CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[DisneyJamieCA]

The technology is gene therapy and these vaccines are different from what we have come to know as vaccines. Traditional vaccines are attenuated (weakened) or inert versions of the virus/bacteria with adjuvants that stimulate an immune response.

All these vaccines are taking specific proteins from COVID and programming our cells to make these proteins and stimulate our own immune systems to respond to them. While this is great it is limited in that your immune system will ONLY make antibodies to these specific proteins while if you are infected with wild virus your immune system will make antibodies to multiple markers on the virus.

This in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing but with the numbers so high and these variants they aren't the typical vaccines that we all think of. It is important to note since we have not used this technology before (and it can be used for all sorts of things, not just vaccines) we don't know the long term effects.

People should do what they feel is best and assess the risks for themselves. I'm happy for anyone who takes the vaccine and is happy with their decision. I don't like all the forcing of people or shaming of anyone that makes a different decision.

It is not gene therapy. As others have asked, please stop repeating that. You are wrong and the misinformation is dangerous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...es-are-not-gene-therapy-as-some-are-claiming/

 

[Jonfw2]

It's 100% not gene therapy.

 

[SmallWorld71]

FWIW, this was in the housing information email sent to all students at UMass Amherst, the largest public university in the state, re next year and vaccines:
"Please note, along with many other campuses, UMass Amherst is exploring a vaccination requirement for on campus residents. A final decision will be made once the university has federal, state, and legal guidance and will be dependent upon the availability of the vaccine. We will provide more information as soon as it is available."

Personally, I think that there is a high probability that to participate on campus at many universities, you will need to be vaccinated. I am sure that there will be medical and religious exemptions, but I think that eventually the requirement will be there. Dormitories, like nursing homes, prisons, etc... are at such high risk to be super spreaders. Time will tell, of course.

 

[Jonfw2]

I just read a phenomenal line on Twitter: "If you think vaccine passports have a lot of personal information on them, you should hear about passports".

 

[DLgal]

The technology is gene therapy and these vaccines are different from what we have come to know as vaccines. Traditional vaccines are attenuated (weakened) or inert versions of the virus/bacteria with adjuvants that stimulate an immune response.

All these vaccines are taking specific proteins from COVID and programming our cells to make these proteins and stimulate our own immune systems to respond to them. While this is great it is limited in that your immune system will ONLY make antibodies to these specific proteins while if you are infected with wild virus your immune system will make antibodies to multiple markers on the virus.

This in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing but with the numbers so high and these variants they aren't the typical vaccines that we all think of. It is important to note since we have not used this technology before (and it can be used for all sorts of things, not just vaccines) we don't know the long term effects.

People should do what they feel is best and assess the risks for themselves. I'm happy for anyone who takes the vaccine and is happy with their decision. I don't like all the forcing of people or shaming of anyone that makes a different decision.

The mRNA technology HAS BEEN USED IN GENE THERAPY.

It is not, in and of itself, gene therapy. Get it right.

 

[wenrob]

I just read a phenomenal line on Twitter: "If you think vaccine passports have a lot of personal information on them, you should hear about passports".

Right? This is one of the weirder concerns I’ve heard. In one of these threads I mentioned the info I gave to get my vax was minimal. My name, address and phone number. No SS or DL info. The only info on the card is my name and birthdate. If these passports *did* contain personal info I can’t imagine that info would be passed on to the venues, just your vaccination status. In any case the argument is kind of disingenuous when you consider that it’s being made on social media like FB (um, hellooo data mining) while using smartphones and we readily hand over our ID/DL to just about anyone who asks. And if it’s the government folks are worried about, don’t kid yourself thinking they don’t already have that information.

 

[DLgal]

Pfizer says its COVID-19 vaccine is 100% effective in children ages 12-15 - ABC News (go.com)

Great news! Wonder when they will submit to the FDA.

Probably by next week. I'm hoping for EUA approval by April 15, personally. I'd love for my 15 year old to be fully vaccinated by June so we can take a vacation this summer!

 

[DLgal]

I just read a phenomenal line on Twitter: "If you think vaccine passports have a lot of personal information on them, you should hear about passports".

Right? What else is on a vaccine passport other than your name, DOB and vaccine status? My drivers license has more information on it. People are so paranoid.

Although, can we blame them? They just learned their cell phones can narc on them when they participate in an insurrection.

 

[Colleen27]

There is no evidence that we have increasing reinfections or that the vaccine is not working, it seems that most of the rate increases are in places where they did not have as major or flare ups after the initial Spring surge last year. A place like Texas that is fairly wide open is still experiencing a strong downward trajectory. While the #s aren't great right now, the sheer # of vaccinations every day will keep this from becoming very bad, imho.

That's what I keep reminding myself when the local numbers get overwhelming. There seems to be a sort of tipping point around 90-100K cases per million that divides the states that are increasing from those that are reopening without new surges. I just happen to live in a state that is WAY below that (around 60K cpm), so this phase of the whole situation looks gloomier here than elsewhere.

Right? What else is on a vaccine passport other than your name, DOB and vaccine status? My drivers license has more information on it. People are so paranoid.

Although, can we blame them? They just learned their cell phones can narc on them when they participate in an insurrection.

Yeah, I think that might be the funniest thing about some of these conspiracy theories... people who walk around with a GPS-enabled device with a number of marketing-oriented surveillance tools enabled, using those devices to fret on perhaps the most intrusive of the social media platforms about microchips in vaccines or vaccination passports as a violation of privacy. As though they're entirely unaware that they've long since surrendered their privacy of their own free will.

 

[Disneefun]

That's what kills me about all this "They're tracking us!" nonsense. Most of it comes from people who carry cell phones and post everything on social media. You can talk to me about tracking when you stop carrying the "tracker" that's attached to your arm every minute of every day, and willingly putting your life online. Until then, anyone who wants to know about you can do so, without a vaccine passport or a "vaccine that puts a tracker in you," to quote some crazy conspiracy theories. Good grief. Worry more about the info. you're willingly handing over every day before you worry about some nebulous dark side of the government "tracking" you.

 

[Katiebird]

Probably by next week. I'm hoping for EUA approval by April 15, personally. I'd love for my 15 year old to be fully vaccinated by June so we can take a vacation this summer!

I think it will be more like 6 weeks - it usually takes them a week or two to submit for review, and the past approvals have all taken 3-4 weeks. But, in 6 weeks or so we should have much better supply and appointment availability!

I can’t express how relieved I am that DD should be fully vaccinated before the school year starts again late July (we’re year round) and she may finally get to experience high school.

 

[DLgal]

I think it will be more like 6 weeks - it usually takes them a week or two to submit for review, and the past approvals have all taken 3-4 weeks. But, in 6 weeks or so we should have much better supply and appointment availability! I can’t express how relieved I am that DD should be fully vaccinated before the school year starts again late July (we’re year round) and she may finally get to experience high school.

This study was much smaller though, and we are talking about an already EUA approved vaccine with the same dosage. A cursory look over the safety data should not take as long as it did the first time around.

 

[Katiebird]

This study was much smaller though, and we are talking about an already EUA approved vaccine with the same dosage. A cursory look over the safety data should not take as long as it did the first time around.

Agree, but at the same time they will likely spend more time on it because it’s pediatric. I hope it’s less time!

 

[Mango7100]

I just read a phenomenal line on Twitter: "If you think vaccine passports have a lot of personal information on them, you should hear about passports".

That is fabulous! I’m going to have remember that one

 

[jlwhitney]

Right? What else is on a vaccine passport other than your name, DOB and vaccine status? My drivers license has more information on it. People are so paranoid.

Although, can we blame them? They just learned their cell phones can narc on them when they participate in an insurrection.

People are more concerned that it opens the door to future vaccines or drugs being a requirement to do things and while Covid vax they are fine with doesn’t mean they will be fine with something in the future.

 

[DLgal]

People are more concerned that it opens the door to future vaccines or drugs being a requirement to do things and while Covid vax they are fine with doesn’t mean they will be fine with something in the future.

Well, if there is another pandemic in the future, I would expect the same thing to happen. Do people NOT understand the gravity of what a global pandemic means for society at large?

And again, vaccines are ALREADY required for a LOT of things. School, many jobs, international travel to "exotic" destinations, etc.

 

[jlwhitney]

Well, if there is another pandemic in the future, I would expect the same thing to happen. Do people NOT understand the gravity of what a global pandemic means for society at large?

And again, vaccines are ALREADY required for a LOT of things. School, many jobs, international travel to "exotic" destinations, etc.

but they aren’t required for going to the store to concerts and such. And yes there is a real concern with the concept of vaccine passports. but I don’t think we will see much of it here anyway outside of the same places that requires them and the same exemptions will apply.

 

[tink2424]

No they aren't. You are grossly misinformed, and spreading misinformation. Again.

It is not gene therapy. As others have asked, please stop repeating that. You are wrong and the misinformation is dangerous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...es-are-not-gene-therapy-as-some-are-claiming/

It's 100% not gene therapy.

Ok, so tell me of another vaccine that takes genetic material (RNA or DNA) and has that material enter your cells to make proteins that you otherwise wouldn't make. Go ahead, I will wait. That my friends is gene therapy...

Now, again for those who have trouble understanding, this is not necessarily a bad thing. If these truly don't cause any long term side effects in most people then it would be great for our prospects of current viruses/bacteria we don't have vaccines for, future outbreaks and even possibly to help treat or cure other diseases.

And no, they don't change your genetic material (DNA) but they do instruct it to produce proteins that it otherwise wouldn't make. So, I can see why the statement bothers you but again it isn't necessarily a bad thing. We just don't know what we don't know.

That's all I will say on this so feel free to respond but I will just not reply back.

 

[DLgal]

but they aren’t required for going to the store to concerts and such. And yes there is a real concern with the concept of vaccine passports. but I don’t think we will see much of it here anyway outside of the same places that requires them and the same exemptions will apply.

No store is ever going to require vaccines to shop there. Concert venues are a different story and frankly, I HOPE they require covid vaccines to attend. Anywhere that has lots of people crammed into an indoor space where there will be yelling and screaming and singing needs to have some pretty strict attendance protocols in the near future, at least. And things like cruise ships ABSOLUTELY need to require vaccines. Look at what happened on those ships at the start of this pandemic. Those things are literally floating petri dishes. Those cruise lines are well within their rights to require anything they want, given the absolutely appalling situations that took place with trapped cruisers last spring.

People and their "rights" don't trump private businesses and their "rights." The fact that people don't seem to grasp this is maddening (and I'm not singling you out here, just making a general statement).

 

[DLgal]

Ok, so tell me of another vaccine that takes genetic material (RNA or DNA) and has that material enter your cells to make proteins that you otherwise wouldn't make. Go ahead, I will wait. That my friends is gene therapy...

No, gene therapy CHANGES your own DNA and uses it to compensate for abnormal genes or to make a beneficial protein that is otherwise not being made due to faulty genetics. It is a way to correct for mutated genes by introducing a normal copy of the gene to restore the function of the protein.

My gosh. This is basic science here. These vaccines are closer to immunotherapy than gene therapy. Gene therapy CAN be used as an immunotherapy, but they are not interchangeable.