Chevy Bolt Electric Car

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Ga$ prices here near Niagara Falls, in Canada are $1.22 a ltr! My husband has been interested in an electric car for some time now. This latest pricing is driving his desire ten fold at the moment. The rebate is peaking both of our interest now too!

Anyone here drive one, or what are your thoughts? :car:
 
Yes, I'm super excited for the Bolt. Haven't driven it, but am a total car nut both personally and professionally. Also a former Nissan Leaf owner...R.I.P. it fell victim to a nasty hail storm.

Pure electric cars are definitely less expensive to operate. No gas, no oil to change, less maintenance overall. Make sure you know what your electric prices are and if there's a time of day when charging is cheaper (typically overnight).

The Bolt is the first car that will put a decent driving range (over 200 miles) in a car that is more affordable. The Leaf could only do between 60-100 miles, depending on conditions. The Mitsu i-Miev was even less. A few things to know about electric cars:

They have awesomely fun low end torque. In other words, when you hit the "gas" from a stop light, the car can take off like a shot. Beyond that, the driving "feel" is no different than a regular car, except that it is dead silent, which is eerie.

They have regenerative braking. Let off the gas and the car will begin to slow down, as if you were hitting the brakes some. That helps put power back into the battery, and saves wear/tear on your brakes. If done right, in a suburban setting, you can actually drive the car without touching the brake pedal at all.

Since they have no gas engines, they have to rely on electric sources for the heater. That will significantly reduce your range. So if the range is 200 miles on a warm sunny day, it may be 130 miles on a very cold day. The heater takes up battery power...newer ones are much better than what the original Leaf had, but still use power. So does the a/c, but to a lesser extent. Most electric cars have heated seats and steering wheels to help you stay warmer (they don't use much power).

Your range will vary widely depending on driving. Highway cruising above 60mph is a battery killer. Wind resistance makes the car work hard. My Leaf could do 90 miles in suburban driving, but if I was just cruising the highway, I'd be lucky to get 70 miles. Rain will reduce your range a little...tires have to fight through the water. Flooring the pedal reduces range...drive smooth.

Battery range will decrease as the car ages. If it's 200 miles now, when the car is 5 years old and has 70,000 miles, the range may be 150 miles or maybe 140. That's no different than any rechargeable battery. Replacements are very, very expensive, but dropping. The price will/shoulld continue to fall as aftermarket suppliers flood the market.

Resale value for electric only cars, at least so far, has been horrendous. Their value plummets like a boulder dropped from an airplane. You can buy a 2015 Nissan Leaf with under 20k miles for around $8k. It was a near $30k car when new (or after incentives, still around $22k). You can buy a Mitsu I-Miev for far less, around $6k, nearly new. I'm hoping the Bolt follows the same pattern, as I'd be first in line to pick up a used one in a year or so. We built our house new 2 years ago and I had a 220V line put in the garage specifically for an electric car. My commute is 120 miles round trip, so right now the Leaf wouldn't work for me, otherwise I'd own one. Don't want to buy a Bolt new and take the huge hit, and can't afford a Tesla.
 
I do not have a Bolt. I have a plug in hybrid. Depending on the weather temperature, it can traveling between 15 to 20 miles in electric mode. I love it! I rarely need to fill up with gasoline anymore. Instead as I joke I fill up at home. Hope your husband, if not already, has a chance to test drive the car.
 
Hybrids are fairly different than pure electric cars. Hybrids have gas engines that still do the majority of the work, and the electric motor just provides some assistance. Even the plug ins (Volt excluded) are really primarily gas engine vehicles...they have a conventional heater, conventional oil changes, maintenance, etc..., no issues with "range anxiety".
 

DH is driving one now. He likes it. It is a small car but feels pretty roomy for the passengers.
 
Yes, I'm super excited for the Bolt. Haven't driven it, but am a total car nut both personally and professionally. Also a former Nissan Leaf owner...R.I.P. it fell victim to a nasty hail storm.

Pure electric cars are definitely less expensive to operate. No gas, no oil to change, less maintenance overall. Make sure you know what your electric prices are and if there's a time of day when charging is cheaper (typically overnight).

The Bolt is the first car that will put a decent driving range (over 200 miles) in a car that is more affordable. The Leaf could only do between 60-100 miles, depending on conditions. The Mitsu i-Miev was even less. A few things to know about electric cars:

They have awesomely fun low end torque. In other words, when you hit the "gas" from a stop light, the car can take off like a shot. Beyond that, the driving "feel" is no different than a regular car, except that it is dead silent, which is eerie.

They have regenerative braking. Let off the gas and the car will begin to slow down, as if you were hitting the brakes some. That helps put power back into the battery, and saves wear/tear on your brakes. If done right, in a suburban setting, you can actually drive the car without touching the brake pedal at all.

Since they have no gas engines, they have to rely on electric sources for the heater. That will significantly reduce your range. So if the range is 200 miles on a warm sunny day, it may be 130 miles on a very cold day. The heater takes up battery power...newer ones are much better than what the original Leaf had, but still use power. So does the a/c, but to a lesser extent. Most electric cars have heated seats and steering wheels to help you stay warmer (they don't use much power).

Your range will vary widely depending on driving. Highway cruising above 60mph is a battery killer. Wind resistance makes the car work hard. My Leaf could do 90 miles in suburban driving, but if I was just cruising the highway, I'd be lucky to get 70 miles. Rain will reduce your range a little...tires have to fight through the water. Flooring the pedal reduces range...drive smooth.

Battery range will decrease as the car ages. If it's 200 miles now, when the car is 5 years old and has 70,000 miles, the range may be 150 miles or maybe 140. That's no different than any rechargeable battery. Replacements are very, very expensive, but dropping. The price will/shoulld continue to fall as aftermarket suppliers flood the market.

Resale value for electric only cars, at least so far, has been horrendous. Their value plummets like a boulder dropped from an airplane. You can buy a 2015 Nissan Leaf with under 20k miles for around $8k. It was a near $30k car when new (or after incentives, still around $22k). You can buy a Mitsu I-Miev for far less, around $6k, nearly new. I'm hoping the Bolt follows the same pattern, as I'd be first in line to pick up a used one in a year or so. We built our house new 2 years ago and I had a 220V line put in the garage specifically for an electric car. My commute is 120 miles round trip, so right now the Leaf wouldn't work for me, otherwise I'd own one. Don't want to buy a Bolt new and take the huge hit, and can't afford a Tesla.

Thanks so very much for your reply, with lots of things to consider. We switched to Geotherm from Electricity/Wood Stove supplement in 2003; We would re-charge in our garage at night. We'd like to consider taking advantage of the Lease option being offered; The re-bates are quite attractive, and if it does not appeal to us at the end of the day we'd not have to try to sell.
 
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I took a test drive last weekend at a local car show.
  • love the paddle recharge button
  • the Volt feels more luxurious interior from I remember from the year before
Additional thoughts....
  • the Volt has proven to be a reliable vehicle..... it will take a few years for the Bolt to earn similar reputation
  • looking forward to see how the Leaf looks when it's launched later this year. How close will it look compared to the Sway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Sway How will the new Leaf look compared to the Bolt.
  • think carefully where you plan to recharge. Do you need to run an extension cord across a sidewalk? A recent local news story found tenants were charged a premium to recharge in apartment building. If you plan to downsize.... does your parking spot have a 120v outlet nearby. http://bc.ctvnews.ca/no-charge-couple-forced-to-move-because-of-electric-vehicle-1.1987615
  • also look at the Prius Prime. There's a gas extender. The smaller battery will be quicker to recharge. Available in the USA right now, but coming to Canada also later this year.
  • I currently drive a Prius V. With congested roads and traffic lights, I can travel a few kilometers with NO gas with the battery. Once the battery runs down.... the gas engine kicks in to recharge and extend my range. The vehicle is rated for 5.5 L/100km. I average 5.2 L/100km. With no wipers, heat, air conditioning on sunny dry spring/fall days.... I can average 3.7 L/100km.
  • those living on the West Coast have higher gas prices, but lower electrical rates. A quicker way to recoup costs. In this chart, you can see Ottawa pays nearly double what Vancouver is charged. https://www.hydro.mb.ca/regulatory_affairs/energy_rates/electricity/utility_rate_comp.shtml
 
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going to the mall is a great idea...
  • how busy is the mall.... is there another car there when you want to use it?
  • the mall may not be busy right now... but will that convenient space be freely available in a few years when your neighbors have the same idea.
  • how long do you need to leave it in the mall? Is there a parking fee during the charge? If it's free.... how long will it stay free?
  • how safe is it to leave your car at the mall for a multi hour charge... especially late evening or overnight?
  • how many amps is that mall charger? How many hours do you need to leave the car there?
  • we have a problem in our neighborhood. Apparently copper thieves are cutting the charge cable to resell the metal inside. If this keeps up.... don't be surprised the charging station gets removed.
  • you heard about "road rage". Have you heard about "charge rage"?
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/shortage-of-electric-vehicle-ports-fueling-charge-rage-in-calif/
 
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Oh look.... while some places offer incentives for getting electric vehicles.... some places charge an overhead for not paying their share in gas taxes....
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Yeah, that's a shame. GA used to offer a $5000 incentive for EVs, which was on top of the $7500 incentive from the feds. I lived in PA while that incentive was there, but now live here in GA (it was just ending when we moved here). That $12,500 rebate made the cost of a lease insanely cheap, and Nissan leased countless Leafs here. Dealer lots were stuffed with them when I first moved here. When I leased mine in PA, there was no such incentive, just the one from the feds. It still made the lease cheap, but the dealer told me they sold/leased about one per month or less...in fact they only had 2 on the lot when I got mine and they were one of the only Nissan dealers to even have any. In the year I had it, I only saw one other one on the road there. I got SO many questions about it. Here in GA, they're as common as a Georgia peach. Sad they got rid of the incentive. Still worthwhile financially, but nowhere near as attractive as it once was.
 
We looked at them but ultimately, I needed something that would go further than even 200 miles for trips, etc....

So I ended up with a Prius. I still average 50mpg so I am happy enough.
 
We looked at them but ultimately, I needed something that would go further than even 200 miles for trips, etc....

So I ended up with a Prius. I still average 50mpg so I am happy enough.

That's the clincher for me - no easy way to "fill up" on a long trip. As a third car though........
 
Yep, that's the big challenge with an EV. Like you said Gumbo, an EV is a third (or second) car for most people...use it for the trips they make that are within the range and have a gas engine car for those that aren't. With a 200 mile range, at least for me, the Bolt would cover 99% or more of my trips. My commute to work is 120 round trip, which is really far, but still within range.
 
going to the mall is a great idea...
  • how busy is the mall.... is there another car there when you want to use it?
  • the mall may not be busy right now... but will that convenient space be freely available in a few years when your neighbors have the same idea.
  • how long do you need to leave it in the mall? Is there a parking fee during the charge? If it's free.... how long will it stay free?
  • how safe is it to leave your car at the mall for a multi hour charge... especially late evening or overnight?
  • how many amps is that mall charger? How many hours do you need to leave the car there?
  • we have a problem in our neighborhood. Apparently copper thieves are cutting the charge cable to resell the metal inside. If this keeps up.... don't be surprised the charging station gets removed.
  • you heard about "road rage". Have you heard about "charge rage"?
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/shortage-of-electric-vehicle-ports-fueling-charge-rage-in-calif/
whoossseee
That went right over your head didn't it.
 
Yep, that's the big challenge with an EV. Like you said Gumbo, an EV is a third (or second) car for most people...use it for the trips they make that are within the range and have a gas engine car for those that aren't. With a 200 mile range, at least for me, the Bolt would cover 99% or more of my trips. My commute to work is 120 round trip, which is really far, but still within range.

I used to do 112 round trip daily & have a 220 plug in the garage already. Would have been great for that!
 


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