CNN & FOX-Al-Zarqawi killed

[ead79]

Thank goodness this man is dead so he can't hurt more innocent people. JOB WELL DONE to our troops and special ops and to the informant as well!

 

[chernabog]

Not a physicist, chemist or fire professional, but I'm pretty sure that rock, stone and concrete (which I have to assume most of that safehouse was made) isn't going to smolder very long! Don't know though!

Maybe by the magic of video, the government just added the smoke to impress the journalists! We were really looking at an aerial shot of downtown Scranton!

 

[N.Bailey]

You mean, like, in 1945?

You know what? I wasn't alive in 1945 and neither were most people I know. Perhaps that's when that generation lost its innocence as well.

 

[nightowlky]

Just as I suspected. You're shooting blanks.


Seriously, take the time to download the Power of Nightmares. It's an amazing documentary that parallels the rise of the Islamist movement (Muslim Brotherhood) starting with Sayyid Qutb along with the rise of the neoconservative movement here in the US.

 

[N.Bailey]

Let's stick with reality, shall we?

All we know about last night is a house was allegedly bombed by two US fighter jets.

The video clip on CNN today showed NO smoldering remains and showed kids jumping up and down on the rubble. Where were the US military and intelligence people cordoning off the area and searching for documents and other evidence?

Hmmm?

Truth is the first casualty of war and it was long buried in this one.

Watch that BBC documentary and read that book and let the wool fall away.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you're trying to pass your opinion off as fact. You simply don't have PROOF that what you say it true, but you state it with absolute certainty anyway.

 

[chernabog]

Okay you got me. I've seen enough! I checked your first two links (just to amuse myself) and you're sources are pretty good.

The first bit of news came from ConjureBlog. That must be pretty reputable. Let's see, conjure. Doesn't that mean to imagine or influence as if by magic or to summon by magical powers?

Your other source, The Washington Post, clearly stated in the first couple of paragraphs that this information of Zarqawi's death, came from a leaflet signed by a dozen alleged insurgent groups and that it's authenticity could not be verified. Hmmm...yeah that's right, the insurgent groups wouldn't try to decieve us, or would they?

Sorry but I stopped reading after that and am now waiting for Ashton Kucher to come and tell me that I'm being punked.

This sounds like sour grapes with the government and in particular, President Bush!

 

[arminnie]

You know what? I wasn't alive in 1945 and neither were most people I know. Perhaps that's when that generation lost its innocence as well.

Are you prejudiced against old people? Seriously do you really not know people of that generation? I have friends from all age groups - diversity is a good thing.

 

[MickeyMouseGal]

I hope there is a special place in Hell for people like Al-Zarqawi.
Like someone else said, 'Rest In Pieces'.

 

[N.Bailey]

Are you prejudiced against old people? Seriously do you really not know people of that generation? I have friends from all age groups - diversity is a good thing.

I'm not prejudice against old people. LOL

My mother was born in '43, so while she was alive, I'm going to have to go out on a limb and say Hitler didn't really impact her life at the time. Perhaps at a later point as she studied WW2 it did, just as it does all of us.

My inlaws, father, step father etc... were born around the same time.

My husband's grandparents died early on his father's side and his mother's parents lived in Germany, so we never got really close to them.

My grandmother died when I was young, and my grandfather 2 years ago, but again, I live so far away that I rarely saw him.

My father's parents......well, I never knew them as my father died when I nine, but even at that, my parents divorced when I was around 3 and well....It just wasn't around much at all.

I have never had conversations with anyone that has had 1st hand accounts of WW2, but I'm sure I know some.

Just to correct you however, you might want to reread my post. To save you the trouble, I'll paste it below. Take notice of the word "MOST."

You know what? I wasn't alive in 1945 and neither were most people I know. Perhaps that's when that generation lost its innocence as well.

I do stand behind my original statement that I know of no one who has ever wished (and meant it literally) harm or death to another human being. I think it's truly sad that these terrorists have made Americans wish others harm/death. It's a loss of innocence to me. Not to mention a loss of feeling safe. I certainly didn't understand their hatred for us 5 years ago, but as sad as it is, I now have that hatred for them.

 

[transparant]

Israeli airstrike kills No. 2 on most wanted - Jamal Abu Samhadana, a 43-year-old explosives expert was killed during Israeli airstrike.

 

[chernabog]

Didn't the Isrealis kill him after the Munich Olympic debacle?

 

[transparant]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/08/D8I495UO0.html

Here's the article from today.

 

[jimmiej]

I'm happy he was caught. I don't need to see the picture of his dead body though. That is just over the top for me and it seems to be happening more and more in the media. I don't like that we're getting comfortable with showing that on television.

We should be pleased that the US has one less terrorist to worry about...but I don't think I could ever say I'm happy he's dead. It's just another piece of the tragic times we're living in.

Joy, IA with you almost all the time. However, I disagree with you here. I think we need to see the picture. It's confirmation. Remember, war is hell!

I'm VERY glad this murderer (too nice a word for him, but DIS rules won't let me type what I'd like to) is burning in Hell!

P.S. It's nice of our resident Bush-haters to stop by & try to say something supportive.

 

[nightowlky]

Okay you got me. I've seen enough! I checked your first two links (just to amuse myself) and you're sources are pretty good.

The first bit of news came from ConjureBlog. That must be pretty reputable. Let's see, conjure. Doesn't that mean to imagine or influence as if by magic or to summon by magical powers?

Your other source, The Washington Post, clearly stated in the first couple of paragraphs that this information of Zarqawi's death, came from a leaflet signed by a dozen alleged insurgent groups and that it's authenticity could not be verified. Hmmm...yeah that's right, the insurgent groups wouldn't try to decieve us, or would they?

Sorry but I stopped reading after that and am now waiting for Ashton Kucher to come and tell me that I'm being punked.

This sounds like sour grapes with the government and in particular, President Bush!

Typical. Attack the source and ignore the message

Um, conjur is a blog but the entry linked to several NEWSPAPER ARTICLES. The source of the links matters not.

The first link contains:

Before January 2003, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was little known. Very few people were even aware of the one-legged ethnic Palestinian Ahmed Fadeel al-Khalayleh, born in the dreary industrial wasteland of Zarqa in Jordan, who was basically a semi-literate, tattooed, Shi'ite-hating thug.

His goal while in Jordan was to topple King Hussein. It didn't work. He became a jihadi in Afghanistan in the late 1980s against the Soviets, and after returning to Jordan in 1992 spent seven years in jail for possession of guns. In fighting in 2002 following the US-led invasion of Afghanistan to topple the Taliban, one of his legs was severely injured - and may have been, or maybe not, amputated. He then found refuge in Iraqi Kurdistan, protected by the Anglo-American enforced no-fly zone, with Ansar al-Islam, a group with a maximum of 400 fundamentalist Kurdish warriors. And he may have moved to the Sunni triangle after the fall of Baghdad in April 2003.

Zarqawi stopped being a non-entity on February 5, 2003, when he was spectacularly catapulted onto the global stage - six weeks before the start of the Iraq war - by US Secretary of State Colin Powell's weapons of mass destruction speech at the United Nations. Powell used Zarqawi to link Saddam Hussein's secular Ba'athist regime to the "Islamic terror network", and thus partly justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Asia Times Online confirmed in Amman, Jordan in February 2003 that practically nobody knew Zarqawi outside of Jordan - even though in 2002 he had been the target of a CIA disinformation campaign tying him to the theocratic regime in Tehran. But soon the Bush administration was to invest him with the aura of an "international man of mystery" - the world's most dangerous man after Osama bin Laden.
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The second link (to the WaPo) contains:

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq "during the American bombing there," according to the eight-page leaflet circulated this week in Fallujah, a city 30 miles west of Baghdad that is a hotbed of anti-U.S. insurgency activity.

There was no way to verify the authenticity of the leaflet. It was signed by 12 groups, including several cited by U.S. officials in the past including the Ansar al-Sunna Army and Muhammad's Army.

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It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.

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Another link contains:

But some Iraqis say Washington exaggerates the threat from Zarqawi to disguise the strength of Iraq's homegrown insurgency, and Falluja residents say they have no idea where he is, despite warnings from the interim administration that they face tough action unless they give him up.

The official Kuwait news agency KUNA had quoted Iraqi security sources as saying a man suspected of being Zarqawi was detained during U.S.-led military operations in Falluja on Friday.

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BBC reported:
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In an interview with the Washington Post, a man claiming to be Zarqawi's lieutenant in the western city of Ramadi said his leader had been shot between his shoulder and chest during fighting at the weekend.

Abu Karrar said key members of Zarqawi's group were working with him to choose his successor from four candidates, three Arabs and an Iraqi.

The initial report that Zarqawi had been hurt, in a message signed by Al-Qaeda in Iraq and posted on a well-known Islamist site, failed to specify whether any injury was the result of combat.


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The MSNBC article contains much the same info as the WaPo one.




So, we see Zarqawi is, at the least, one very lucky person to have survived being shot and losing a leg and yet still be leading the most violent group in Iraq. Oy vey.

But, go ahead and stick with your Fox News/Newsmax feed and forget the history of US government propaganda when it comes to war:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2002/How-To-Start-A-WarMay02.htm

 

[goofy's friends]

Of course, the sources matter

 

[nightowlky]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you're trying to pass your opinion off as fact. You simply don't have PROOF that what you say it true, but you state it with absolute certainty anyway.

Which is why, in my first post, I wrote this:

I think the persona of Zarqawi has been kept up

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And then I posted a link to a list of links with part of the evidence supporting my opinion. That's how debating works.

 

[nightowlky]

Of course, the sources matter

Nothing much wrong with Washington Post, MSNBC, and the BBC.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Great news about the death of a terrorist pig and 7 of his demons!!

Nations rejoice when justice is done!

A big thank you to our troops, allies, Iraqi's, and our Commander-in-Chief.

And a pox on yet another goofy conspiracy theory. Pathetic.

 

[goofy's friends]

Nothing much wrong with Washington Post, MSNBC, and the BBC.

Except that you don't get much more liberal than that.

 

[transparant]

Great news about the death of a terrorist pig and 7 of his demons!!

Nations rejoice when justice is done!

A big thank you to our troops, allies, Iraqi's, and our Commander-in-Chief.

And a pox on yet another goofy conspiracy theory. Pathetic.