CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Jonfw2]

That may be offset by all the other care that has been deferred because patients couldn't or wouldn't come in during the pandemic. I've certainly seen that in my practice. I'm getting some much more serious cases of new diagnosis of tumors, etc, because patients waited, some almost for a year, to come in.

Wow- great point.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Totally agree. Asymptomatic spread is a real phenomenon, especially in younger people. I know so many college kids who got tested because they were required to get tested, or because a contact tested positive. Many of them had no symptoms at all. They had no idea.

The prison pop for whatever reason has a high amount of asymptomatic spread. At least according to my state large outbreaks aren't being filled with inmate after inmate with symptoms presenting but rather a handful and then due to the congregate setting (and at times lack of consistent testing to squash cases more quickly) the cases explode from there without many inmates actually developing symptoms and they generally only find them when they do mass amounts of testing like finding cases for college students to come back from breaks.

 

[Pyotr]

In reference to asymptomatic spread, I have attached an article published in December that reports 0 asymptomatic spread in Wuhan China. I posted this article in another thread but unfortunately it was locked.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

 

[DLgal]

Totally agree. Asymptomatic spread is a real phenomenon, especially in younger people. I know so many college kids who got tested because they were required to get tested, or because a contact tested positive. Many of them had no symptoms at all. They had no idea.

This still doesn't prove asymptomatic SPREAD. It maybe proves asymptomatic infection.

 

[bcla]

I guess the federal government is starting up federally operated mass vaccination sites in a pilot program. The two that will open in California will be at California State University, Los Angeles, and at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum.

https://abc7.com/california-covid-1...day-vaccine-distribution-ca-rollout/10278426/

 

[gwynne]

Vaccines have landed at our local pharmacy. LOTS of available appts.
Our county continues to limit shots to only people over 80. 80 and over seem to be struggling with signing up per local media. (Really? They couldn't predict this?) They are adding a phone number so the elders can call vs sign up online.

Anyway, at this point full days of vaccine appts are going unused.
Insane system.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I'm going to say just no. There definitely is a larger number than zero, but I do think there is plenty of completely asymptomatic spread. I'm a surgeon. We started getting 72 hour pre-op PCR tests on all patients for covid 6 weeks ago. We have about a 10% positive rate. Most of those are people who have not had it before, and were not sick at or around the time of testing.

Yes, there are lots of very random symptoms Covid can cause, both small and large, but I think that many, many people really are asymptomatic. To think otherwise is dangerous -"I feel fine, so I can't possibly have it, or give it to someone else."

Were they possibly pre symptomatic not asymptomatic? Were the follow up tests positive too?

 

[godisney14]

I mean, on any given day, I have at least ONE "covid symptom." I am healthy overall, and have never actually had Covid. But it is rare day where I don't at some point experience SOMETHING like a runny nose or congestion, mild headache, abdominal upset, etc. I very rarely feel perfectly fine. I have a few chronic conditions like allergies, migraine, IBS. There is no way, if I contract Covid, that I will honestly be able to say I have NOT had any listed symptoms in the last 14 days. I think many people are so used to these mild "symptoms" that they write them off or completely forget about them. I do. I can't pinpoint which days over the last 2 weeks I have had a headache, for example because for me, having a mild headache is like my baseline.

As aggiedog has mentioned, similarly, many people (relatively) come into the ER with all sorts of unrelated issues and then find out they are positive after getting tested.

We are dealing with a family of coronavirus. It’s no surprise, it will manifest into symptoms spanning that of the general cold (and more). And this is the concern that people who are asymptomatic are spreading it to others because of both a lack of knowing and ignorance.

 

[TinkB278]

Ive read that asymptomatic people don’t typically spread the virus too well.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Vaccines have landed at our local pharmacy. LOTS of available appts.
Our county continues to limit shots to only people over 80. 80 and over seem to be struggling with signing up per local media. (Really? They couldn't predict this?) They are adding a phone number so the elders can call vs sign up online.

Anyway, at this point full days of vaccine appts are going unused.
Insane system.

Who is eligible for the vaccines at the pharmacies? Is it only age 80+?

 

[gwynne]

Who is eligible for the vaccines at the pharmacies?

Only state residents 80 and over.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Only state residents 80 and over.

Yeah that's an issue for sure. It would be one thing if the county was like we're only going to be able to do 80+ but pharmacies can do 65+ which could include 80+ (or whatever age group, 65 just seems to be the most common age).

 

[Cheburashka]

Ive read that asymptomatic people don’t typically spread the virus too well.

If that were the case, Covid wouldn't be spreading the way it is.

 

[gwynne]

Yeah that's an issue for sure. It would be one thing if the county was like we're only going to be able to do 80+ but pharmacies can do 65+ which could include 80+ (or whatever age group, 65 just seems to be the most common age).

Exactly. Use the public health folks and a phone number, give the elders 80-100+ personal service.
It's not good to force the pharmacies hold back vaccines for who knows how long. They would be the place for many 65 and ups to easily get the vaccine.

 

[Colleen27]

If that were the case, Covid wouldn't be spreading the way it is.

That's not necessarily true. There are still two major groups that are likely to spread the disease very efficiently: those who are pre-symptomatic, because most viruses are contagious for several days before the onset of symptoms, and those with mild and/or atypical symptoms that they mistake for something chronic or non-contagious (like allergies or migraines). Both are likely to go about life more or less as normal, unaware that they're spreading the virus.

 

[DLgal]

Vaccines have landed at our local pharmacy. LOTS of available appts.
Our county continues to limit shots to only people over 80. 80 and over seem to be struggling with signing up per local media. (Really? They couldn't predict this?) They are adding a phone number so the elders can call vs sign up online.

Anyway, at this point full days of vaccine appts are going unused.
Insane system.

Go stalk the pharmacy near closing time. Bet you'll score a shot.

It's called vaccine hunting and young people everywhere are doing it.

 

[gwynne]

Go stalk the pharmacy near closing time. Bet you'll score a shot.

It's called vaccine hunting and young people everywhere are doing it.

Maybe down the road. Right now I can see the all the unused appts. I'd doubt they will have "extra" that might be wasted with few or no takers. Crazy.

 

[Farro]

Second dose update - I feel like butt!

that is all.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It's called vaccine hunting and young people everywhere are doing it.

I read a fascinating story about that. One guy who launched this sorta underground but not system where they keep track of these places, people driving across state line, hours away, hanging out around pharmacies all day, etc.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Second dose update - I feel like butt!

that is all.

Hopefully it goes away quickly!