CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Jonfw2]

I believe they are relatively comparable as well with +/- 15% efficacy. Not sure what you were referring to with “more needles in arms”, but, yes, it does mean another vaccine that can be distributed and another vaccine that will likely need boosters.

More needles in arms means more supply of vaccine.

 

[Pyotr]

I'm hoping at this point, what comes from the CDC is straight facts, without spin or omission.

I understand that people are fatigued, and I am so over it myself. But it's possible to hear not rosy news and accept it for what it is - facts. At least, it should be possible.

The same agency that said masks are more efficient than a vaccine?

 

[godisney14]

The same agency that said masks are more efficient than a vaccine?

That remark is definitely a misunderstanding of the science that people so want to hear (believe).

 

[Pyotr]

That remark is definitely a misunderstanding of the science that people so want to hear (believe).

That is literally what he said.

Let’s not pretend that the CDC isn’t political, because they are. Look at the school reopening guidelines. It’s not based on science. Here is a good article on it.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/20/new-cdc-school-opening-guidelines-dont-follow-the-science/

I’m assuming the CDC is being negative because people are fatigued and they’re trying to manipulate behavior as long as they can.

 

[aggiedog]

I’d look at the calendar date for when the CDC made announcements first.

 

[Jonfw2]

That remark is definitely a misunderstanding of the science that people so want to hear (believe).

His point stands- they’ve been wrong a lot.

 

[DLgal]

His point stands- they’ve been wrong a lot.

No, they were told what to say for too long.

 

[Jonfw2]

No, they were told what to say for too long.

Regardless, they’ve been wrong a lot.

 

[Pyotr]

Sorry for going down the political rabbit hole.

I truly believe the worst is behind us and better days are ahead.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Here’s something interesting about J&J’s vaccine that has been mentioned in the news but probably not as extensively for most people to know about. But, possible many here have heard by now.

J&J is currently conducting a 2-dose trial ( on day 57) and they expect the data to be available sometime in May.

The efficacy from their recent completed study showed it could be better. And J&J is studying exactly that, whether their vaccine could be more effective with variants by a 2nd dose. For example, at day 28, the vaccine efficacy to prevent moderate to severe infection among predominant South African variant was about ~60% with a single dose. And, as have been discussed here that there needs to be an asterisk on the J&J numbers when comparing to Pfizer and Moderna, the efficacy from US participants was lower than Pfizer’s and Moderna’s.

Good points.

This is what my local area mentioned last night in an article where they were talking about not being "picky".

"The Johnson & Johnson's vaccine was put through clinical trials later on, with more variants of the coronavirus in circulation, and it was tested in South Africa while the variant in that country was the dominant strain. Charlie Shields, president and CEO of Truman Medical Centers/University Health, said he's hoping people won't do "vaccine shopping" when they are all safe and effective. If you look at the efficacy rate in terms of preventing asymptomatic transmission, it (Johnson & Johnson) may not be as high as Pfizer or Moderna, but the efficacy rate of keeping you out of the hospital, keeping you well is very high," Shields said."

With Moderna out in my county now it will be Pfizer and eventually J&J unless I get the vaccine in a different county which is completely possible. I'm still several months out from being eligible but I'd take any of them I just want one lol. The number of doses needed is not an issue whatsoever with me personally. Gardasil was 3 doses spaced apart, 2 or 1 doesn't matter to me and I presently have that flexibility in scheduling that it won't be a problem.

On an update unrelated to this topic my friend who I mentioned worked in retail (and is in the county next to me) she received her second dose yesterday

 

[Colleen27]

I keep hearing on the news that the cdc is concerned because numbers are rising. They are concerned with the variants and states opting up too early:

Feb. 26, 2021 -- After several weeks of declining, COVID-19 numbers are back on the rise and new variants continue to emerge, according to White House officials -- just as states begin to lift restrictions and open doors to restaurants and businesses.
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, reported during a Friday COVID-19 briefing that covid cases and deaths have increased over the past few days. On Monday, she reported a 7-day average of 66,000 cases and 1,900 deaths per day. Those numbers increased over 4 days to 66,350 and 2,000, respectively.

What I find interesting is that when cases were dropping every single day, by significant margins, the message was "we have to wait and see if this is real, not just a blip in the data" but a 0.5% increase in cases over four days on the heel of national weather-related chaos and "the states are opening too quickly" and "we need to be prepared for new variants".

I understand that (some)media are to blame for seeming to only share the bad news. But the bad news today (that cases are rising, maybe b/c of variants, ect..) was straight from the CDC. They have no reason to lie, correct?

Lie isn't the word I'd use in either case. The media has financial incentives to deliver the content that people will share and engage with, which often means giving negative and scary news more attention than positive or neutral news just because fear is an excellent motivator of attention. So the balance of coverage you see is shaped by the nature of media as an institution. The CDC, on the other hand, has as its mission protecting the public health. As such, they may downplay good news if they fear it would encourage premature relaxing of public health measures, as we're seeing now with the comments discouraging states from "reopening prematurely" amid plunging case numbers. Neither organization is lying, but they're both shaping the message to further their own needs and objectives.

 

[Jonfw2]

What I find interesting is that when cases were dropping every single day, by significant margins, the message was "we have to wait and see if this is real, not just a blip in the data" but a 0.5% increase in cases over four days on the heel of national weather-related chaos and "the states are opening too quickly" and "we need to be prepared for new variants".



Lie isn't the word I'd use in either case. The media has financial incentives to deliver the content that people will share and engage with, which often means giving negative and scary news more attention than positive or neutral news just because fear is an excellent motivator of attention. So the balance of coverage you see is shaped by the nature of media as an institution. The CDC, on the other hand, has as its mission protecting the public health. As such, they may downplay good news if they fear it would encourage premature relaxing of public health measures, as we're seeing now with the comments discouraging states from "reopening prematurely" amid plunging case numbers. Neither organization is lying, but they're both shaping the message to further their own needs and objectives.

Well said. And then there's also the media's trick of the headline vs the content: put the worst detail in the headline, then make people read to paragraph 27 to get why it's not as big of a deal as it sounded like.

 

[TLSnell1981]

That remark is definitely a misunderstanding of the science that people so want to hear (believe).

It's their messaging NOT the science.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Well said. And then there's also the media's trick of the headline vs the content: put the worst detail in the headline, then make people read to paragraph 27 to get why it's not as big of a deal as it sounded like.

Many folks don't read lengthy articles IF they read any at all. They hear sound bites while driving home from work or cooking dinner and trying to get the kids to do their homework.

 

[Jonfw2]

2.3 million vaccinated yesterday- biggest day yet.

 

[TLSnell1981]

2.3 million vaccinated yesterday- biggest day yet.

We’ve accomplished quite a bit in the last two and a half months! Imagine where we will be by spring!

 

[Jonfw2]

We’ve accomplished quite a bit in the last two and a half months! Imagine where we will be by spring!

Absolutely no reason we can't get to 3 million shots per day. None.

 

[Pyotr]

Did the FDA approve J&J? I know yesterday the independent panel recommended it.

 

[Jonfw2]

Did the FDA approve J&J? I know yesterday the independent panel recommended it.

Couple more days- but states are already being told how many doses to expect.

 

[Pyotr]

Couple more days- but states are already being told how many doses to expect.

Yay!!!!!

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