Cm's suppose to stop group chanting

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THIS.. As a former CM we were trained to never enter situations that could be potentially dangerous or difficult to manage (such as a huge group vs. one CM) and when in doubt to call a Manager or Supervisor for help, it is generally very easy for CMs to call for help if they choose to do so.

In the worst case scenario Security is called if things are truly out of hand, however, the reality is that I doubt that a group of singing teens is at the top of the priority list of incidents for Security to respond to. This is something that will likely have to be handled by CMs and Managers/Supervisors.

If large tour groups are causing a disruption by blocking pathways, yelling, chanting, line cutting, etc and that is viewed as "potentially dangerous or difficult to manage" perhaps Disney needs to reevaluate their welcome mat to these large tour groups.
 
Yes, they are there too. I have never heard them chanting at Universal though, but that may just be a coincidence.

We got stuck with a massive group of them one September inside Hogwarts for Forbidden Journey. We were in the room where Harry, Ron, and Hermione appear and do their thing and this group just started chanting at the top of their lungs. Luckily everyone else was able to tell them to shut up in a much louder voice and they stopped. Very annoying.
 
Yes, they are there too. I have never heard them chanting at Universal though, but that may just be a coincidence.
Believe me they chant at UOR and Sea World and Busch Gardens and etc.-they are equal opportunity chanters!lol:)

They aso do a killer job singing "Happy Birthday"!(Yes,they sang "Happy Birthday" to me last month-SEVERAL times!!!!lol:))
 
To me the main behaviour I would take issue with is if they were screaming and shouting outside my room post midnight, and to be told that I should expect that to happen, which another poster seems to have been told by the resort manager, as it's Latin Season is completely unacceptable. I think that everyone has a right to be able to sleep at a reasonable hour in the resort that you have paid to sleep in.
There are some behaviours that are universal, and not cultural and the right to be able to sleep in a hotel room at a reasonable hour is one of them.
 

At DHS in July we saw a very large tour group (Venezuelan I think) and it was the chaperon/leaders that started the chanting!!! :scared1::scared1:
The CMs that were around quickly spoke to the leaders and they did quiet down.... but noticed alot of rolling eyes and laughter from the leaders as well. I thought they (the tour group) were horribly disrespectful!! So the kids just repeat the behaviors of the adults! But they were headed out so not sure how long they kept it quiet.
 
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We got stuck with a massive group of them one September inside Hogwarts for Forbidden Journey. We were in the room where Harry, Ron, and Hermione appear and do their thing and this group just started chanting at the top of their lungs. Luckily everyone else was able to tell them to shut up in a much louder voice and they stopped. Very annoying.

That is annoying! Especially there, ugh!
 
The thing with the chanting and cheering that they don't seem to get is that there's a time, place and limit to it. You don't do it when you're in line in an enclosed space. But, hey you want to do a little bit of it when people are filing into the amphitheater waiting for Fantasmic to start, fine. As long as you aren't constantly going back and forth with another group trying to drown each other out for five minutes before CM's finally intervened.

I've never understood why these large groups have to all stick together. It might make things better if they could at least split up into smaller groups of 15-20 at most. Our school sends down their band and chorus kids every three years to perform and spend some time at Disney World and they don't make them all do everything together. Their rules are: 1) Everyone, kids and chaperons, go to the same one park per day, 2) You have to go to the park; you can't hang out at the hotel and 3) You need to be in a group of at least 4 people. It works great. All of the kids may be in one park; but they're spread throughout instead of all of them being in one spot. Is there honestly some reason these groups couldn't do something like that too?

To me the bottom line though is that you spend a good amount of money for a Disney vacation. And your money spends just as good to Disney as the tour groups' money does. If you run into these groups and they're bothering you by cutting in line, constantly chanting or something like that, complain to a CM. If they can't/won't do anything, find a manager and complain. And if they're at your resort and bothering you, complain to the management there. Tell them you want a different room. If a different room at that resort won't help, demand they put you up at another resort of equal or greater value at no charge to you. Yes, they have a right to book these groups into their hotels. But you have just as much right to enjoy every moment of your vacation, especially when they want to charge you the prices they do.
 
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I've never understood why these large groups have to all stick together. It might make things better if they could at least split up into smaller groups of 15-20 at most. Our school sends down their band and chorus kids every three years to perform and spend some time at Disney World and they don't make them all do everything together. Their rules are: 1) Everyone, kids and chaperons, go to the same one park per day, 2) You have to go to the park; you can't hang out at the hotel and 3) You need to be in a group of at least 4 people. It works great. All of the kids may be in one park; but they're spread throughout instead of all of them being in one spot. Is there honestly some reason these groups couldn't do something like that too?

I think that is the biggest problem, the size of the groups. I have worked at summer programs for high schoolers which included taking them to theme parks and we did exactly the same thing you described. We had a rule that you had to check in with your chaperone every hour or so. Sometimes we would go around with the kids, but the groups were maybe 10 max.

I really don't think they should be allowed to march around in such large groups. If they need more chaperones, then they should have to hire them.
 
About culture ...

Walt Disney World is, more than it is anything else, just that. A painstakingly-crafted, meticulously-executed, brilliantly-manipulated and very delicately balanced social environment critically dependent upon the subordination of the world's diverse work-a-day norms to its unique, ethereal, neverland commandments. Disney properties and ships are, perhaps, the planet's most advanced escape mechanisms. If not that, they are certainly its most successful.

And discordant, internally-inappropriate behavior is their mortal enemy.

So, I have never been able to understand why an individual or a group - hailing from any point on the globe - arrives at a Disney port or portal intent upon
re-creating just another day in their grindingly-ordinary and infrequently-magical neighborhood. Or why Disney seems intent upon permitting its land and sea resorts to become culturally ... mundane.

The two are, to me, mysteries that I hope are resolved in favor of the perpetuation of fantasy-on-the-grand-scale ... sooner rather than later.
 
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If large tour groups are causing a disruption by blocking pathways, (yes, that can be potentially dangerous), yelling, (no, that is not potentially dangerous), chanting, (no, that is not potentially dangerous), line cutting, (that is flat out against the rules), etc and that is viewed as "potentially dangerous or difficult to manage" perhaps Disney needs to reevaluate their welcome mat to these large tour groups.

What is happening here, (in the quoted post as well as many others), is changing the topic from "group chanting" to "potentially dangerous" conduct. If people want to debate the obnoxiousness (or not) of kids chanting, that is fine. But let's not twist the argument to suggest that chanting is in and of itself dangerous, and then pile on against the conduct due to that presumed effect. If anyone wants to start a thread about large groups pushing, shoving and cutting lines, I don't think there will be much of a debate other than for people to say "I agree". But let's not move "chanting" over into the "dangerous" column and then tie it to the whipping post. Many (most?) groups who chant and cheer do not also engage in the dangerous conduct. The cheer groups that I have seen have been pretty decent in terms of park rules. They simply chant and cheer their lungs out. Was I bummed when I rushed from TSMM to RnR right after RD hoping to do both rides with minimal wait only to fine 400, (yes, you read that right...400) cheer squad members in line 10 minutes after park opening? Sure I was. When I saw that the SB wait time was posted at 75 minutes only 10 minutes after opening, I asked a CM what they heck happened. And the answer was: "400 cheerleaders just arrived and all went over to RnR for their first ride." And they were entitled to do that. And they were well behaved. And they chanted and cheered for most of the wait.
 
Changing your plans out of fear of these groups is the height of overreaction.
What is happening here, (in the quoted post as well as many others), is changing the topic from "group chanting" to "potentially dangerous" conduct. .

More so the latter for me. I'm more concerned about the line cutting and monopolization of resources. Coming from a population-dense city, respect for queues is a societal necessity. My DGF and I would voice our displeasure about 1, lest 50, persons trying to jump ahead of us. It would not be an ideal situation if they responded to us with a “no English.”

Decades ago, at a local Six Flags, I saw line jumpers removed and their names noted by State Troopers. Problem solved.
 
More so the latter for me.
Understandable. But it is just impossible to predict by calendar date when large groups of line cutters will appear. Call it an "overreaction" or call it an "impossibility". But if one is trying to pick a time when "1, lest 50 persons jump ahead of you", you will end up staying home. No one can say, for example: "In the first week of July, groups of chanters will start to appear, and in the second week, those groups will also include line cutters." There is simply no way for anyone to predict that.
 
The thing with the chanting and cheering that they don't seem to get is that there's a time, place and limit to it. You don't do it when you're in line in an enclosed space. But, hey you want to do a little bit of it when people are filing into the amphitheater waiting for Fantasmic to start, fine. As long as you aren't constantly going back and forth with another group trying to drown each other out for five minutes before CM's finally intervened.

I've never understood why these large groups have to all stick together. It might make things better if they could at least split up into smaller groups of 15-20 at most. Our school sends down their band and chorus kids every three years to perform and spend some time at Disney World and they don't make them all do everything together. Their rules are: 1) Everyone, kids and chaperons, go to the same one park per day, 2) You have to go to the park; you can't hang out at the hotel and 3) You need to be in a group of at least 4 people. It works great. All of the kids may be in one park; but they're spread throughout instead of all of them being in one spot. Is there honestly some reason these groups couldn't do something like that too?

To me the bottom line though is that you spend a good amount of money for a Disney vacation. And your money spends just as good to Disney as the tour groups' money does. If you run into these groups and they're bothering you by cutting in line, constantly chanting or something like that, complain to a CM. If they can't/won't do anything, find a manager and complain. And if they're at your resort and bothering you, complain to the management there. Tell them you want a different room. If a different room at that resort won't help, demand they put you up at another resort of equal or greater value at no charge to you. Yes, they have a right to book these groups into their hotels. But you have just as much right to enjoy every moment of your vacation, especially when they want to charge you the prices they do.

I agree, don't stop with a castmember who does not want to get involved, ask to speak to a manager, and then be sure to e-mail WDW guest relations once home.
 
Then they weren't well behaved. The line for a theme park attraction is not a proper place to practice a cheer routine.
Is there a published rule anywhere on your ticket or at the park entrance that states that this behavior is specifically prohibited? I have not seen one. Maybe I have just missed it. And if there is no such rule, then the cheerleaders were "behaving" in a manner within the bounds of the rules. Just not in a manner that you personally approve of. No pushing. No shoving. No line cutting. No flash photography. No standing up on the ride. No selfie sticks. Nothing that could endanger anyone else. I know that many here would like to see teenagers behave like that they are in church, but I have never seen a rule demanding that this be the case. Again, maybe I have missed it. All I can find is "no profanity" and no illegal or disruptive behavior. Clearly, "disruptive" is a matter of opinion and very hard to enforce. I was not "disrupted" in line. Maybe you would have been.
 
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Is there a published rule anywhere on your ticket or at the park entrance that states that this behavior is specifically prohibited? I have not seen one. Maybe I have just missed it. And if there is no such rule, then the cheerleaders were "behaving" in a manner within the bounds of the rules. Just not in a manner that you personally approve of. No pushing. No shoving. No line cutting. No flash photography. No standing up on the ride. No selfie sticks. Nothing that could endanger anyone else. I know that many here would like to see teenagers behave like that they are in church, but I have never seen a rule demanding that this be the case. Again, maybe I have missed it. All I can find is "no profanity" and no illegal or disruptive behavior. Clearly, "disruptive" is a matter of opinion and very hard to enforce. I was not "disrupted" in line. Maybe you would have been.

To me, the question is simply whether or not Disney will retain control of its culture.

Note: And, yes, I do realize that with that comment I’ve just endorsed a benevolent (albeit profit-possessed) dictatorship ...:)

For instance:

Is there any form or manner of audible, non-confrontational expression (including, but not limited to, Speaking, Shouting, Yelling, Chanting, Singing, Preaching, Praying, Reading, Reciting, Rapping, Stomping, Clapping) ...

or any volume level ...

or any content ...

that you would expect Disney to ban (or regulate) within its Imagineered Queues designed to entertain all of its captive-if-they-want-to-ride guests as they wait their turns or in the Imagineered Parks designed to amuse and schmooze all of its guests as they move between those attractions and/or shopping and dining venues?

And, if there is one (or more) on your list, do you think that Disney's evidently long-standing refusal to end the behaviors ascribed to "chanting teens" in this thread might make it extremely difficult (given that consistent prior practice) to curtail any others?

ETA: But perhaps a polite "For the comfort and convenience of all of our Guests, we request that they maintain a courteous, conversational volume of speech within our queues and in the common areas of our Resorts and Parks" on those tickets might be helpful. For everyone.

Note: I have never witnessed any of these behaviors. And I am aware that the content of the chants and cheers being discussed here is not an issue.
 
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THATS FUNNY


It sounds like you had an awful experience so I can understand why you are so passionate about this.
thank you for understanding. most of us who have had horrible experiences with these groups are irritated at the start. from their behaviour. then frustrated by disney's refusal to do anything about it. then to rub salt in the wound , when describing the situations on the disboards. people sa oh my you must be grumpy.. what's the big deal let the teens have fun blah blah... o we paid to be there, just as those parents paid for their kids to be there, I don't care if it's "latin month" THEY are not MY guests. MY FAMILY is DISNEY"S guests. apply the rules to all the guests.

(and just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen)
 
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Just got back from our 8 day trip yesterday and saw many of the tour groups, but never heard them chanting or singing. I never waited in line with them, though. If I saw them going one direction, I headed the complete opposite lol! We also had a bunch of them at our resort and I never heard anything out of them, so maybe they are enforcing the no chanting/singing thing.
 
Is there a published rule anywhere on your ticket or at the park entrance that states that this behavior is specifically prohibited?

I don't think I've seen anyone argue that chanting by tour groups is strictly prohibited. Instead what almost everyone agrees is that the behavior is completely rude and shows a lack of respect for fellow guests of the park. In society, there are many types of behavior which are technically are not prohibited but are nonetheless considered extremely rude. This is one of those examples. I'm not sure why you don't get that as you generally seem like a rationale person on most other threads.
 
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