Cindy Sheehan Arrested at Capitol

[dcentity2000]

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions

...

and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

Ta Tigger_Magic, I gotcha



Rich::

 

[3princesses4us]

Um, you may want to hold off on the name-calling. Unless, that is, you've already considered the simple fact that none of those other people invaded the country based on that information. Oh, I'm sure you'll just write them off as cowards, and discount the fact that there was plenty of contrary information out there and some of those people, unlike Shrub, are willing to listen to opposing viewpoints.

But it's always fun being called a hypocrite by someone that supports George Bush.

And it's always fun to be lectured on name calling by someone who so disrespectfully refers to the leader of the free world as "Shrub".
For the record, I'm sorry if the word hypocrite bothered you. I simply meant that on this issue (WMD), your party is being hypocritical. As Tigger Magic helped me point out, leaders on both sides of the aisle thought they had enough credible evidence pointing to his stockpiling WMDs. But in your post as late as #177 where you are substituting the word Balkans for Iraquis, you still state that "Bush lied" about WMDs in order to go to war. If the quotes of your fellow Democrats are to be believed, then they lied right along with him. What's the difference? They all stated their opinion on the record and they all hold a major office in this country and influence people with their statements. That's all I was trying to point out. It wasn't just him making something up by himself.

 

[Dabbler]

The US lawmaker who invited prominent peace protester Cindy Sheehan to attend President George W. Bush's State of the Union speech slammed the activist's removal from the event and arrest for wearing a tee shirt with an antiwar message.

"Since when is free speech conditional on whether you agree with the President?" said Representative Lynn Woolsey (news, bio, voting record) in a statement, one day after Sheehan -- a prominent activist whose soldier son was killed in Iraq -- was removed from the House chamber.

"Cindy Sheehan, who gave her own flesh and blood for this disastrous war, did not violate any rules of the House of Representatives. She merely wore a shirt that highlighted the human cost of the Iraq war and expressed a view different than that of the President," the Democrat said.

"Free speech and the First Amendment exist to protect dissenting statements like Ms. Sheehan's last night."



Now i wondered if Miss Sheehan had of went to Iraq and wore the same shirt would she had been arrested ? After all aren't we fighting for a FREE AND DEMOCRATIC Iraq or is that just for Iraqi's - just a thought

 

[MrsKreamer]

The US lawmaker who invited prominent peace protester Cindy Sheehan to attend President George W. Bush's State of the Union speech slammed the activist's removal from the event and arrest for wearing a tee shirt with an antiwar message.

"Since when is free speech conditional on whether you agree with the President?" said Representative Lynn Woolsey (news, bio, voting record) in a statement, one day after Sheehan -- a prominent activist whose soldier son was killed in Iraq -- was removed from the House chamber.

"Cindy Sheehan, who gave her own flesh and blood for this disastrous war, did not violate any rules of the House of Representatives. She merely wore a shirt that highlighted the human cost of the Iraq war and expressed a view different than that of the President," the Democrat said.

"Free speech and the First Amendment exist to protect dissenting statements like Ms. Sheehan's last night."



Now i wondered if Miss Sheehan had of went to Iraq and wore the same shirt would she had been arrested ? After all aren't we fighting for a FREE AND DEMOCRATIC Iraq or is that just for Iraqi's - just a thought

Now I wonder is Rep Woolsley will be just as concerned over the first amendment rights of the Reps wife who was also escorted out b/c of a t-shirt. Or are you only to be vindicated if you are on the left?

 

[dcentity2000]

And it's always fun to be lectured on name calling by someone who so disrespectfully refers to the leader of the free world as "Shrub".

How highly insulting. Leader of the free world? Have ye never wondered what's beyond the borders of America?

For the record, I'm sorry if the word hypocrite bothered you. I simply meant that on this issue (WMD), your party is being hypocritical. As Tigger Magic helped me point out, leaders on both sides of the aisle thought they had enough credible evidence pointing to his stockpiling WMDs. But in your post as late as #177 where you are substituting the word Balkans for Iraquis, you still state that "Bush lied" about WMDs in order to go to war. If the quotes of your fellow Democrats are to be believed, then they lied right along with him. What's the difference? They all stated their opinion on the record and they all hold a major office in this country and influence people with their statements. That's all I was trying to point out. It wasn't just him making something up by himself.

Bush stated as a fact that Hussein had stockpiles of WMDs, as did Blair, even though the intelligence said otherwise. He was aware of said evidence and therefore told a fib. Blair even went on to say that said WMDs were in possession along with a 45 minute launch window.

A lie, FYI, is an incorrect statement (actus reus) communicated where the teller has knowledge that the statement is false or highy unstable (mens rea).



Rich::

 

[bsnyder]

Bush stated as a fact that Hussein had stockpiles of WMDs...

As did a number of Democrats, including some of the ones listed by TM in the post at the top of the page. Did they lie too?

 

[dcentity2000]

As did a number of Democrats, including some of the ones listed by TM in the post at the top of the page. Did they lie too?

I guess it depends. If they had access to full intelligence then yes, they lied. If they didn't have access to the evidence then no, although it's guessing which is nearly as bad.



Rich::

 

[Island_Lauri]

You're welcome to stay or go, doesn't matter to or affect me one way or the other. I'm not quick to say anything about where you live; I don't care where you live. And she's free to exercise her right to dissent all day long, AS LONG AS SHE DOES IT ACCORDING TO THE LAW, which evidently she did not at the SOTU address. And for that, she was rightfully detained. Unless, of course, you are saying that it should be OK to protest however you want, even if it means you break the law, whether you agree with the law or not?


If you're issue is with the law, then don't defend HER, b/c she's clearly breaking it. People aren't attacking this woman for her beliefs, they're attacking her b/c she is expressing her opinions in over-the-top, unlawful ways, and needs to get herself some help before she really loses it. She's welcome to her opinions, just express them in a manner that befits them, which she's not. She is one of over 2,400 mothers who have experienced the same thing, and most probably is NOT the only mother who feels the way she does (i.e. opposed to the war), but IS the only mother you see going on a psycho rampage about it. THAT'S what people can't stand about her. She's making herself look like an idiot.

Guess it wasn't really so clear that she was breaking the law:

"WASHINGTON - Charges against antiwar protester Cindy Sheehan, who was arrested after an incident involving a T-shirt she wore to the State of the Union address, will be dropped, officials told NBC News Wednesday.

U.S. Capitol Police took Sheehan away in handcuffs and charged her with unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor, when she showed up to President Bush’s address Tuesday night wearing a shirt that read, “2245 Dead. How many more?” — a reference to the number of soldiers killed in Iraq.

But Capitol Police will ask the U.S. attorney's office to drop the charges, NBC News’ Mike Viqueira reported Wednesday.

“We screwed up,” a top Capitol Police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He said Sheehan didn't violate any rules or laws.

Sheehan, whose son Casey died in Iraq, was not the only one ejected from the House gallery. The wife of a powerful Republican congressman was also asked to leave, but she was not arrested."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353/

Now that you know that she CLEARLY didn't break any laws, do you believe that she should have been free to exercise her right to dissent?

 

[conciergekelly]

I am looking everywhere to see a link to that matter , and I find it nowhere. A lot of people get divorced when they loose a child. In none of the stories I,ve read so far it is said thet her familly has disavohe(spell?) her , or that she doesn't see her other childreen ( I dont even know if she has some)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehan.asp This one addresses the divorce and her relationship rumor .

it came from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_sheehan

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Guess it wasn't really so clear that she was breaking the law:

"WASHINGTON - Charges against antiwar protester Cindy Sheehan, who was arrested after an incident involving a T-shirt she wore to the State of the Union address, will be dropped, officials told NBC News Wednesday.

U.S. Capitol Police took Sheehan away in handcuffs and charged her with unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor, when she showed up to President Bush’s address Tuesday night wearing a shirt that read, “2245 Dead. How many more?” — a reference to the number of soldiers killed in Iraq.

But Capitol Police will ask the U.S. attorney's office to drop the charges, NBC News’ Mike Viqueira reported Wednesday.

“We screwed up,” a top Capitol Police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He said Sheehan didn't violate any rules or laws.

Sheehan, whose son Casey died in Iraq, was not the only one ejected from the House gallery. The wife of a powerful Republican congressman was also asked to leave, but she was not arrested."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353/

Now that you know that she CLEARLY didn't break any laws, do you believe that she should have been free to exercise her right to dissent?

Well that clearly shuts down all who were outraged, outraged, I tell you, by what a rule breaker Cindy Sheehan was! She broke no rule and committed no crime...what a disgrace!

 

[bsnyder]

“We screwed up,” a top Capitol Police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He said Sheehan didn't violate any rules or laws.

Is that a good leak, or a bad leak?

It's just so darn hard to tell these days.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Cindy Sheehan. Why didn't she just do jumping jacks in the aisle. All she wants is attention.

Is she the one the DEMS are going to attach their bandwagon to? Or, do most who want a policital future give her as much distance as possible? It seems to be the latter.

 

[shortbun]

Now that you know that she CLEARLY didn't break any laws, do you believe that she should have been free to exercise her right to dissent?

Because we are in "the free world", hail yes!!!

I just don't get why people are so impressed by George W Bush. He's failed at so many jobs gotten by the money his mother's family earned. He's a lucky guy to have had the presidency bought for him. I guess envy is in order. In no way has he earned my respect. I know my opinion is no secret. I just had to express it again with the "respect the president" thing being brought up again. My respect must be earned. Watching American elections and knowing how Rove set up the last election in so many states(mine included) with the anti-gay marriage amendments, I can't even muster respect for the office of president of the United States. It's pathetic and I hate it but I have lost all respect.

 

[bsnyder]

. Watching American elections and knowing how Rove set up the last election in so many states(mine included) with the anti-gay marriage amendments....

Tell me again how he did this, exactly?

And maybe there needs to be a little history lesson. Over the last thirty years, how many net seats have the Democrats lost in Congress? Any idea? Here, let me clue you in. In the House, it's a whopping 100 seats, in the Senate, it's 25.

Karl Rove was barely old enough to vote when this sea change started. And that amazing shift is in spite of the Left's complete dominance of academia, union voting blocs and until recently, all of the mainstream media.

Maybe if the Democrats spend some time coming up with some ideas and solutions that resonate with the mainstream voter, instead of blaming their frustrating loss of power on one individual, they'd actually start winning some elections.

 

[disneychick05]

Cindy Sheehan. Why didn't she just do jumping jacks in the aisle. All she wants is attention.

Is she the one the DEMS are going to attach their bandwagon to? Or, do most who want a policital future give her as much distance as possible? It seems to be the latter.

At first the Dems used her to promote their anti-Bush agenda. Now they are all running as fast as they can to get away from her. No matter what party you associate with it is clear that she is tasteless, classless, and extremely unprofessional. I agree that she has the right to protest, I will give her that. However, have a little class, gain some credibility for crying out loud!

 

[richiebaseball]

Wow, I don't know what to do. Do I side with the idiots that yell, "America! Love it or leave it!", or with the morons that proclaim, "If you ain't served or given up a male child to serve, you can't have a pro-war opinion!"

Woe is me.

 

[TDC Nala]

I don't believe this is exactly a public gathering. My understanding is that one has to be invited to attend this event and, it appears. one must follow a dress code of sorts.

Rules for the Capitol galleries prohibit the wearing of any item of a political nature. When I've been up there, and it wasn't for any nationally televised event, they ask that visitors remove political campaign or slogan buttons. They may wear such things in the Capitol, but not in the galleries. Protest is not permitted by the public within the Congressional chambers.

I don't see why it was necessary to arrest Ms. Sheehan, but it's within the rules to remove her from the gallery, especially if she was asked to put her jacket back on and refused. It was also within the rules to remove Mrs. Young.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Tell me again how he did this, exactly?

And maybe there needs to be a little history lesson. Over the last thirty years, how many net seats have the Democrats lost in Congress? Any idea? Here, let me clue you in. In the House, it's a whopping 100 seats, in the Senate, it's 25.

Karl Rove was barely old enough to vote when this sea change started. And that amazing shift is in spite of the Left's complete dominance of academia, union voting blocs and until recently, all of the mainstream media.

Maybe if the Democrats spend some time coming up with some ideas and solutions that resonate with the mainstream voter, instead of blaming their frustrating loss of power on one individual, they'd actually start winning some elections.

Perhaps you might want to reread your history as well. If you think that this great cultural shift was because of some incredibly imaginative ideas on the Republican party's behalf, you'd be dead wrong. It's no surprise to anyone who knows anything about American history that soon after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, the southern "Dixie-crats" jumped ship and segregationist Republicans were more than happy to step in and pick up the torch. Upon signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Lyndon Johnson is said to have told aide Bill Moyers, "I think we have just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come."

 

[Arielle22]

I do not like Cindy Sheehan. For me, it was when she was camping out at the ranch. She didn't care how much she inconvienced the locals with media overrunning the place and the activists joining her. She may have the right to free speech but the locals had the right to enjoy their property, town and roads without the media circus generated by 1 woman.

I don't feel she is realistic. She camped out wanting to speak with GWB. She had already spoken to him. Shouldn't all relatives of the soldiers have a chance to speak to him before she gets a second chance? How about the actual soldiers? Shouldn't they be first in line?

Most of all, I don't like people who act the martyr. Many people have horrendous things happen in life. You have to deal with it and get on with life.

 

[numbersman]

Now you're just whistling past the graveyard. When pressed on the issue during the upcoming investigations is the Senate committee investigating Bush and FISA going to come and knock on your door or are they going to go to the above mentioned Constitutional scholars?

You're trying to make a point with a set of information that can never support your point. They can be "experts" all day long, and probably are, in the field of interpreting the Constitution. But "whistling past the graveyard" or not, unless or until they're elected to the bench or the legislature and have some actual power, they can say all day long that what the President did is illegal, and it DOESN'T MATTER.