opionin is no less valuable or acceptable than yours. By being a 'sticky' it gives the impression of a fact not an opinion.
I agree that everyone should treat each other more potilely and with respect but I cannot see how advising us on how to treat this situation is of any help. I think that maybe your post more than not would suggest an end to this board in and of itself?
JMHO
Debbie
 
Diseny doesn't hate you... it's nota personal attack. Disney didn't look at my vacation plans and go "CarolA for you no codes"
You are wrong Carol. "They" are out to "get you".
:lmao: j/k of course

In defense of thosee upset by no codes for their needs, as one who has probably been there at one time or another ;) , I don't think it is so much as a I will take my Business elsewhere! attitude.
But it does make a frugle or bargain hunter re-consider where they want to stay. What place offers the more bang for their buck, and still fits their needs.
 
Shucks Carol,
now you've gone and taken away my daily entertainment. I always got a hoot out of reading the code watch post. It would always amaze me how stress-out folks would get waiting for a code. I'm eagerly awaiting the Aug/sept/oct code watch post to start popping up.
 
Hey, the code watch thread will still be there...

I just wanted folks to play nice LOL! (I realize that might be impossible, but one can hope)

And Disney already has me and LOTS of my money!!!!
 
Great post! I got excited today when AP rates came out... then I realized that we booked on DVC points and I didn't have to worry about the AP rates.

APs are a great deal, esp if you are not going to the water parks so we buy them for the ticket value and hope for room discounts. If not so be it!
 
Well said Carol! Suggestion to moderator: Carol's post should receive the highest honor available on the disboards and be made a sticky on this thread. Because she's right, when it comes time for fall codes this whole thing is going to start all over again!
Why is this a sticky? I guess I was mistaken when I assumed stickys were meant to give information, not opinions. (No offense, Carol).

And what's wrong with this whole thing starting again in the fall? Maybe you don't understand the code watch threads, but the people who call "10 times a day" and the ones who need to "calm down" use those threads to offer encouragement, to vent, to share excitement, to pass on information, to have a place where everyone is waiting for the same thing.


Shucks Carol, now you've gone and taken away my daily entertainment. I always got a hoot out of reading the code watch post. It would always amaze me how stress-out folks would get waiting for a code. I'm eagerly awaiting the Aug/sept/oct code watch post to start popping up.

I'm one of the people who gets stressed out waiting for a code. It's the waiting that's stressful waiting to find out if I'm going to save $119 a night, $900 for my week's vacation. I was so happy to have a thread to go to and wait. I never realized that this was entertainment for some of you.
 
I've never used a code to stay at Disney. Overall I think Disney is reasonable in their pricing (with the exception of fast food in the parks). You get what you pay for; you are on a budget you stay at Allstar, if you're living large you stay at GF and eat at V&A's. Someday I'll stay at GF with or without a code.

I HATE when people are rude to CM's or CSR's at any business, when the CM is not doing anything but their job and is being polite. Some people think the world revolves around them. I can't stand that!!

Sometimes I have to take a break from this site for that reason.
Wow I feel better! All in all, this site is great, mostly everyone is very nice.
:stir:
 
Carol, I applaud you for putting into writing the very thoughts I have had over the past several weeks in reading this section. While codes are very nice when they do happen, I do not plan my vacation times around them. I happened to luck out and one came out for our planned vacation in the beginning of June-I actually purchased the AP to take advantage of the discount.

Now if only some of the people who expect/feel entitled to room upgrades when they visit Disney would only read this and reflect over how petty some of them sound when they put their thoughts out there....
 
Aisling said:
Why is this a sticky? I guess I was mistaken when I assumed stickys were meant to give information, not opinions. (No offense, Carol).

And what's wrong with this whole thing starting again in the fall? Maybe you don't understand the code watch threads, but the people who call "10 times a day" and the ones who need to "calm down" use those threads to offer encouragement, to vent, to share excitement, to pass on information, to have a place where everyone is waiting for the same thing.




I'm one of the people who gets stressed out waiting for a code. It's the waiting that's stressful waiting to find out if I'm going to save $119 a night, $900 for my week's vacation. I was so happy to have a thread to go to and wait. I never realized that this was entertainment for some of you.
Stickies may also be used for suggestions, etc. from mods. or for a thread that people are consistently looking for.

No one is saying there's anything wrong with code watch threads, but when people are rude to each other or to CM's about this, it doesn't help anyone. The point of Carol A's post was to be considerate during code watching. Some people may have been overzealously calling CRO and possibly even being verbally abusive to CM's and on occasion to each other on the Dis.

Carol A was just reminding everyone that getting a code should be a happy thing, not something that causes stress.

Imagine that everyone called the IRS about their tax refunds 10 times a day. or that you called your Boss 10 times a day prior to the time you expect your Christmas bonus, asking how much it will be, when it will come, etc.?

Enjoy it when it comes, but remember the saying "Expect the best, but prepare for the worst" and don't let what should be a good thing turn into something stressful.
 
corndog said:
People should also keep in mind that the economy is stronger than it's been at any time in the last 7 years. That means people overall have more disposable income. Thus, Disney doesn't have to offer as many discounts to entice people to come.

It's a great time to be wealthy in the United States; for the rest of us, not so much.

That said, I agree 100% with CarolA, and Disney is free to charge whatever the market will bear for its rooms.
 
Aisling said:
Why is this a sticky? I guess I was mistaken when I assumed stickys were meant to give information, not opinions. (No offense, Carol).

And what's wrong with this whole thing starting again in the fall? Maybe you don't understand the code watch threads, but the people who call "10 times a day" and the ones who need to "calm down" use those threads to offer encouragement, to vent, to share excitement, to pass on information, to have a place where everyone is waiting for the same thing.




I'm one of the people who gets stressed out waiting for a code. It's the waiting that's stressful waiting to find out if I'm going to save $119 a night, $900 for my week's vacation. I was so happy to have a thread to go to and wait. I never realized that this was entertainment for some of you.

It takes a lot more then this to offend me... especially on a message board.
 














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