Chris Kyle has been killed!!!!!

[EPCOTatNight]

And yes I do understand what war means. I get it. I don't think blowing up civilians is a good thing obviously. But just think if someone from the Taliban had been interviewed and said "well, it doesn't bother me to kill people. Sure I get a little nervous but then you just do it". And yes, I realize he was talking about the enemy, but it sounds callous.

I love my country, but I also believe that I don't have to overlook its faults either. And I think one of our biggest faults is that we have this view that whatever "we" do is right and whatever "they" do is wrong. I would be naive to think that we are always right in everything we do.

Wonderful post, and unlike many things these days......It was actually objective. The world is full of people that blindly follow others and seem to not be able to think for themselves. They also defend anything that they love even when certain things are clearly indefensible. There are bad teachers, cops, priests, and military servicemen. I'm not saying that this man was a bad person, but he obviously made bad choices after he came home. And his death does not erase that. Maybe we can learn from it by illuminating those mistakes and not ignoring them. And for the record, I am the son, husband, and best friend of ex military service people. I am also the uncle of a current service person. I love my country and our military, but that love does not impair my judgement.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

Wonderful post, and unlike many things these days......It was actually objective. The world is full of people that blindly follow others and seem to not be able to think for themselves. They also defend anything that they love even when certain things are clearly indefensible. There are bad teachers, cops, priests, and military servicemen. I'm not saying that this man was a bad person, but he obviously made bad choices after he came home. And his death does not erase that. Maybe we can learn from it by illuminating those mistakes and not ignoring them. And for the record, I am the son, husband, and best friend of ex military service people. I am also the uncle of a current service person. I love my country and our military, but that love does not impair my judgement.

What bad decisions did he make when he got home? I

 

[Pollyanna Poppins]

Wonderful post, and unlike many things these days......It was actually objective. The world is full of people that blindly follow others and seem to not be able to think for themselves. They also defend anything that they love even when certain things are clearly indefensible. There are bad teachers, cops, priests, and military servicemen. I'm not saying that this man was a bad person, but he obviously made bad choices after he came home. And his death does not erase that. Maybe we can learn from it by illuminating those mistakes and not ignoring them. And for the record, I am the son, husband, and best friend of ex military service people. I am also the uncle of a current service person. I love my country and our military, but that love does not impair my judgement.

Yet you illuminate the Taliban and show disdain for a hero. Strange...

 

[EPCOTatNight]

Yet you illuminate the Taliban and show disdain for a hero. Strange...

What are you talking about? Why not voice your opinion without blatantly lying and attacking those that dont agree with you? It doesn't help your position. Don't lie on me. We don't have to agree, but don't lie.

 

[Pollyanna Poppins]

I'm just taking your words that said wonderful post and that it was objective. Did you read it?

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

What are you talking about? Why not voice your opinion without blatantly lying and attacking those that dont agree with you? It doesn't help your position. Don't lie on me. We don't have to agree, but don't lie.

Would you please tell me what bad decisions you claim he made in your other post! I am really curious to know what he did when he came home that is looked upon as unfavorable.

 

[EPCOTatNight]

I'm just taking your words that said wonderful post and that it was objective. Did you read it?

I'm glad you asked. Yes, I did read it and I don't see where that person showed disdain for Mr. Kyle.(maybe they did in another post) I see that they asked a "what if" question, but I didn't read that as a means of support for the Taliban or disdain for Mr. Kyle. I read it as they disagreed with him vocalizing his calm demeanor while killing another human being.

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[twinboysmom]

I don't even know what to say to some of the posts in this thread.

I know, it is depressing to see how some of our fellow Americans feel. There are many, many Americans who support our military. Thank you to your DH and to your own family for all of the sacrifices they make.

 

[Pollyanna Poppins]

I'm glad you asked. Yes, I did read it and I don't see where that person showed disdain for Mr. Kyle.(maybe they did in another post) I see that they asked a "what if" question, but I didn't read that as a means of support for the Taliban or disdain for Mr. Kyle. I read it as they disagreed with him vocalizing his calm demeanor while killing another human being.

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I don't care what his demeanor was when he was risking his life to protect his country from an extremist terrorist group not another human being. Some things are black and white. It shows a lack of respect when you disregard all of the good this man did for his country, wife, and children. I won't belittle him with some sympathy play for the enemy.

 

[LuvinLucifer]

Wonderful post, and unlike many things these days......It was actually objective.

You are confusing objective with ignorant. To completely disregard the difference between civilians, uniformed military, and terrorist insurgents on top of equating war crimes with carrying out orders within ROE shows a real lack of knowledge of international law and ethics of warfare.

 

[robinb]

Kyle co-founded FITCO Cares. It's a program to help ease veterans, back into every day life. They provide personal training and life coaching for in need veterans with disabilities...including PTSD.

Exposure therapy is a very successful type of treatment. It's NOT equivalent to bringing a drug addict into a crack house.

I do have to wonder if Eddie Ray Routh's psychiatrist was aware of treatment he was receiving through FITCO Cares and if s/he approved of it.

 

[foreUT]

You are confusing objective with ignorant. To completely disregard the difference between civilians, uniformed military, and terrorist insurgents on top of equating war crimes with carrying out orders within ROE shows a real lack of knowledge of international law and ethics of warfare.

Very good post.

My heartfelt sympathies to the Kyle family. I am sure to all the service men and women he saved by eliminating those that wanted to kill and disfigure them he is a hero. I agree.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

I do have to wonder if Eddie Ray Routh's psychiatrist was aware of treatment he was receiving through FITCO Cares and if s/he approved of it.

I am not sure he had one every article I have read states that Routh has not been officially diagnosed with any type of mental disorder or PTSD. So I am afraid like many he may have been going with out any treatment from a psychiatrist which could have been what led to him gunning down two man who were simply tying to help him.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I do have to wonder if Eddie Ray Routh's psychiatrist was aware of treatment he was receiving through FITCO Cares and if s/he approved of it.

I have no idea, if Routh was on meds, had a psychiatrist or even an official diagnosis...much less an approved treatment plan. It can take quite a while to work through the VA's red tape. Sadly, there is also the stigma, that prevents many in need from seeking help.

 

[robinb]

I am not sure he had one every article I have read states that Routh has not been officially diagnosed with any type of mental disorder or PTSD. So I am afraid like many he may have been going with out any treatment from a psychiatrist which could have been what led to him gunning down two man who were simply tying to help him.

Then FITCO Cares was doing exposure therapy on someone who was not under a doctor's care? I hope you're not right about that!

 

[TLSnell1981]

I am not sure he had one every article I have read states that Routh has not been officially diagnosed with any type of mental disorder or PTSD. So I am afraid like many he may have been going with out any treatment from a psychiatrist which could have been what led to him gunning down two man who were simply tying to help him.

My understanding is this information has not been released. We don't know the details.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

Then FITCO Cares was doing exposure therapy on someone who was not under a doctor's care? I hope you're not right about that!

My understanding is this information has not been released. We don't know the details.

I have read several different articles about the shooter and none of them would commit to a diagnosis for him or any factual info on what if anything he was being treated for so I am not sure if there was one or if that is just not being released. I do however stand by my statement that the shooter is just as much a victim in all of this. Also I don't know if what Kyle was doing was or is being considered as exposure therapy but maybe more of just trying to be a friend to the guy. I would think if it were exposure therapy everyone participating in the treatment would be highly trained and I can't imagine that what Kyle was trying to do for this guy was wrong in anyway.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Also I don't know if what Kyle was doing was or is being considered as exposure therapy but maybe more of just trying to be a friend to the guy. I would think if it were exposure therapy everyone participating in the treatment would be highly trained and I can't imagine that what Kyle was trying to do for this guy was wrong in anyway.

Really? You can't imagine? He is DEAD - so it is obvious that what Kyle was doing was WRONG.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

Really? You can't imagine? He is DEAD - so it is obvious that what Kyle was doing was WRONG.

I don't get your logic here are why you are so willing to paint Kyle as the bad guy?

 

[Pollyanna Poppins]

Really? You can't imagine? He is DEAD - so it is obvious that what Kyle was doing was WRONG.

Should we apply this same standard to every situation. Would you say the same to all the victims in Chicago recently. They're all dead because what they were doing was wrong.