CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[KrazeeK120]

you are now 6. Pa is now five as Illinois is losing population and pa is growing

Ok, well, we are still well within top 20.

 

[anniemae]

I heard today that NJ now has the highest cases per capita in the U.S. My county is in the top two of cases surging, and we don't border the city. One hypothesis is this is occurring because I live in a county where people are commuting to NYC....and they're bringing it back from there. But....I will tell you right now....that's not true, because people are not commuting to NYC. The NYT reported that the number of commuters is 10%....legit, 10% of what it was in 2019.

I think the CDC director was emotional today because we're in that race against the clock....getting people vaccinated vs. people dying and they are very concerned about existing variants (especially South Africa and Brazil)....and any that may pop up. She's pleading with leaders and Americans to hang on a bit longer until we get more people vaccinated.

I have a few customers out of town this week who took flights to destinations in the U.S....and one couple to Mexico. They said that the airports and flights were packed. So....we'll see where we go from here I guess.

And states are opening up and dropping restrictions, and schools are opening up. Makes me really nervous. We can't vaccinate fast enough.

 

[godisney14]

Insane that Virginia is still 65+ for vax except health conditions/certain jobs. Has to be the only state in top 20 population to have such a high age cutoff.

CA is another besides all the previous states people mentioned.

 

[EACarlson]

Looks like this is the first school to require a vaccine to attend.

https://www.rutgers.edu/news/rutgers-require-covid-19-vaccine-students

For the moment. I'm going to be very surprised if this isn't challenged in court and put on hold. I have already seen legal advice to employers not to attempt to require it unless they have a direct business need.

In other news, I managed to change my vaccination appointment from a 4.5 hour drive to a 7 minute drive.

 

[Jonfw2]

For the moment. I'm going to be very surprised if this isn't challenged in court and put on hold. I have already seen legal advice to employers not to attempt to require it unless they have a direct business need.

In other news, I managed to change my vaccination appointment from a 4.5 hour drive to a 7 minute drive.

Is Rutgers private?

 

[dvcgirl67]

For the moment. I'm going to be very surprised if this isn't challenged in court and put on hold. I have already seen legal advice to employers not to attempt to require it unless they have a direct business need.

Because....freedom? I'm just so over the stupidity. There's a gym in NJ where the owner, who was arrested once or twice because he kept his gym open during the lockdown.....is giving away free memberships to people who refuse to be vaccinated. He needs to go to court too.....to change his first name from whatever it is.....to Moron.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Is Rutgers private?

Nope....state school.

 

[Jonfw2]

Nope....state school.

yeah...that will be interesting. I mean, there is precedent for requiring vaccinations in the name of public safety. So we shall see.

 

[mrs. magoo]

Since beginning vaccinations, Israel has gone from 9,000 cases per day to 600.

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This is what I have been watching so closely for the last 2 months. I am pleased to see this progress in Israel and hope that this is what the future will bring to the US. Yesterday their cases were under 300. Fingers crossed for these results here.

 

[EACarlson]

Is Rutgers private?

No, it is the state university of NJ. Which is why I think it won't happen. I have no problems if a private university decides to require it, I have a big problem with any government entity requiring experimental medical treatment for service. It would also be a somewhat different conversation if the vaccines held full FDA authorization.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

No, it is the state university of NJ. Which is why I think it won't happen. I have no problems if a private university decides to require it, I have a big problem with any government entity requiring experimental medical treatment for service. It would also be a somewhat different conversation if the vaccines held full FDA authorization.

It's a bit tiring when people keep using the "experimental medical treatment". It's a very deliberate way of describing it.

As far as full FDA approval or not if you really believe the issue is it's an experimental medical treatment it won't matter one bit if the FDA gave full approval from day one because it would still be considered experimental medical treatment by the description people use when they say that phrase. Seem like just a way for people to thumb their nose at it. I thought you got the vaccine which makes it somewhat more interesting you saying experimental medical treatment. Usually people who use that don't want the vaccine because well it's experimental in their minds and they don't trust it, they don't want something they don't have all the little details of injected in their body, etc.

 

[KingAugie]

Investigational vaccine according to the FDA's EUA. So yeah it's still kind of "experimental", and it does not have full FDA approval yet.
No need to assume the OP meant anything other than what they said.

My State opened up eligibility but still no appointments available under 100 miles from me. Insane.

 

[pezgirlroy]

No, it is the state university of NJ. Which is why I think it won't happen. I have no problems if a private university decides to require it, I have a big problem with any government entity requiring experimental medical treatment for service. It would also be a somewhat different conversation if the vaccines held full FDA authorization.

If my understanding is correct though you can still attend but if not vaccinated it is to be remote. That may be the loophole they are using due to the FDA classification.

 

[RamblingMad]

For the moment. I'm going to be very surprised if this isn't challenged in court and put on hold. I have already seen legal advice to employers not to attempt to require it unless they have a direct business need.

In other news, I managed to change my vaccination appointment from a 4.5 hour drive to a 7 minute drive.

Grade schools require vaccines. I don’t see how this is any different.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Investigational vaccine according to the FDA's EUA. So yeah it's still kind of "experimental", and it does not have full FDA approval yet.
No need to assume the OP meant anything other than what they said.

My State opened up eligibility but still no appointments available under 100 miles from me. Insane.

Everyone can agree this is a new vaccine though it has been worked on in past variations over time. I've paid attention to past posts of people in general. Experimental medical treatment is consistently used in a specific way from people. Just the way it is.

I can understand when people are discussing whether a place can require a vaccine without FDA approval because of legality discussion. That is however a different topic entirely than saying experimental medical treatment when you're discussing it. That is used for a reason. Just the way it is.

 

[KingAugie]

Everyone can agree this is a new vaccine though it has been worked on in past variations over time. I've paid attention to past posts of people in general. Experimental medical treatment is consistently used in a specific way from people. Just the way it is.

I can understand when people are discussing whether a place can require a vaccine without FDA approval because of legality discussion. That is however a different topic entirely than saying experimental medical treatment when you're discussing it. That is used for a reason. Just the way it is.

The pp was discussing the legalities for requiring a vaccine that does not have FDA approval, but OK.

 

[EACarlson]

It's a bit tiring when people keep using the "experimental medical treatment". It's a very deliberate way of describing it which usually reflects someone's political leaning.

As far as full FDA approval or not if you really believe the issue is it's an experimental medical treatment it won't matter one bit if the FDA gave full approval from day one because it would still be considered experimental medical treatment by the description people use when they say that phrase. Seem like just a way for people to thumb their nose at it. I thought you got the vaccine which makes it somewhat more interesting you saying experimental medical treatment. Usually people who use that don't want the vaccine because well it's experimental in their minds and they don't trust it, they don't want something they don't have all the little details of injected in their body, etc.

Investigational drug or experimental drug is the nomenclature the FDA uses when discussing those drugs that may qualify for an EUA or expanded access but not full FDA authorization. My issue is the government requiring something that the government agency in charge of saying whether or not drugs are safe and effective has not given full authorization to. There are also real questions of what will be the next treatment to be required. I believe that everyone should be able to make the decision for themselves if they want it or not. I made the choice myself to get it, and went far out of my way to do so. I'm also one that has two of the most significant co-morbidities, I'm Indiginous, diabetic and according to BMI, overweight. I made the decision that the possibility of serious complications from COVID outweighed the unknown possibility of complications from the vaccine. I am certainly not going to take issue with those that make a different decision. Everyone needs to make their own choices.

The FDA couldn't give it full authorization, there hasn't been nearly enough study done, nor enough follow up on those that have been vaccinated. We don't know what possible side effects there will be months or even years down the road.

How nice of you to assume my political leanings based on my word usage. But you're probably wrong.

Grade schools require vaccines. I don’t see how this is any different.

Grade schools require vaccines that have full FDA authorizations, and at least in the two states I'm familiar with there are very large loopholes that parents can use if they choose not to vaccinate.

 

[RamblingMad]

If we wait for this to get full FDA approval, we’ll find ourselves locked down again. A big step toward getting to herd immunity is for schools to require it. We have already seen measles outbreaks due to people using loopholes to get around vaccinations. And given how quickly the UK variant is spreading right now in the US, we need to shut this virus down or shutdown again. Pick your poison.

 

[KingAugie]

If we wait for this to get full FDA approval, we’ll find ourselves locked down again. A big step toward getting to herd immunity is for schools to require it. We have already seen measles outbreaks due to people using loopholes to get around vaccinations. And given how quickly the UK variant is spreading right now in the US, we need to shut this virus down or shutdown again. Pick your poison.

Morally right doesn't mean legally right. Just because you think schools should require it doesn't mean there couldn't be legal issues to them doing so if it isn't FDA approved.
Also, not sure if you are speaking about colleges or you are talking about all schools. The vaccine isn't approved for anyone under 16 at this point. Definitely would have legal issues there.

 

[RamblingMad]

Morally right doesn't mean legally right. Just because you think schools should require it doesn't mean there couldn't be legal issues to them doing so if it isn't FDA approved.
Also, not sure if you are speaking about colleges or you are talking about all schools. The vaccine isn't approved for anyone under 16 at this point. Definitely would have legal issues there.

Courts are slow. If it goes that route, we should just plan to shutdown again and start hoarding toilet paper and flour again.