CM missing from Wonder 03/22/11??

[Bill Seattle]

The facts are not adding up???

While I agree the two scenarios don’t add up most of what you stated is probably false rumor. The only fact confirmed by DCL is that she did not show up to her shift on Tuesday morning.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

First and foremost the whole situation is unfortunate as I can't imagine the pain this family is going through. I will say that what I've found interesting and perhaps sad from some of the posts on here is how people reacted to this. I find it very unfortunate that people were quick to point fingers and some even demanding that "we have a right to know" and going so far as to call CNN because of this "right". Let me just say that first of all people dissapear daily and we don't always hear about it. I'm just saying I don't know that we have a right to know certain information. It's more a desire to know really. We're curious by nature. Obviously the parties that NEEDED to know information was given that information but ultimately, it's not Disney's place to explain anything to us. I don't think it's appropriate to hold Disney responsible for people's actions on it's boat (unless they are an employee and their actions affects another employee or a guest). Keeping in mind, you are on a boat with thousands of people. Do you REALLY know these people next to you? Just because it's Disney you think everyone should act and be a certain way? The best they can do is try to hire responsible people (which is a numerous amount of people mind you) and hope that these employees do their best to maintain the Disney standards. With that said, people are going to slip through the cracks as you can't truly know what's in the heart and mind of those around you. If you did, we would all be safe and deaths could be preventable. It's stressful enough to worry about the safety of my own child and who I should trust him with. With that said, it's not like background checks are performed on guests of these boats. Perhaps that's something to think about. That person serving your dinner, making your drink, watching your kids or even sitting next to you at the pool; what's REALLY going on in their head and their heart? Does a smile and a bit of banter mean you know them and they should be trusted? Really? No. This then leads me to believe that I have no right to point fingers at anyone and demanding it's my place to know anything. Again, I can't imagine what this family is going through but perhaps it's more their place to point the finger than it is any of ours.

Well said.............in the future all should think before we decide that something like this is not a private matter.......or we have the *right to kniow* or the right to pass on rumors and stories to news agncies..

.....But for the grace of God go we!

AKK

 

[Mindyjoy]

Just a reminder that we all should probably keep from posting anything to do with speculation and rumors, and stick to what is being reported via the news and press releases.

 

[Mindyjoy]

The missing women's sister, who spoke publically at the press conference, posted a publically available photo on her Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/rachcoriam

The missing woman also has a facebook page with 500+ friends; she was obviously very well liked. It also looks like she just graduated from university last year. Very sad.

 

[CalDisfans]

We are sailing on the Wonder Sunday. I've had friends call me up asking if I've heard about this, asking, "What will you say, or do around the CMs? Do you mention it or not?" I have been praying & pondering this, and praying hard for her safe return. But whatever the outcome is, all I can do is, just be me. I'm just going to give extra hugs (I'm a hugger!), an extra few seconds in a handshake, a few kind support words to the CMs, letting them know sooo many people from around the globe are thinking of them, and praying for Rebecca & her family. Hopefully the love and excitement of many just getting on this Sunday will help them feel loved & supported. Any other thoughts anyone?

 

[sabrecmc]

The facts are not adding up???
1) If someone saw her jump off the ship then they would or should have sounded the alarm for that and ship would have stopped ASAP and a search for her would have began then at 3:00am.
then we hear...
2) The 1st notice of her missing was not showing up for work, which seems to be the logical thing to notice her missing then and to start looking for her after a time of her past even being late to work.
3) Something is a miss, if they asked to look in all cabins, and in every single place on the ship??

I'm not sure how official any of the timeline really is at this point, but I sort of understood it to be that she didn't show up, PA announcements were made, and a search of cabins was done. At the same time, I'm sure they were also checking the camera footage, which might be where the 3am overboard time comes from. So, it could just be different things being done trying to figure it out when they couldn't locate her.

I'm sure they have procedures for these things that probably require certain searches to be done. It sounds like from other, similar situations, the PA and guestroom search are routinely done in times like this. I don't think there is anything inherently suspicious about the timeline as we know it.

 

[MandMLUVMMandDVC]

First and foremost the whole situation is unfortunate as I can't imagine the pain this family is going through. I will say that what I've found interesting and perhaps sad from some of the posts on here is how people reacted to this. I find it very unfortunate that people were quick to point fingers and some even demanding that "we have a right to know" and going so far as to call CNN because of this "right". Let me just say that first of all people dissapear daily and we don't always hear about it. I'm just saying I don't know that we have a right to know certain information. It's more a desire to know really. We're curious by nature. Obviously the parties that NEEDED to know information was given that information but ultimately, it's not Disney's place to explain anything to us. I don't think it's appropriate to hold Disney responsible for people's actions on it's boat (unless they are an employee and their actions affects another employee or a guest). Keeping in mind, you are on a boat with thousands of people. Do you REALLY know these people next to you? Just because it's Disney you think everyone should act and be a certain way? The best they can do is try to hire responsible people (which is a numerous amount of people mind you) and hope that these employees do their best to maintain the Disney standards. With that said, people are going to slip through the cracks as you can't truly know what's in the heart and mind of those around you. If you did, we would all be safe and deaths could be preventable. It's stressful enough to worry about the safety of my own child and who I should trust him with. With that said, it's not like background checks are performed on guests of these boats. Perhaps that's something to think about. That person serving your dinner, making your drink, watching your kids or even sitting next to you at the pool; what's REALLY going on in their head and their heart? Does a smile and a bit of banter mean you know them and they should be trusted? Really? No. This then leads me to believe that I have no right to point fingers at anyone and demanding it's my place to know anything. Again, I can't imagine what this family is going through but perhaps it's more their place to point the finger than it is any of ours.

well said

 

[got2travel]

We are sailing on the Wonder Sunday. I've had friends call me up asking if I've heard about this, asking, "What will you say, or do around the CMs? Do you mention it or not?" I have been praying & pondering this, and praying hard for her safe return. But whatever the outcome is, all I can do is, just be me. I'm just going to give extra hugs (I'm a hugger!), an extra few seconds in a handshake, a few kind support words to the CMs, letting them know sooo many people from around the globe are thinking of them, and praying for Rebecca & her family. Hopefully the love and excitement of many just getting on this Sunday will help them feel loved & supported. Any other thoughts anyone?

I think you're on the right track. I wouldn't bring it up, unless a CM mentions it first. Just give the hugs and handshakes and a silent prayer for that CM as you interact.

 

[aztodd]

We are sailing on the Wonder Sunday. I've had friends call me up asking if I've heard about this, asking, "What will you say, or do around the CMs? Do you mention it or not?" I have been praying & pondering this, and praying hard for her safe return. But whatever the outcome is, all I can do is, just be me. I'm just going to give extra hugs (I'm a hugger!), an extra few seconds in a handshake, a few kind support words to the CMs, letting them know sooo many people from around the globe are thinking of them, and praying for Rebecca & her family. Hopefully the love and excitement of many just getting on this Sunday will help them feel loved & supported. Any other thoughts anyone?

I will be setting sail this Sunday on the Wonder as well. This whole situation has made the upcoming trip bittersweet. My family and I had been looking forward to a week of fun and "leaving your cares behind". But now I approach it with a just a tiny bit of trepidation, wondering what the poor CMs are going through and how it's affected their psyche. And I have to admit, it's a little unsettling not knowing all the circumstances involved in Rebecca's disappearance.

As a previous poster had mentioned, it has not been entirely confirmed yet as to whether or not foul play was involved. I understand that as of right now, that is not the case, but who is to say more facts leading to the contrary will not be discovered? Then another side of me thinks, why am I creating all these hypothetical situations. I'm starting to become "one of those people" who create their own fears without all the facts. So I think the plan is to go in with a positive attitude and react based on facts and try to have a good time.

With me being naturally inquisitive, I can see myself bringing up the recent events with some of the CMs and gauging their thoughts on the matter. Of course, I'd do so with the utmost highest level of tact.

 

[MommaMouse411]

wow this is sad. prayers to her family and friends.

 

[Bill Seattle]

I will be setting sail this Sunday on the Wonder as well. This whole situation has made the upcoming trip bittersweet. My family and I had been looking forward to a week of fun and "leaving your cares behind".

Disney has been successfully entertaining families since before most of us were even born. Occasionally tragedy strikes everywhere and Disney is still and always will be in the business having fun and “leaving your cares behind.” This won’t change for the 3/27 sailing. What might be more unsettling is how it will probably seem as business as usual on the ship.

With me being naturally inquisitive, I can see myself bringing up the recent events with some of the CMs and gauging their thoughts on the matter. Of course, I'd do so with the utmost highest level of tact.

Personally, I would not do that. For reasons you specifically mention as concerns I imagine the CMs will be reluctant to talk about the recent events. You can indirectly show your concerns and sympathy without directly talking about it.

 

[pearljammer]

......With me being naturally inquisitive, I can see myself bringing up the recent events with some of the CMs and gauging their thoughts on the matter. Of course, I'd do so with the utmost highest level of tact.

Personally, I think it's tacky. Leave it alone unless it's brought up to you. Did it ever occur to you perhaps they don't WANT to talk about it?! Especially to strangers?! Geez people!! Go about your business and enjoy life!

 

[CalDisfans]

Well said AZTodd. Hopefully we'll meet ya onboard. (Just look for the lady hugging everybody!) My DH said, giving smiles, love, an extra hug, or handshake, and allowing them to do their jobs with dignity & respect is a good idea. If some want to talk, I will be a listening ear..

 

[Jonny626]

I was on the Wonder the week prior and I remember her. I didn't really get to know her but she seemed like a sweet girl with the true spirit of Disney. I hope she is found safe and returns to her family. This is so sad.

 

[jiminyC_fan]

First and foremost the whole situation is unfortunate as I can't imagine the pain this family is going through. I will say that what I've found interesting and perhaps sad from some of the posts on here is how people reacted to this. I find it very unfortunate that people were quick to point fingers and some even demanding that "we have a right to know" and going so far as to call CNN because of this "right". Let me just say that first of all people dissapear daily and we don't always hear about it. I'm just saying I don't know that we have a right to know certain information. It's more a desire to know really. We're curious by nature. Obviously the parties that NEEDED to know information was given that information but ultimately, it's not Disney's place to explain anything to us. I don't think it's appropriate to hold Disney responsible for people's actions on it's boat (unless they are an employee and their actions affects another employee or a guest). Keeping in mind, you are on a boat with thousands of people. Do you REALLY know these people next to you? Just because it's Disney you think everyone should act and be a certain way? The best they can do is try to hire responsible people (which is a numerous amount of people mind you) and hope that these employees do their best to maintain the Disney standards. With that said, people are going to slip through the cracks as you can't truly know what's in the heart and mind of those around you. If you did, we would all be safe and deaths could be preventable. It's stressful enough to worry about the safety of my own child and who I should trust him with. With that said, it's not like background checks are performed on guests of these boats. Perhaps that's something to think about. That person serving your dinner, making your drink, watching your kids or even sitting next to you at the pool; what's REALLY going on in their head and their heart? Does a smile and a bit of banter mean you know them and they should be trusted? Really? No. This then leads me to believe that I have no right to point fingers at anyone and demanding it's my place to know anything. Again, I can't imagine what this family is going through but perhaps it's more their place to point the finger than it is any of ours.

Thank you. I have typed and deleted and typed and deleted all day trying to say what you did so eloquently. We don't always need to know everything or before its time. We don't need to speculate as that turns into gossip and rumors. Too much info can compromise a criminal case.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I agree completely, but yesterday the site admins were implored by supposed CM's to close this thread based on the families desire to keep this a private matter. Obviously that is not the case and makes yesterdays drama moot.

No one CHOSE to come forward, until AFTER, the media was notified. Sometimes, you have a difference of opinion, even amongst family members. But, it is a moot point because someone, other than Disney, the authorities or the family, decided the media should be alerted. No press conferences were made, until AFTER someone (other than those directly involved) decided this tragic event should be made public. Has anything positive come from this?

 

[goofy4tink]

I will be setting sail this Sunday on the Wonder as well. This whole situation has made the upcoming trip bittersweet. My family and I had been looking forward to a week of fun and "leaving your cares behind". But now I approach it with a just a tiny bit of trepidation, wondering what the poor CMs are going through and how it's affected their psyche. And I have to admit, it's a little unsettling not knowing all the circumstances involved in Rebecca's disappearance.

As a previous poster had mentioned, it has not been entirely confirmed yet as to whether or not foul play was involved. I understand that as of right now, that is not the case, but who is to say more facts leading to the contrary will not be discovered? Then another side of me thinks, why am I creating all these hypothetical situations. I'm starting to become "one of those people" who create their own fears without all the facts. So I think the plan is to go in with a positive attitude and react based on facts and try to have a good time.

With me being naturally inquisitive, I can see myself bringing up the recent events with some of the CMs and gauging their thoughts on the matter. Of course, I'd do so with the utmost highest level of tact.

While I'm sure your intentions are well meant, I think Disney would be horrified if any of the Wonder CMs spoke about this incident! Do you really want to get a CM in trouble? There is no amount of tact that could be used to open this kind of conversation.

I'm sure the CMs will go about their jobs pretty much the same as usual. I would imagine that if no one had heard about this 'situation', you would be hard pressed to feel any difference in onboard treatment. But, we do know about it (well, as much as can be known at the moment)..so we are naturally going to be looking for differences.

So, go, have fun. Try not to dwell on this. I'm sure the CMs will appreciate that more than having a discussion about it.

 

[aztodd]

Personally, I think it's tacky. Leave it alone unless it's brought up to you. Did it ever occur to you perhaps they don't WANT to talk about it?! Especially to strangers?! Geez people!! Go about your business and enjoy life!

I totally understand where you're coming from and respect your opinion. But I must admit, it'll be hard to ignore the huge elephant sitting on the Mickey Mouse stool in the middle of the room. Nobody is saying to barrage the CMs with a tommy-gun load of questions. I also don't plan on rolling up my sleeves and dragging anyone into a dimly lit room and demanding "Where were you on the night of…?!"

I am simply saying that a mature, adult conversation (sans anything sensational or exploitative) about recent events can be helpful. Sometimes talking about things, rather than ignoring them, can be the best therapy. The same knee-jerk assumption applied when everyone proclaimed that "the family doesn't want to talk about this". Yet, here we are, and the family has made this very public. And I think that was good move. If my daughter was missing, I'd want the world to know about it, in order to employ as many resources as possible to find her.

I agree with you to a certain extent, that one should not always meddle in other people's business. But, this IS my business. My children are going to be in the care of these CMs for X amount of hours without my being present. Take this example. If you were enrolling your child into pre-school, and just learned that 2 days ago, a teacher went missing during school hours, would you just drop off your child no questions asked?

It would comfort me as parent to know that the elephant in the room has been recognized by both parties. And perhaps the CM would appreciate that a parent would care enough to address it. A scenario can go one of two ways:

a) "Here's my kid. I'll be back in 8 hours."

b) "I heard about what happened. How are you holding up? I just want you to know that our thoughts and prayers are with you all."

If the conversation evolves, then it evolves. If not, then case closed. I'm sure the CM would be glad to know that a "customer" empathizes and is aware of what is going on, as opposed to being indifferent and only concerned about how long the line is at the water slide.

I guess it just depends on the person. I am a "people person" and a proponent of interpersonal communication. I consider myself to be highly respectful and compasionate human being and I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize the intergrity of that. And who knows…I may exhibit restraint if it doesn't feel appropriate. I'm not a complete jerk .

Perhaps this was way too over-analytical, but I knew of no other way to get my point across.

And as sidenote, this will not only be my very first Disney cruise, but my first cruise EVER. I'm stoked. Regardless of everything else, I am very excited and can't wait to hop aboard the Wonder. This forum has been extrememly helpful in preparing for the trip and I am grateful for the knowledgable and obviously close-knit community on here. I could only wish that other internet forums would conduct themselves in the same courteous and friendly manner as they do on disboards.com.


CalDisfans - Hope to see ya on board too! I'll be the guy giving smiles and handshakes right next to ya.

 

[aztodd]

While I'm sure your intentions are well meant, I think Disney would be horrified if any of the Wonder CMs spoke about this incident! Do you really want to get a CM in trouble? There is no amount of tact that could be used to open this kind of conversation.

I'm sure the CMs will go about their jobs pretty much the same as usual. I would imagine that if no one had heard about this 'situation', you would be hard pressed to feel any difference in onboard treatment. But, we do know about it (well, as much as can be known at the moment)..so we are naturally going to be looking for differences.

So, go, have fun. Try not to dwell on this. I'm sure the CMs will appreciate that more than having a discussion about it.

Perhaps you're right. You guys have been on these cruises many times before and this is only my first time. Maybe I'll "get it", once I experience it. I definitely appreciate your opinion.

 

[TitanBrett]

No one CHOSE to come forward, until AFTER, the media was notified. Sometimes, you have a difference of opinion, even amongst family members. But, it is a moot point because someone, other than Disney, the authorities or the family, decided the media should be alerted. No press conferences were made, until AFTER someone (other than those directly involved) decided this tragic event should be made public. Has anything positive come from this?

Well I dont think we will ever know(or care) what the exact moment is that they decided to have a press conference was, my only point which you seem to agree with is that it made yesterdays drama a waste of time.

As far as what positive has come from this thread? Very Little. Though I would say that very little negatives have come from this thread as well.