chicken pox at disneyland...

We don't vaccinate our kids either. I would like for them to catch chicken pox naturally, but it would be awful for all four to get sick at the same time.

and i think all 4 of mine WILL have it at the same time, GRRR! my dd16 already had chicken pox, 11 years ago, but she just came in to show me that she's breaking out in them again!

i'm SO frustrated. she was diagnosed with cp TWICE as a toddler (a few months apart, and it cleared up within 24 hours each time, so i just figured it was a misdiagnosis?). but when she got it at 5 years old, there was NO mistaking that it was definitely chicken pox. she got a really decent case of it, and i was sure it "took" enough for her to have immunity. but then the main blister, the one that started the whole rash, never really healed and went away like the others. SIX MONTHS LATER, the same blister flared back up, got all icky and gooey again, and she broke out in the same classic chicken pox rash! so i figured, "here we go again", thinking maybe the first time wasn't severe enough to give her full immunity. within 24 hours, everything disappeared, and that one main blister that had been there for 6 months, finally dried up and went away too at that time.

i would have never, ever, EVER thought that she could get them yet AGAIN!! aaarrrrggghhhh!!!!:scared:
 
Whoa, I don't know why I never thought about having kids with CP thing...I've made myself paranoid about it in every other way. Oh geeez. I was exposed to it multiple times as a kid(before the vaccine) but never got it, so I'm hoping I just have a crazy immunity towards it.

Either way, I am still paranoid about adult, life-threatening chicken pox.

Just ask your doctor to test you for immunity. It will put your mind at ease. My brother had CP as a kid- and the scar to prove it. Yet when he went to work at UCLA as a resident hall director, they made him get a blood test. Sure enough- no more immunity! So he had to get the vaccine (2 doses) and another titer to see if he was immune. Good thing they tested him... he clearly had a real case of CP, and yet his immunity wasn't perfect.
 
I completely understand not vaxing when there is a medical reason not too. My heart goes out to anyone with a child that had a bad reaction. But I do believe in herd immunity. Those of us who do vax keeps those children who didn't safer. Although I know people disagree with that, I'd say we'd still have things like Polio running rampant if that wasn't the case. So it worries me that we'll start to really see the return of such awful diseases as the anti-vax movement gets bigger.(originally posted by JenDisneylandLvr)

i think this disproves your theory about those who vax keeping the rest of us safer:

The vaccine IS a live virus. Studies have documented that for a period of time after vaccination with a live virus vaccine, a person will "shed" some of that virus from their body, which may infect others. Most often, when a child comes down with chickenpox, that child stays home and is not out exposing the community for most of the time that they are infectious, but after a vaccination? Who keeps their children at home and away from older people for a couple of weeks while they may be shedding virus after being vaccinated?

if you're interested in the entire article (a very informative one), here's the link:

http://www.compassionatesouls.com/chickenpox.html
 
wow its kind of ironic I come here and read this! About a week after a trip to DL I started with what I thought was just a rash on my back, well I went to the ER with severe pain in my right side, and by then this "rash" had spread around to my belly button, they told me it was SHINGLES and admitted me on heavy antibiotics for 2 days. I'm home, but I still have sores and they hurt so so so bad. The pain was from my galbladder which I need to have removed, but the shingles are right where they need to cut and they won't do anything until they are cleared up.

I had CP as a kid, and I've been wondering where I got these from, so it is possible I rubbed up against something. DH asked me if I thought I could get them from DL.
 

wow its kind of ironic I come here and read this! About a week after a trip to DL I started with what I thought was just a rash on my back, well I went to the ER with severe pain in my right side, and by then this "rash" had spread around to my belly button, they told me it was SHINGLES and admitted me on heavy antibiotics for 2 days. I'm home, but I still have sores and they hurt so so so bad. The pain was from my galbladder which I need to have removed, but the shingles are right where they need to cut and they won't do anything until they are cleared up.

I had CP as a kid, and I've been wondering where I got these from, so it is possible I rubbed up against something. DH asked me if I thought I could get them from DL.


Why would they put you on an antibiotic? Shingles are caused from the dormant chicken pox VIRUS becoming active along the nerves and are usually only on one side of the body. I had them when I was 14 and they are SO painful. You can't "catch" shingles, it's usually flared up by stress, compromised immune systems etc.


Here's some info (bolded is mine)
Shingles is a skin rash caused by the same virus that causes chickenpox. The virus responsible for these conditions is called the Varicella zoster virus (VZV). After an individual has chickenpox, this virus lives in the nervous system and is never fully cleared from the body. Under certain circumstances, such as emotional stress, immune deficiency (from AIDS or chemotherapy), or with cancer, the virus reactivates causing shingles. In most cases, however, a cause for the reactivation of the virus is never found. Anyone who has ever had chickenpox is at risk for the development of shingles, although it occurs most commonly in people over the age of 60. It has been estimated that up to 500,000 cases of shingles occur each year in the U.S.

Shingles can be spread from an affected person to children or adults who have not had chickenpox. But instead of developing shingles, these people develop chickenpox. Once they have had chickenpox, people cannot catch shingles (or contract the virus) from someone else. Once infected, however, people have the potential to develop shingles later in life.

Shingles is contagious to people that have not previously had chickenpox, as long as there are new blisters forming and old blisters healing.


There are several effective treatments for shingles. Drugs that fight viruses (antivirals), such as acyclovir (Zovirax), valacyclovir (Valtrex), or famciclovir (Famvir), can reduce the severity and duration of the rash if started early (within 72 hours of the appearance of the rash). The addition of steroid drugs may have limited benefit in some cases, but studies have not conclusively confirmed the benefit of steroids in combination with all antiviral drugs. In addition to antiviral medication, pain medications may be needed for symptom control.

The affected area should be kept clean. Bathing is permitted, and the area can be cleansed with soap and water. Cool compresses and anti-itching lotions, such as calamine lotion, may also provide relief. An aluminum acetate solution (Burow's or Domeboro solution, available at your pharmacy) can be used to help dry up the blisters and oozing.


So...long story short, no. You can't catch SHINGLES from DL, but you could probably catch just about anything else there:scared:
 
I completely understand not vaxing when there is a medical reason not too. My heart goes out to anyone with a child that had a bad reaction. But I do believe in herd immunity. Those of us who do vax keeps those children who didn't safer. Although I know people disagree with that, I'd say we'd still have things like Polio running rampant if that wasn't the case. So it worries me that we'll start to really see the return of such awful diseases as the anti-vax movement gets bigger.(originally posted by JenDisneylandLvr)

i think this disproves your theory about those who vax keeping the rest of us safer:

The vaccine IS a live virus. Studies have documented that for a period of time after vaccination with a live virus vaccine, a person will "shed" some of that virus from their body, which may infect others. Most often, when a child comes down with chickenpox, that child stays home and is not out exposing the community for most of the time that they are infectious, but after a vaccination? Who keeps their children at home and away from older people for a couple of weeks while they may be shedding virus after being vaccinated?

if you're interested in the entire article (a very informative one), here's the link:

http://www.compassionatesouls.com/chickenpox.html

I only really get my medical info online from really reputable sites, like the CDC, WebMD ect.. personally. It is a live virus, but it is weakened, or attenuated.

As I said, I do believe in herd immunity. Otherwise we'd be worried about people getting polio still. Rather then being worried about people going out after getting the vaccine, I think it's a bigger concern that so many aren't vaxing for it, and depending on catching it naturally. As people vax I think they'll find it harder and harder to catch, leaving a lot of people unprotected.

I'm just glad we were able to get ds vax'd for it. Beats having to deal with it many times, because the natural immunity doesn't take. Happened to me too!
 
that's something that people have to decide for themselves. but it would make the most sense to research the issue to the fullest extent before blindly trusting that what the cdc says is fact, considering they are tremendously intertwined with pharmaceutical companies (read: the cdc gets kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies who produce vaccines when the cdc misrepresents the actual causes and risks of diseases in order to massively boost vaccine sales...).

here's just one example of this situation, but there's endless literature on the subject.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...0/06/blaylock-vaccine-coverup2-part-five.aspx
 
I'm sure one could find endless literature on ALL sides of the issue.
 
true. but contemplating the motives of either side might be a worthwhile endeavor. i'm just saying.
 
True, the what if game is dumb...But I'm playing for a second.

If I'd given birth at home I would've died within minutes. No hospital could've saved me if I was in transit.

Not to say your experience wasn't amazing and fantastic. That's just why some people (me) don't 'get' it.

:)

i hate for one of my first posts here to be about this, when really i just came here to get ideas for our disneyland trip. but...

hemmoraging can be handled at home with a good midwife. they carry all the drugs the hospital has.

so can shoulder distocia.
 
i hate for one of my first posts here to be about this, when really i just came here to get ideas for our disneyland trip. but...

hemmoraging can be handled at home with a good midwife. they carry all the drugs the hospital has.

so can shoulder distocia.

But how many things CAN'T be handled at home with a midwife?
 
high risk pregnancies that belong in the hospital anyways?

homebirth is actually very safe. i've had two of my 3 children at home, i did my research, i live close to a hospital, and i had great midwives. i felt very safe, for both me and my babies.

not saying there is anything wrong with choosing hospital birth-i just don't like to see misconceptions about homebirth spread around is all.
 
Two of my cousins and my sister had to have emergency c-sections. Had they been at home, very bad things (death or loss of their child) could have happened.

That's fine if other people want to have home births, but it's something I would never choose.
 












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