Changing schools in 6th grade

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DS11 is having a really rough year in school. It has nothing to do with the academics - he is a great student - but it is the social piece he is struggling with. He is in 6th grade (last year of elementary school).

Last Sunday he told DH and I he did not want to attend his school anymore. There has always been an issue of bullying but I did not realize it was so bad. DS is also very sensitive so tends to take things personally. I talked to both the principal and the teacher as well as the mom of his best friend. Friend's mom says her son is having similar issues.

Today he spent the day shadowing at our local catholic school. When I picked him up at lunch he asked if he could stay the rest of the day. While he was unable to stay today, I did have lunch with him and he told me he loved the school and wants to go there.

How can I be sure this is not just a case of the grass is greener and that three months from now he is not having the same issues? He could attend this school for 6,7 and 8 and then go to the catholic high school.

I am looking for any suggestions/feedback on making a change in 6th grade. Thanks!
 
I am sorry your son is going through this. My parents moved us when I was in the middle of 5th grade and I had a horrible time - got teased and bullied pretty bad. I was fine at the previous school, but like your son, i was VERY sensitive and took everything personal. The kids who started teasing me saw that, and that was all the fuel they needed. It got better and worse over the course of junior high which was what it was called back then - 25 years ago. It got so bad in 9th grade my parents finally put me in private school where that behavior was not tolerated. It was the best thing my parents could have done for me and I wish they had done it sooner. It could have saved me years of torment during VERY formative years. So I would say, if you can afford to move him now, do it. There was nothing worse than knowing I had to go to school everyday and deal with that. For years. Once I moved schools, I made new friends and had a great high school experience.

Good luck with everything. Its got to be heart wrenching watching your child go through this too. Keep us posted.
 
I am also considering pulling my DD out of public school (she's in 7th grade). She has only been there since 6th grade and really hates most everything about it. No one bullies her (anymore-she's a fighter) and she has friends. She has orchestra, which is not available in the small private school. That's it for the plus side....oh yeah, it's free.
 
DS11 is having a really rough year in school. It has nothing to do with the academics - he is a great student - but it is the social piece he is struggling with. He is in 6th grade (last year of elementary school).

Last Sunday he told DH and I he did not want to attend his school anymore. There has always been an issue of bullying but I did not realize it was so bad. DS is also very sensitive so tends to take things personally. I talked to both the principal and the teacher as well as the mom of his best friend. Friend's mom says her son is having similar issues.

Today he spent the day shadowing at our local catholic school. When I picked him up at lunch he asked if he could stay the rest of the day. While he was unable to stay today, I did have lunch with him and he told me he loved the school and wants to go there.

How can I be sure this is not just a case of the grass is greener and that three months from now he is not having the same issues? He could attend this school for 6,7 and 8 and then go to the catholic high school.

I am looking for any suggestions/feedback on making a change in 6th grade. Thanks!



I can offer a little feedback on making a change in 6th grade. We moved to a different state when my DS was in 6th grade, and while I'm sure he would have preferred to stay at the school he had attended since Kindergarten, he made the transition to the new school just fine. IMO kids are still open and welcoming at that age, at least for the most part. I did make sure that we lived within the attendance boundaries of the district that is set up K-6, 7-8, 9-12 instead of the one that is K-5, 6-8, 9-12 though.

I think it becomes much more difficult to switch schools much past that age and/or when the schools are a lot larger though. I changed schools at the beginning of 7th grade, and with multiple elementary schools all coming together that year, everyone just assumed I had attended one of the other schools. In reality I knew no one and was downright miserable until I found my niche.


I don't know that shadowing one morning could really provide a true picture of what attending the school would be like on a day to day basis. If your son is struggling socially in his current school, it's certainly possible that those same struggles would eventually surface at the new school as well. There could be issues he needs to face and deal with and running from them might do him a disservice in the long run.

On the othet hand, the Catholic school might be a perfect fit for your son. Do you think it's a good fit for your family?

Good luck with your decision. I hope you find a solution that works.
 

DS11 is having a really rough year in school. It has nothing to do with the academics - he is a great student - but it is the social piece he is struggling with. He is in 6th grade (last year of elementary school).

Last Sunday he told DH and I he did not want to attend his school anymore. There has always been an issue of bullying but I did not realize it was so bad. DS is also very sensitive so tends to take things personally. I talked to both the principal and the teacher as well as the mom of his best friend. Friend's mom says her son is having similar issues.

Today he spent the day shadowing at our local catholic school. When I picked him up at lunch he asked if he could stay the rest of the day. While he was unable to stay today, I did have lunch with him and he told me he loved the school and wants to go there.

How can I be sure this is not just a case of the grass is greener and that three months from now he is not having the same issues? He could attend this school for 6,7 and 8 and then go to the catholic high school.

I am looking for any suggestions/feedback on making a change in 6th grade. Thanks!

I do think it could be a chance of "grass is greener" kind of thing. If he was just shadowing for a half day, people are going to be overly nice and not mean to him. So, if he's coming from a bad situation, it is going to look great. But that doesn't mean once he starts into it, he won't have some of the same issues.

I have taught at both public and catholic high schools. Honestly, there isn't much of a difference when it comes to the kids. If anything, my experience (and only my experience) is that bullying sometimes is more tolerated in the catholic school. Depends on who is doing the bullying. If it's someone who's parents donate a lot of money to the school, the school is a lot less likely to come down hard on the student. (once again, only my experience at the school I taught at).

But you will never know unless you switch schools. It could be a great experience for your son, or an even worse. You just have to weigh all the options and decide what's better. I'm not a fan of just letting a kid decide their schooling. They have to learn that sometimes you have to learn to deal with a less than perfect situation. That's how life works. But if you truly believe his current school is a bad situation, I would consider moving him.
 
I changed schools midway thru 6th grade due to a move and was fine. I know its a different reason, though. I loved it because I made friends pretty easily, and bonus was I got to go to 6th grade science camp twice!

I went from public schools to catholic school when I entered high school. honestly my catholic school was great. yes there were mean kids and nice kids, and cliques, but my class was small (only 120 students), which compared to the public high was positively tiny. and I think sometimes smaller schools can be less overwhelming to kids. the cliques weren't nearly as cliquey as the public school ones, either. I mean, with 120 kids in your class, you knew everyone, even if you didn't hang out with them.

I would give it a shot, if your son feels ready for the change. but I would also make sure that he understands that bullying and such can take place anywhere, not just public schools, and make sure he has some tools that he can put in place if he finds the same thing happening. and put a timeframe on it. meaning, he can't decide a week/month/semester in that he hates it. maybe have him agree to stick it out till high school (unless something drastic happens, of course)

good luck with whatever you decide!
 
We moved DS18 half way through 6th grade for what sounds like pretty much the same situation-but from Catholic school to Public School. We did a lot of talking about reinventing yourself and about things that made him a target for the bullies and how to help himself. It was the best thing we could have done for him. He made some new friends and was VERY happy he left. The good friends he had at his old school still kept in contact so that was good too. We moved when he was going into 9th grade and that was even better for him. There were a lot of things he missed out on at his old school and that made him a little sad at times (they did a week of camping at the end of 6th grade, special graduation ceremony in 8th grade, etc.) but for the most part he was very happy to have moved.
 
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I think it could be a good thing. We have had several kids come from the public school to our Catholic school that did just fine. Although our prinicipal does encourage parents to talk to their kids about what happened at their old school so it does not follow them to the new school.
 
Thanks for all the responses! We have done alot of talking about reinventing himself and that there are bullies everywhere. I also have him meeting with a counselor to help him with tools to use to help himself.

We have to decide this week as the trimester ends Friday but DS is really pushing to let him go.
 
I don't think I'd jump into such a decision so quickly. You haven't said if he's an only child or if this will be a stretch for you financially or in other ways. And what about trying to make things better where he is - now that everyone's aware there's a problem? Learning how to problem solve is a great life lesson. What would happen if changing schools wasn't a possibility for him? Just some thoughts... It's good he's going to counseling. It's a tough age for many kids.
 
I don't think I'd jump into such a decision so quickly. You haven't said if he's an only child or if this will be a stretch for you financially or in other ways. And what about trying to make things better where he is - now that everyone's aware there's a problem? Learning how to problem solve is a great life lesson. What would happen if changing schools wasn't a possibility for him? Just some thoughts... It's good he's going to counseling. It's a tough age for many kids.

I agree that he does need to learn to problem solve and deal with things but even the counselor thinks a change might be better for him right now. He can still practice the skills he is learning but at the new school. This has actually been going on for awhile and while the school tries to address it things get better for a couple of days then go back to the way they were. I have emails and pictures (bite marks up his arm from another child) going all the way back to kindergarten. One of the bullies has been expelled three times but they keep letting him come back.

He is our oldest, he has a brother who is 9 that goes to a different elementary school. We have magnet elementary schools for GT and so his younger brother had to leave our neighborhood school when he was admitted into that program. This is a great fit for DS9 and I don't plan on moving him to the new school.

Financially we can swing the tuition without it having a significant effect on our lifestyle. The most difficult thing will be getting him home from school (DH and I both work) as he is currently bused home. He gets home about 15 minutes before I do and we just started letting him come home this year. Prior to that he went to after school care.
 
I switched schools in FIFTH grade... And 9th grade AND 3rd grade... ;) Of course, not by choice...

I remember each time, and each time it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It's a fresh start. It's scary, but I remember making new friends and feeling "normal" almost immediately. And I was a SHY kid.

Looking back, while it wasn't fun, it made me who I am. I adjust to situations easily. I DO wish I knew what it was like to go to high school and graduate with those I went to kindergarten with... Oh well!

Good luck!
 
it is the social piece he is struggling with.

There has always been an issue of bullying but I did not realize it was so bad.

momsully said:
This has actually been going on for awhile and while the school tries to address it things get better for a couple of days then go back to the way they were. I have emails and pictures (bite marks up his arm from another child) going all the way back to kindergarten. One of the bullies has been expelled three times but they keep letting him come back.
Your second post sounds a lot more serious than what you relayed in the op. I don't know what's been done up to now but I can understand how hard the situation must be for you and your son. Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
Will the possible new school allow him to visit for a little longer? My kids visited last year for 3 days. This gave them a better chance to get a feel for the school, various teachers, homework routines, etc (a week would have been best but three days was as much as the old school would allow). After three days they never went back to the old school. They visited with 8 weeks left in the school year with the intention of moving over the summer. However, both were really happy with the new school and so we jumped when given the option to move ASAP.

I wish I had found the new school sooner. Both kids had a really rough year last year (they were in some classes together as new German speakers and this is where the majority of bullying was happening). I gave the teachers the benefit of the doubt (that they were working on it and had a handle on the situation) far too many times and thought some of the issues with my kids were THEM and some was just their hormonal selves taking everything too hard. A week in the new school and they were different, happier, calmer kids. It made ALL the difference in the world.

Given the seriousness of the situations you are describing (bite marks, etc for YEARS), I think he should have the right to go to school where he is safe from being physically assaulted and I would pull him. Moving mid year can actually be easier--you get instant recognition as the one and only new kid and many teachers will work extra hard to help him blend in.

ETA-- I was not even thinking about my own childhood when I first posted. I was heavily bullied (physically and teasing) in grades 4-7 (entire time I was in that same system of schools). I moved schools half way through 7th grade. It meant riding a half hour (or more) down the canyon with my mom on her way to work every day and then walking to the library and waiting 3 hours for her to get off every evening. It was absolutely worth the extra hassle for me and I am to this day grateful that my parents finally got me out of a very bad situation. I did absolutely fine in the new school (and no one told me to reinvent myself or indicated I was to blame for being bullied--I was sent in with the attitude that not everyone is as mean as those kids and not to worry and it worked out).
 
Yes, 12 yr olds can be oversensitive & dramatic but if he wants to do it & understands the differences between the schools (catholic school may be more strict, etc) why not let him try it? what's the worst that could happen?
 
I do think it could be a chance of "grass is greener" kind of thing. If he was just shadowing for a half day, people are going to be overly nice and not mean to him. So, if he's coming from a bad situation, it is going to look great. But that doesn't mean once he starts into it, he won't have some of the same issues.

I have taught at both public and catholic high schools. Honestly, there isn't much of a difference when it comes to the kids. If anything, my experience (and only my experience) is that bullying sometimes is more tolerated in the catholic school. Depends on who is doing the bullying. If it's someone who's parents donate a lot of money to the school, the school is a lot less likely to come down hard on the student. (once again, only my experience at the school I taught at).

But you will never know unless you switch schools. It could be a great experience for your son, or an even worse. You just have to weigh all the options and decide what's better. I'm not a fan of just letting a kid decide their schooling. They have to learn that sometimes you have to learn to deal with a less than perfect situation. That's how life works. But if you truly believe his current school is a bad situation, I would consider moving him.


excellent post.

i have to echo that sometimes bullying can be worse in private schools because it's not nesc. addressed as much as it would be in the public schools. in my experience (taught at a private school and kids have attended different ones over the years), it can def. be an issue of it not being addressed due to the financial aspect/who your parents are in the parent church community, but it can also be due to (in religious based private schools) the mindset that any kid with bad behaviours can be changed through modeling good behaviours and prayer, with a heavy dose of repeated forgivness.

that's a problem we've seen ALLOT of in private religious based schools, esp. those that tend to take kids in who have the opposite issue your son has-being on the "giving" end of the bullying.

i've seen kids cycle into the schools my kids have attended that were literaly expelled from multiple public schools that truly were trying to address their problems but the parents were not doing their part so the kid ends up in a private school often times very resentful about it and more prone to cause trouble because it's been a long standing threat from their parents that they will send them there to "whip them into shape". the private school sells the parents on the concept of "it's a new fresh start/clean slate" and unfortunatly (in my opinion) does'nt appropriatly address those behaviours (is more forgiving of, puts a heavy burden of forgiving and praying for the bully on his/her new victims) because they want so much to believe/prove that they can change any kid.

i've seen behaviours tolerated that would have been the basis for immediate expulsion in a public school setting.


that said-i think given the situation, it's a good idea to ask the new school what their disciplinary model is, and maybe give them examples of some of the issues you've delt with in his current school. if they are very vague or say they don't have a problem with that issue in their school-be very cautious, if a school says they don't have a problem with bullying they are either outright lieing or ignorant of their population. it happens at every school to different degrees.


as for him changing schools right now, what's the makeup of the new school-have these kids all been together since k or even preschool? if so he needs to be aware that it can be harder making friends with these long standing relationships in place. despite being a great student, are the academic standards for his grade comparable at the new school or is he going to facing much more challenging work-and is he ready to put the time and effort into it (dd went from private school to public in 9th grade and has found with some, not all classes that she studied the curriculum/mastered the concepts years earlier. ds is in 7th grade at a private school now, and his math and esp. english classes are covering subjects that are not heavily focused on until freshman year in the public high schools). the other thing he will have to get used to is the inclusion of religious classes in his curriculum-and depending on how challenging they are, and how much of a base of knowledge he's got, might be the most difficult to jump into mid semester (i know it's a new trimester, but the new one builds on the previous one and while a private school might offer different levels of math and english classes for a 6th grader they usualy just have one level of religous instruction).



dd's one of those 'the grass is greener' kind of kids, but she's found that public or private school there are still the same kinds of problems occuring (though i'm impressed with her school's administration-they jump on these issues and deal with them immediatly) so she has had to learn skills to deal with it.


good luck with your decision, i hope you find a good fit for your son. i'll pass on one suggestion for you to share with him. don't make the mistake some kids from the public schools who are moving into private make-going into major details about why you changed/bad mouthing the public school you changed from. if you give allot of information out about having had to move because you were bullied, it can make you an appealing target for new bullies, AND you never know if circumstances will change where you have to/want to go back to the public school-and the private school kids live in the same neighborhoods as the public school kids do, so the negative things you've said can and do get back to your former classmates which can make it even harder if you do end up attending school with them again at a future date.
 
Who is bullying him, have teachers been involved, what are the bullies doing to him and how does he handle it?

Those are questions you need answers to in order to figure out if this is going to be "grass is greener" thing.

My kids have changed schools A LOT but not for those reasons. We moved around.

I have dd's and they never had trouble going off on the bullies in school. The "popular" kids are the worst because if you cross them they go out of their way to make an example of you.

So she knows who to smite and when to keep her mouth shut. It is the nature of the age group.
 
Thanks for all the responses! We have done alot of talking about reinventing himself and that there are bullies everywhere. I also have him meeting with a counselor to help him with tools to use to help himself.

We have to decide this week as the trimester ends Friday but DS is really pushing to let him go.

There is your answer right there-HE wants to go. It might work out and it might not but you have to give him the chance to try it. You KNOW the situation at his old school is BAD, you have to do SOMETHING. It is not going to change at the old school. Let him try the new school.
 
excellent post.

i have to echo that sometimes bullying can be worse in private schools because it's not nesc. addressed as much as it would be in the public schools. in my experience (taught at a private school and kids have attended different ones over the years), it can def. be an issue of it not being addressed due to the financial aspect/who your parents are in the parent church community, but it can also be due to (in religious based private schools) the mindset that any kid with bad behaviours can be changed through modeling good behaviours and prayer, with a heavy dose of repeated forgivness.

that's a problem we've seen ALLOT of in private religious based schools, esp. those that tend to take kids in who have the opposite issue your son has-being on the "giving" end of the bullying.

i've seen kids cycle into the schools my kids have attended that were literaly expelled from multiple public schools that truly were trying to address their problems but the parents were not doing their part so the kid ends up in a private school often times very resentful about it and more prone to cause trouble because it's been a long standing threat from their parents that they will send them there to "whip them into shape". the private school sells the parents on the concept of "it's a new fresh start/clean slate" and unfortunatly (in my opinion) does'nt appropriatly address those behaviours (is more forgiving of, puts a heavy burden of forgiving and praying for the bully on his/her new victims) because they want so much to believe/prove that they can change any kid.

i've seen behaviours tolerated that would have been the basis for immediate expulsion in a public school setting.


that said-i think given the situation, it's a good idea to ask the new school what their disciplinary model is, and maybe give them examples of some of the issues you've delt with in his current school. if they are very vague or say they don't have a problem with that issue in their school-be very cautious, if a school says they don't have a problem with bullying they are either outright lieing or ignorant of their population. it happens at every school to different degrees.


as for him changing schools right now, what's the makeup of the new school-have these kids all been together since k or even preschool? if so he needs to be aware that it can be harder making friends with these long standing relationships in place. despite being a great student, are the academic standards for his grade comparable at the new school or is he going to facing much more challenging work-and is he ready to put the time and effort into it (dd went from private school to public in 9th grade and has found with some, not all classes that she studied the curriculum/mastered the concepts years earlier. ds is in 7th grade at a private school now, and his math and esp. english classes are covering subjects that are not heavily focused on until freshman year in the public high schools). the other thing he will have to get used to is the inclusion of religious classes in his curriculum-and depending on how challenging they are, and how much of a base of knowledge he's got, might be the most difficult to jump into mid semester (i know it's a new trimester, but the new one builds on the previous one and while a private school might offer different levels of math and english classes for a 6th grader they usualy just have one level of religous instruction).



dd's one of those 'the grass is greener' kind of kids, but she's found that public or private school there are still the same kinds of problems occuring (though i'm impressed with her school's administration-they jump on these issues and deal with them immediatly) so she has had to learn skills to deal with it.


good luck with your decision, i hope you find a good fit for your son. i'll pass on one suggestion for you to share with him. don't make the mistake some kids from the public schools who are moving into private make-going into major details about why you changed/bad mouthing the public school you changed from. if you give allot of information out about having had to move because you were bullied, it can make you an appealing target for new bullies, AND you never know if circumstances will change where you have to/want to go back to the public school-and the private school kids live in the same neighborhoods as the public school kids do, so the negative things you've said can and do get back to your former classmates which can make it even harder if you do end up attending school with them again at a future date.

I disagree with most of your post. When I grew up and even now the nuns and priests dont seem tolerate major bullying, that is the kid who is tossed from the school. Around here the public school takes everyone. Now I am not talking about some teasing or kids not getting along, but outright bullying is not tolerated.

I moved twice and both times I was able to fit in with kids who had been together since first grade. I moved in 8th and these girls had all been together since first grade, yet I was invited to sit at the lunch table and have been friends with them ever since. Now they do have their stories but I have heard them all a million times that people forget I was not around, I had one guy I went to grade school with come up to me and ask me a question about some teacher in 6th grade. I told him I wasnt there. He was shocked, he forgot and said I just blended in so well.

DSs school is also very good about accepting new poeple, they actually get very excited about the new kid because it has been the same old faces since 1st grade.

I do agree with your last statement though, dont go into too much detail about why, although most people do seem to find out. One boy did struggle at first because of this but is fine now.

We also had a kid who came to our school, claimed he was bullied, mom made a huge stink, left the school. He then went to another school and has since left that one as well, claiming he was bullied again.
 














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