Celebrity Infinity crashes into Ketchikan Dock

[jdb in AZ]

Close up of damage to the ship

 

[disneyfaninaz]

Looks like more than a "scratch" to me.

 

[Steelers0854]

Looks like more than a "scratch" to me.

It will buff out

 

[OKW Lover]

Interesting stuff here. I'm especially appreciative of the comments provided by @Tonka's Skipper and @truck1. Question: Was there a pilot on board?

 

[truck1]

Interesting stuff here. I'm especially appreciative of the comments provided by @Tonka's Skipper and @truck1. Question: Was there a pilot on board?

Should have been. Problem is though the Master is still responsible.

 

[Bear3412]

... Question: Was there a pilot on board?

Exactly my thoughts too.

Of course there was.

 

[John VN]

It will buff out

A little bit of BONDO maybe????

 

[Claireywalsh]

This is where I got my info but of course it can always be incorrect. It shows the Infinity using 3 consistently and I think I read the NCL ship had just left and they show to be in 3 as well.

Hope wherever it is, others aren't impacted!

Heather

http://claalaska.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Ketchikan-KTN-2016.pdf

When we docked last August on the wonder we were at the very first pier point, it was a good 15 minute walk from where we were docked to where this collision happened-we did the deadliest catch experience and you can see the Aleutian ballad briefly docked at tender float 3 in the video. I don't think this is where the wonder will dock but will have some impact on the schedule of all the arguing cruise ships while it is out of action.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Interesting stuff here. I'm especially appreciative of the comments provided by @Tonka's Skipper and @truck1. Question: Was there a pilot on board?

As truck 1 said .......yes......


However

1. The Master is always in command of his vessel except in the Panama and Suez canals. Except for those two places, the Master is always in Command and is responsible for his vessel.

2, The MASTER can, but is not required to give the command of the vessel navigation and maneuvering to a pilot, but the Master is still in command. The Pilot is there to offer assistance to the Master and provide detailed expert knowledge of the local waters.

3.Involving a Marine casualty or accident the Master is always responsible of his vessel. The Pilot can also be held liable for his actions or mistakes, but the bottom line is still the Master.

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Close up of damage to the ship

Well there is the proof. There was indeed a gash, 12" X 10" and set in a max of 5", over a 6' X 6' area of the hull plating. Note the gray coating transfer from the dock. The bogger was indeed correct there was a gash. They must have gotten class to fly up or sent the photos and he approved a temporary patch from the inside. That horizontal gouge in the plating is where the hull hit a sharp corner of the dock at some point. Likely the first impact point.

Class would have approved the requirements for the repairs and the CG would have then signed off on them.

jbd, I stand corrected, I am amazed they let her sail with that kind of gash. This is why I never say never!


AKK

 

[truck1]

Well there is the proof. There was indeed a gash, 12" X 10" and set in a max of 5", over a 6' X 6' area of the hull plating. Note the gray coating transfer from the dock. The bogger was indeed correct there was a gash. They must have gotten class to fly up or sent the photos and he approved a temporary patch from the inside. That horizontal gouge in the plating is where the hull hit a sharp corner of the dock at some point. Likely the first impact point.

Class would have approved the requirements for the repairs and the CG would have then signed off on them.

jbd, I stand corrected, I am amazed they let her sail with that kind of gash. This is why I never say never!


AKK

I'm kinda of surprised but not at the same time. What may have happened is the senior engineer from Celebrity prob looked at the hole from video or pictures real time, and said put a temp patch by doing this this this and this, wrote it up, CG agreed and class prob agreed until perm repairs can be made. From the picture it doesn't look like anything major behind it like a engine room (too high) or support area, and it looks between frames, so they may have gotten lucky with "cosmetic" damage as opposed to structural.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I'm kinda of surprised but not at the same time. What may have happened is the senior engineer from Celebrity prob looked at the hole from video or pictures real time, and said put a temp patch by doing this this this and this, wrote it up, CG agreed and class prob agreed until perm repairs can be made. From the picture it doesn't look like anything major behind it like a engine room (too high) or support area, and it looks between frames, so they may have gotten lucky with "cosmetic" damage as opposed to structural.

Morning!

I am afraid your wrong on that Truck. The vessel would not move from the port until Class approved any temporary repairs. Not if they want to keep their insurance and their class, safe ship and Hull certificates. The CG would not give them clearance to sail until approved by class. Once class signs off on the repairs, only then would the CG issue the clearance to sail. The CG would never stick their necks out and let the ship sail without class approval.


I am not 100% on this ,but I would guess that is a frame or vertical web in the middle of the gash, severely distorted and bent

AKK

 

[truck1]

Morning!

I am afraid your wrong on that Truck. The vessel would not move from the port until Class approved any temporary repairs. Not if they want to keep their insurance and their class, safe ship and Hull certificates. The CG would not give them clearance to sail until approved by class. Once class signs off on the repairs, only then would the CG issue the clearance to sail. The CG would never stick their necks out and let the ship sail without class approval.


I am not 100% on this ,but I would guess that is a frame or vertical web in the middle of the gash, severely distorted and bent

AKK

What I was saying was that the senior engineer proposed the fix, sent it to class and the CG. Not that they just fixed and said whatever. They said we can do this and this, and the CG and class signed off on the fix before they did it. To me it almost looks like where 2 plates meet.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

What I was saying was that the senior engineer proposed the fix, sent it to class and the CG. Not that they just fixed and said whatever. They said we can do this and this, and the CG and class signed off on the fix before they did it. To me it almost looks like where 2 plates meet.

OK.close enough. After the class got the photos to class, the class and the chief and the port engineering staff would have a phone meeting and work out what class would allow the chief/owners to do and what class would require. After the chief and the would then send the class requirements for the repairs.

I am amazed class and the CG let them sail with this amount/type of damage. Usually a temporary repair would in involve a overlaying of a fitted plate, then welded tightly welded to the hull. 2 days work and that fit the certified materials were readily available. This must have some type of inner repair.

I wish we could more details.......I do not see a hull plate joint in the photo. In theopen gash I see the frame severely bent/distorted and the point where the frame was welded to the hull plating has been pulled/torn away.

She is a Lloyd Registry vessel, built in 2001, registered in Malta.

 

[xlxo]

The Infinity made it to Vancouver this morning with the flesh wound. Repairs are underway..... great savings with the depressed currency.

 

[FigmentSpark]

As truck 1 said .......yes......


However

1. The Master is always in command of his vessel except in the Panama and Suez canals. Except for those two places, the Master is always in Command and is responsible for his vessel.

2, The MASTER can, but is not required to give the command of the vessel navigation and maneuvering to a pilot, but the Master is still in command. The Pilot is there to offer assistance to the Master and provide detailed expert knowledge of the local waters.

3.Involving a Marine casualty or accident the Master is always responsible of his vessel. The Pilot can also be held liable for his actions or mistakes, but the bottom line is still the Master.

AKK

Interesting. What happens in the Suez and Panama?

 

[OKW Lover]

@truck1 @Tonka's Skipper I see frequent references to "class" in your posts here. I take it that is a term related to some maritime or insurance authority. Can you fill me in more?

 

[aroundtheriverbend]

The Infinity made it to Vancouver this morning with the flesh wound. Repairs are underway..... great savings with the depressed currency.

Can't really see the damage from the Vancouver pier, barges pulled up to it on the water side where expected.

 

[aroundtheriverbend]

Pretty grateful the Wonder goes to a different pier! Would hate to miss 1/3 land days!

 

[truck1]

OK.close enough. After the class got the photos to class, the class and the chief and the port engineering staff would have a phone meeting and work out what class would allow the chief/owners to do and what class would require. After the chief and the would then send the class requirements for the repairs.

I am amazed class and the CG let them sail with this amount/type of damage. Usually a temporary repair would in involve a overlaying of a fitted plate, then welded tightly welded to the hull. 2 days work and that fit the certified materials were readily available. This must have some type of inner repair.

I wish we could more details.......I do not see a hull plate joint in the photo. In theopen gash I see the frame severely bent/distorted and the point where the frame was welded to the hull plating has been pulled/torn away.

She is a Lloyd Registry vessel, built in 2001, registered in Malta.

In the close up that jdb provided, look to the left of the tin can look. It looks too clean and straight to be opened up by the impact. But at the same time, I don't see where it would have been welded either. Looking at it now, I cant tell if that's part of the frame, or heavy cables in the center of the opening.

Thinking about where they are, and where they are on the itin,realistically, it was probably easier to send the ship with a 1 off, limited time travel certificate, then it would be to leave her there, take up limited dock space, and wait on new plates etc to come from Vancouver, when her next stop was Vancouver. Iirc correctly, there is a shipyard there in Vancouver, and they should have the ability to do a better fix on it, then they would in Alaska.