Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[Disney Doll]

I don't want to be disrespectful, I do respect your faith, but I think when a groups rights are being denied, saying you "love" them really doesn't help. And I'm not talking about you -- I don't know how you feel. But when conservatives say that they love gay people but they are sinners and don't deserve the same rights, I think that is intolerance just the same.

I would tend to agree with you.

I do want to point out though, that "sin" and "rights" are 2 different animals.

From a religious standpoint, I may or may not consider someone's behavior, lifestyle etc., "sinful".

From a civic standpoint, my religious beliefs shouldn't impact on their rights as a citizen.

And I agree with you that that is where the extremely conservative religious folks blur the lines.

FWIW, before someone asks me if my feelings extend to abortion...the answer is yes. I do not personally believe in it. I would and have counseled people against abortion, and have also "put my money where my mouth is" by concretely helping those same people with childcare, finances etc. when they had the children that they didn't abort. I do not demonstrate at abortion clinics because, while it's not a choice I would make, it's not a choice that should be denied to other women. It's also not a judgement I would make toward another woman if she made that choice...I don't live in her life.

I have felt and continue to feel that extremism in either direction is dangerous.

Amazing how I can have the debate all by yself , isn't it??? I've been on the DISboards too long!!!!!

 

[AnaheimGirl]

From a religious standpoint, I may or may not consider someone's behavior, lifestyle etc., "sinful".

From a civic standpoint, my religious beliefs shouldn't impact on their rights as a citizen.

Great post! This concept seems so simple to me, yet so many people don't seem to understand it.

 

[ford family]

(I can't say African-American, because I have no idea if he was from Africa, Jamaica or elsewhere, and I work with Jamaican people who become highly offended if you call them African-American, because even though their skin is black, they are not from Africa)

I'm intrigued. If they are black Jamaicans but not from Africa, where are they from?

ford family

 

[Holly]

Last night I was talking with a guy who lives with his partner in North Carolina. He said that they had to plant large trees outside of their home to drown out the shouts of "qu**r" and "fa**ot" that the neighbors would hurl from their car windows. Someone put a used condom in their mailbox. My friend likes his home and does not want to move, but admitted that he sometimes feel scared when he is getting his mail and a car is coming. For the record, this is a masculine, well built 41 year old man. He said that they don't fly gay pride flags and keep to themselves, but the neighbors don't like two men living together. Listening to his story made me very sad.

There is no doubt about it, there are gay and lesbian people living in fear for their safety in this country. Not all gay people live in a progressive urban environment, not should they have to.

That is a very sad thing, indeed.

 

[LukenDC]

I'm intrigued. If they are black Jamaicans but not from Africa, where are they from?

ford family

I have also encountered black people who do not want to be referred to as African Americans because they are from a Caribbean island and believe that the term African American does not acknowledge their proud Caribbean heritage.

 

[Disney Doll]

I'm intrigued. If they are black Jamaicans but not from Africa, where are they from?

ford family

I don't know. All I know is that when I said "African-American" in reference to this person, I got an earful. "I'm not African. I am from Jamaica", and so on.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

double post.

Though it may take me many attempts to edit it.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I'm intrigued. If they are black Jamaicans but not from Africa, where are they from?

ford family

The Jamaicans are from Jamaica. The ones I know think we are stupid or rude to say they are from Africa.

One of the girls in my son's class was doing a report on Africa and said that most of the people who live in Africa are African-Americans!

And the Chinese and Japanese don't much like being lumped in together as Asian. They think we're just kind of dumb, and don't take offense. But they aren't crazy about it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Usually , those special month are for minorities. hour whole yera is heterosexual pride week. Second , I have never seen a pride month for gay people. it is usually between two and seven days. Lastly, those pride celebration never go on at schools and work place. Newspaper and newscast will have special features about GLBT issues. I have never heard of workplaces or schools doing anyting special for pride.

Lastly , yes religious group can give free food on campus , and give pamphlet inviting people to attend seminars and workshop about there faith. But to seek the right to diapparage acertain group of people on campus is , in my opinion , a totally different thing. This person is not looking to spred the good news , she is specificaly seeking the right to talk against gay people on campus.

FTR someone commented that someone got fired b/c they didn't want to celebrate Gay pride month (or something like that) earlier in the thread.

My (probably incorrect) assumption is that GAy pride is a celebration of sexuality--the freedom to be themselves.

so the only reason I commented on it--was in relation to the workplace and celebrating sexuality of any kind--just isn't work place appropriate, KWIM?

Black HIstory month--celebrates diversity--but focuses on the accomplishments of black people.


So sorry--but I was directing it for the workplace specifically in response to a statement someone made--but I recognize that they may have made a general assumption.



And the religious zealot on campus--she wasn't handing out pamphlets--but she was telling all us "non-believers" what such naughty college students we were and where we would be going.

But we had a very liberal campus and we wouldn't get our panties in a bunch over it. In fact--we'd joke about it.

Now while the chick who wants to go and blaspheme the gay community--that's not right.

But a flat out "off limits" policy to the subject in general that could block free speech--that I do take exception with. (what do they call that--pandora's box, slippery slope--that type of stuff).


On the flip side--I was reading in World Magazine (I think that it is the publication--I think it is a Christian publication)--and they had an article about a group of gay people (my apologies--I have no memory and cannot recollect the group's name)--they are/did a bus ride across the country and visited or planned on visiting 2 military colleges, a 3rd college that I do not recall and the rest were all Christian universities.

Basically--I think what they were doing was positive as they were trying to open communications (you know--not get any new converts ). Some schools were receptive and others were not. And in some cases people got arrested. BUt it was a very peaceful group who wanted to share the message and some universities just said no. And the groups intent was more to spread the message of tolerance as well--but the other way.

The leader of the group seemed so great b/c he really really tried to work with these schools--even offered some off campus opportunities.

Anyway--really good article in an unexpected publication. I do apologize for not knowing the group--but thought it was a cool story.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I have also encountered black people who do not want to be referred to as African Americans because they are from a Caribbean island and believe that the term African American does not acknowledge their proud Caribbean heritage.

I never understood the "African-American" title either. Who came up with it?

Should I be called a Euro-American?

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I never understood the "African-American" title either. Who came up with it?

Should I be called a Euro-American?

Actually, that's the new thing. Referring to white people as European-Americans.

Not me! I am American American, thank you very much.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

FTR someone commented that someone got fired b/c they didn't want to celebrate Gay pride month (or something like that) earlier in the thread.

My (probably incorrect) assumption is that GAy pride is a celebration of sexuality--the freedom to be themselves.

so the only reason I commented on it--was in relation to the workplace and celebrating sexuality of any kind--just isn't work place appropriate, KWIM?

Black HIstory month--celebrates diversity--but focuses on the accomplishments of black people.


So sorry--but I was directing it for the workplace specifically in response to a statement someone made--but I recognize that they may have made a general assumption.



And the religious zealot on campus--she wasn't handing out pamphlets--but she was telling all us "non-believers" what such naughty college students we were and where we would be going.

But we had a very liberal campus and we wouldn't get our panties in a bunch over it. In fact--we'd joke about it.

Now while the chick who wants to go and blaspheme the gay community--that's not right.

But a flat out "off limits" policy to the subject in general that could block free speech--that I do take exception with. (what do they call that--pandora's box, slippery slope--that type of stuff).


On the flip side--I was reading in World Magazine (I think that it is the publication--I think it is a Christian publication)--and they had an article about a group of gay people (my apologies--I have no memory and cannot recollect the group's name)--they are/did a bus ride across the country and visited or planned on visiting 2 military colleges, a 3rd college that I do not recall and the rest were all Christian universities.

Basically--I think what they were doing was positive as they were trying to open communications (you know--not get any new converts ). Some schools were receptive and others were not. And in some cases people got arrested. BUt it was a very peaceful group who wanted to share the message and some universities just said no. And the groups intent was more to spread the message of tolerance as well--but the other way.

The leader of the group seemed so great b/c he really really tried to work with these schools--even offered some off campus opportunities.

Anyway--really good article in an unexpected publication. I do apologize for not knowing the group--but thought it was a cool story.

My bold above.

How do you "blaspheme" the gay community?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

My bold above.

How do you "blaspheme" the gay community?

Well---hmmm..thought you had me and then I looked it up and it is contextually correct. Evidently--blasphemy doens't just apply to God.

Empasis added by me

blas·pheme ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bls-fm, blsfm)
v. blas·phemed, blas·phem·ing, blas·phemes
v. tr.
1. To speak of (God or a sacred entity) in an irreverent, impious manner.
2. To revile; execrate.

re·vile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-vl)
v. re·viled, re·vil·ing, re·viles
v. tr.
To assail with abusive language; vituperate. See Synonyms at scold.

v. intr.
To use abusive language.

ex·e·crate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ks-krt)
tr.v. ex·e·crat·ed, ex·e·crat·ing, ex·e·crates
To declare to be hateful or abhorrent; denounce.
To feel loathing for; abhor.
Archaic. To invoke a curse on.

Thesaurus:

5 entries found for blaspheme.
Main Entry: damn
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: condemn
Synonyms: abuse, anathematize, attack, ban, banish, blaspheme, blast, cast out, castigate, censure, complain of, confound, convict, criticize, cry down, curse, cuss, darn, denounce, denunciate, doom, drat, excommunicate, excoriate, execrate, expel, flame, fulminate against, imprecate, inveigle against, jinx, object to, objurgate, pan, penalize, proscribe, punish, revile, sentence, slam, swear, thunder against, voodoo
Antonyms: bless, commend, exalt, glorify, laud, praise
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Main Entry: desecrate
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: abuse
Synonyms: befoul, blaspheme, commit sacrilege, contaminate, crud up, crumb up, defile, depredate, desolate, despoil, devastate, devour, dishonor, mess up, muck up, pervert, pillage, pollute, profane, prostitute, ravage, sack, scuzz up, sleaze up, spoliate, trash, violate, waste
Antonyms: consecrate, honor, praise, sanctify, worship
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Main Entry: profane
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: desecrate
Synonyms: abuse, be evil, befoul, blaspheme, commit sacrilege, commit sin, contaminate, curse, cuss, damn, darn, debase, defile, despoil, do wrong, flame, hoodoo, misuse, mock, mudsling, pervert, pollute, prostitute, revile, scorn, swear, talk dirty, tar, trash, vice, violate, vitiate, voodoo
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Main Entry: slander
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: damage
Synonyms: asperse, assail, attack, backbite, bad-mouth, belie, belittle, besmirch, blacken name, blackwash, blaspheme, blister, blot, calumniate, curse, damage, decry, defame, defile, denigrate, depreciate, derogate, detract, dishonor, disparage, hit, hurt, injure, libel, malign, muckrake, pan, plaster, revile, roast, scandalize, scorch, slam, slur, smear, smirch, sneer, strumpet, sully, tarnish, tear down, traduce, vilify
Antonyms: acclaim, praise
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Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Main Entry: swear
Part of Speech: verb 2
Definition: be vulgar
Synonyms: be foul-mouthed, bedamn, blaspheme, curse, cuss, damn, darn, execrate, flame, imprecate, talk dirty, use language, utter profanity
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Actually, that's the new thing. Referring to white people as European-Americans.

Not me! I am American American, thank you very much.

Exactly.

Down with hyphens!

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Well---hmmm..thought you had me and then I looked it up and it is contextually correct. Evidently--blasphemy doens't just apply to God.

Empasis added by me









Thesaurus:

Thorough! -- and interesting

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Thorough! -- and interesting

I will admit that I do sometimes use vocab in an interesting way that may or may not be correct--so when I went and looked it up--I surprised myself.


This word only applies if that is what the subject of the lawsuit wants to do. I don't condone the hatred. Free speech is protected--harrassing behavior is not.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Actually, that's the new thing. Referring to white people as European-Americans.

Not me! I am American American, thank you very much.

How about American-squared

 

[LukenDC]

I never understood the "African-American" title either. Who came up with it?

Should I be called a Euro-American?

I grew up in California and never heard the term European-American until I moved to the East Coast. Caucasian people in the East seem to identify with their ethnic heritage much more closely than people in the West. It's a regional difference that I find interesting. As for me, I simply call myself an American.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Caucasian people in the East seem to identify with their ethnic heritage much more closely than people in the West.

No, they really don't. It's more PC crap gone berserk.

In my book, we're ALL Americans squared. As opposed to square Americans. OK, Spongebob is a square American.

 

[eclectics]

No, they really don't. It's more PC crap gone berserk.

I don't know if I would go that far. I don't think there's anything wrong with identifying with your ancestral heritage. It doesn't really do any harm and I also think kids should know about their roots.