CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[disneychick0412]

I've already gotten my first dose (Moderna - 1 week ago). I'm having a hard time reading comments on social media because of all the conspiracy theories and people who say "I aint getting no vaccine". While it is their right, I don't understand what they think will end this pandemic. If not the vaccine, then what? We just keep letting people die at a rate of 09/11 every single day? I guess if they don't believe its that bad, then they wouldn't feel motivated to get the shot. That kind of stuff really gets me down, so I'm limiting my time reading it. It drives me nuts when they say that their local hospital has plenty of beds. Even if that is true, it doesn't make it so for all hospitals all over the country. I wish those people could spend a few hours shadowing at a Covid Unit or ICU. (Without masks of course, since they don't work) Reading this thread and others like it on the DIS are helping me to keep the faith that things are going to get better.

 

[anniemae]

There was a guy on the news last night and he was saying we should have vaccine centers open 24 hours giving the vaccine. As crazy as that sound and probably logistically not possible, I kind of wish they would do this. Just get everyone done asap. UK just went into lockdown, different strains are emerging, hospitalizations are up, and we are just dragging our feet. I know it will pick up and I know it is a huge undertaking to vaccinate everyone, but I just don't want to wait. LOL!

 

[gwynne]

There was a guy on the news last night and he was saying we should have vaccine centers open 24 hours giving the vaccine. As crazy as that sound and probably logistically not possible, I kind of wish they would do this. Just get everyone done asap. UK just went into lockdown, different strains are emerging, hospitalizations are up, and we are just dragging our feet. I know it will pick up and I know it is a huge undertaking to vaccinate everyone, but I just don't want to wait. LOL!

At a minimum, they should be giving vaccine shots 7 days a week, 7am to 11pm. This is a health emergency. Dithering and delaying is only giving the virus more time to spread and mutate.

 

[wenrob]

There was a guy on the news last night and he was saying we should have vaccine centers open 24 hours giving the vaccine. As crazy as that sound and probably logistically not possible, I kind of wish they would do this. Just get everyone done asap. UK just went into lockdown, different strains are emerging, hospitalizations are up, and we are just dragging our feet. I know it will pick up and I know it is a huge undertaking to vaccinate everyone, but I just don't want to wait. LOL!

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible but then again I’m from a 24/7 hour town. ERs are open 24/7 and so are many pharmacies and Quick Cares. Unless it’s due to lack of staff there shouldn’t be a reason why they couldn’t. I would think anyone motivated to get vaccinated would be willing to go get it at 2am. I would. As mentioned before, call in the military, set up sites and let’s get er done!

 

[anniemae]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible but then again I’m from a 24/7 hour town. ERs are open 24/7 and so are many pharmacies and Quick Cares. Unless it’s due to lack of staff there shouldn’t be a reason why they couldn’t. I would think anyone motivated to get vaccinated would be willing to go get it at 2am. I would. As mentioned before, call in the military, set up sites and let’s get er done!

Yes! Why can't we do this???? I was thinking staffing could be an issue but maybe not. I would also go at 2am. Why can't they consult with us and get this started??? LOL!!

 

[disneypharm]

Interesting report!
https://www.latimes.com/california/...ifornia-town-had-to-use-or-lose-vaccine-shots

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Unless it’s due to lack of staff

I'm guessing in some areas it really would come down to lack of staff. Even in places that are 24/7 your minute clinics and the like are rarely open for that. The people administering the shots may not be in such supply that they could even get that many to do it for that long. And TBH there some merits to wanting people who are really trained well. On the other thread about having gotten the vaccine there was a brief discussion over someone administering the shot incorrectly. I know having had blood drawn in the past with my veins being easy to blow through having it administered properly can make a difference as that has never happened when Quest Diagnostics has done it for my husband's health insurance (a small needle also helped there). Not that I don't like the idea of getting a shot on demand so to speak because that really would be nice.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Interesting report!
https://www.latimes.com/california/...ifornia-town-had-to-use-or-lose-vaccine-shots

I looked at a different article because the one above was under a paywall.

The freezer of Moderna's held about 830 doses:
Forty doses went to staff members at an elderly-care facility nearby
200 doses were returned to the Mendocino County government — 97 of which were used on staff at the Los Angeles County Jail that day
The rest is discussed below.

"The medical team (at the Adventist Medical Center) felt that "the more people we vaccinate just brings us closer to herd immunity," said Winiger. The Adventist staff turned instead to the local community, with about 600 shots remaining. First, they sent a text asking every available medical professional to turn out at one of four sites to give the vaccines and monitor those who took them. Then hospital staff blasted out a text to employees letting people know that anyone who showed up could have the shot. Tell everyone you know,'" said Winiger. "We just wanted to make sure none of this goes to waste."


Remember my panic discussion?

Herd immunity is shaky at best in terms of feasibility and it's not a favorable path to discuss. And hopefully those in the community who got it will have that access and tracking in 4 weeks time. But they do go on to say "could have gone more smoothly — better communication, quicker gathering of supplies — other aspects were "heroic," she said. Dozens of medical staff turned out to volunteer, and the immediate decision to split into four clinics kept crowds at controllable numbers. (shows how dedicated their community is on getting vaccination done and kudos to them for being able to have the coordination of those 4 sites quickly)". The lesson to learn is a contingency plan in place should a freezer break down in the future will have had at least a trial run and is likely not something many states have thought of but should have.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

I've already gotten my first dose (Moderna - 1 week ago). I'm having a hard time reading comments on social media because of all the conspiracy theories and people who say "I aint getting no vaccine". While it is their right, I don't understand what they think will end this pandemic. If not the vaccine, then what? We just keep letting people die at a rate of 09/11 every single day? I guess if they don't believe its that bad, then they wouldn't feel motivated to get the shot. That kind of stuff really gets me down, so I'm limiting my time reading it. It drives me nuts when they say that their local hospital has plenty of beds. Even if that is true, it doesn't make it so for all hospitals all over the country. I wish those people could spend a few hours shadowing at a Covid Unit or ICU. (Without masks of course, since they don't work) Reading this thread and others like it on the DIS are helping me to keep the faith that things are going to get better.

This exactly is the problem - some don’t believe it’s a pandemic. To them, it’s only old people dying or people with poor lifestyle choices/underlying conditions. I guess people need to be dying on the streets for it to be considered a pandemic for them.

It’s completely exhausting and disheartening and some days I get back into a really bad mindset where I feel so hopeless and like this will never end.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I feel like there is less fear of the vaccine. Before it was approved, people were very leary and had a "you first" attitude. Now that it is out and the experts are talking favorably about the effectiveness and people are so close to getting their lives back, it's like everyone is anxious to get it.

I think people just want their lives back and this is the way to do it. Plus seeing all the nurses and healthcare workers getting it has helped. Just yesterday on the news they showed the first nurse to receive the vaccine just had her second dose yesterday. I had such a feeling of hope.

This exactly! I wan to be vaccinated as soon as I can. I am last on the totem pole so it’ll be a while, but I’m ready now! I did see DH moved up to 1C on CA’s plan, so that’s something.

 

[aggiedog]

This exactly is the problem - some don’t believe it’s a pandemic. To them, it’s only old people dying or people with poor lifestyle choices/underlying conditions. I guess people need to be dying on the streets for it to be considered a pandemic for them.

It’s completely exhausting and disheartening and some days I get back into a really bad mindset where I feel so hopeless and like this will never end.

I live with one of them. Dh doesn't believe its a pandemic, that the death rate is not that high, that it's not any worse than the flu, that only old sick people die of it, etc, etc. You name it, I've heard it. A good friend, who is a pyschologist/counselor by profession spent a couple hours talking to him about it and came out flummoxed. Nothing you say will change his mind.

Then he had the gall to say that he'd take the vaccine dose I was offered (I'd already had it from a different location.) Um, no dude, that option is not even on the table for you. You don't get to talk nonsense to me for 9 months (I'm a physician) and then eagerly want protection from the disease you say is no big deal. Not when there are plenty of folks out there who still need it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This exactly is the problem - some don’t believe it’s a pandemic. To them, it’s only old people dying or people with poor lifestyle choices/underlying conditions. I guess people need to be dying on the streets for it to be considered a pandemic for them.

It’s completely exhausting and disheartening and some days I get back into a really bad mindset where I feel so hopeless and like this will never end.

Some people are dying in the streets just of the elements. The local news has heavily been covering in the last few days homeless people dying in our area due to exposure to the elements (cold and snow and ice here) and the sheer outrage on a human rights viewpoint. In my county (which is in the same metro as the local news stories covering the recent homeless individuals' deaths but is not in the same county) we don't even have a homeless shelter for men (only for women and children) we send them elsewhere in the metro. And I can completely admit I've lived in such a bubble that it took until last year to even know that.

I know on the other thread it struck a chord with some people a comment made regarding homeless in CA having higher priority than this person's child. As practical but as neutral as I can be I think on a larger scale it'd have to be the "right" person dying on the streets for those people who don't believe the pandemic is real to change their mind. "Right" person is completely dependent on each person.

I've been a bit baffled myself with the people who don't believe a pandemic is around TBH. I get the various levels of cautiousness just on a human nature scale but to ignore the pandemic at large is a moment for me for sure.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

Some people are dying in the streets just of the elements. The local news has heavily been covering in the last few days homeless people dying in our area due to exposure to the elements (cold and snow and ice here) and the sheer outrage on a human rights viewpoint. In my county (which is in the same metro as the local news stories covering the recent homeless individuals' deaths but is not in the same county) we don't even have a homeless shelter for men (only for women and children) we send them elsewhere in the metro. And I can completely admit I've lived in such a bubble that it took until last year to even know that.

I know on the other thread it struck a chord with some people a comment made regarding homeless in CA having higher priority than this person's child. As practical but as neutral as I can be I think on a larger scale it'd have to be the "right" person dying on the streets for those people who don't believe the pandemic is real to change their mind. "Right" person is completely dependent on each person.

I've been a bit baffled myself with the people who don't believe a pandemic is around TBH. I get the various levels of cautiousness just on a human nature scale but to ignore the pandemic at large is a moment for me for sure.

I hope my comment didn’t come across as insensitive to the homeless population. That wasn’t my intention. I definitely realize that that’s a reality too.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I hope my comment didn’t come across as insensitive to the homeless population. That wasn’t my intention. I definitely realize that that’s a reality too.

It did not please don't think that

I was trying to draw a parallel with your comment about people dying in the streets for some to believe this pandemic is real. I don't think people dying in the streets would do that. I think it has to be the "right" person for those group of people to have that a-ha moment much like how its said relating to something can be hard unless you've experienced yourself.

My uncle, whom I've found out before Thanksgiving, is essentially a denier. Not a full-fledged this is a conspiracy and all but that he really really doesn't see this as a big deal much less that the virtually the entire globe has been impacted. I don't get it I really don't. I suspect the fact that it hasn't really been in our family perhaps makes him less willing to see the effects but we've lived in a hotspot of a metro for long enough. But with his health you'd think he would. He had a bypass 2 years ago and technically died on the table during the procedure, they brought him back but during his recovery a blot clot formed in his leg and he ended up getting compartment syndrome on his leg and even though they were able to relieve the pressure they weren't sure the leg would be saved. Thankfully it was and with tons of PT he's back to mostly normal. He was a very heavy smoker but before his bypass he had to quit and has been successful mostly in that part. Still though, he's quite high risk and walks around like it's NBD. I've just wondered from time to time what goes through his mind, he has children, and grandchildren and nieces and nephews to live for but this pandemic is just some not real thing to him.

 

[okeydokey]

There was a guy on the news last night and he was saying we should have vaccine centers open 24 hours giving the vaccine. As crazy as that sound and probably logistically not possible, I kind of wish they would do this. Just get everyone done asap. UK just went into lockdown, different strains are emerging, hospitalizations are up, and we are just dragging our feet. I know it will pick up and I know it is a huge undertaking to vaccinate everyone, but I just don't want to wait. LOL!

Staffing is an issue. Healthcare is already stretched so thin, finding nurses or others trained to staff around the clock isn't able to happen. You need lots of people to staff a vaccine center. Not just people to stick, but check in people, and some place for people to wait afterwards before checking out.

 

[DLgal]

At this point, Google and Apple need to get together and "make an app for that." This shouldn't be this hard.

 

[disneychick0412]

This exactly is the problem - some don’t believe it’s a pandemic. To them, it’s only old people dying or people with poor lifestyle choices/underlying conditions. I guess people need to be dying on the streets for it to be considered a pandemic for them.

It’s completely exhausting and disheartening and some days I get back into a really bad mindset where I feel so hopeless and like this will never end.

I get in that same mindset. From reports out of Los Angeles County, it looks like people will be dying in the streets soon. They are telling EMT's not to bring people to the ER that don't have a good chance of making it and when they do bring people they are having to wait hours before they can offload them. But if it's not happening in people's own backyard, then its not happening at all and that is so infuriating.

 

[Colleen27]

In areas where the vaccine is now available to seniors, people are camping out overnight to get in line- of all the issues we are having here, I don't believe at this point desire to get vaccinated will be one of them.

I don't think one follows the other. High demand among the parts of the population most likely to experience severe illness doesn't necessarily translate to high acceptance across the board. My state prioritized health care and frontline workers ahead of seniors... and we're seeing about a 50% opt-out rate among those populations. A lot of my friends thought FL was crazy to put seniors in the first group, rather than first responders, but at least they're making progress because they prioritized a group that will line up to get the shot. Our local delays in getting shots in arms are partly because so many of the priority-one group members aren't interested and the logistics planning for expanding to priority-two groups wasn't ready because the first group *should* have accounted for all of the doses currently on hand and then some.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

It did not please don't think that

I was trying to draw a parallel with your comment about people dying in the streets for some to believe this pandemic is real. I don't think people dying in the streets would do that. I think it has to be the "right" person for those group of people to have that a-ha moment much like how its said relating to something can be hard unless you've experienced yourself.

My uncle, whom I've found out before Thanksgiving, is essentially a denier. Not a full-fledged this is a conspiracy and all but that he really really doesn't see this as a big deal much less that the virtually the entire globe has been impacted. I don't get it I really don't. I suspect the fact that it hasn't really been in our family perhaps makes him less willing to see the effects but we've lived in a hotspot of a metro for long enough. But with his health you'd think he would. He had a bypass 2 years ago and technically died on the table during the procedure, they brought him back but during his recovery a blot clot formed in his leg and he ended up getting compartment syndrome on his leg and even though they were able to relieve the pressure they weren't sure the leg would be saved. Thankfully it was and with tons of PT he's back to mostly normal. He was a very heavy smoker but before his bypass he had to quit and has been successful mostly in that part. Still though, he's quite high risk and walks around like it's NBD. I've just wondered from time to time what goes through his mind, he has children, and grandchildren and nieces and nephews to live for but this pandemic is just some not real thing to him.

That’s a good way to put it. It absolutely won’t be real to some people unless they start seeing certain people getting extremely sick or dying. It’s really unfortunate.

I get in that same mindset. From reports out of Los Angeles County, it looks like people will be dying in the streets soon. They are telling EMT's not to bring people to the ER that don't have a good chance of making it and when they do bring people they are having to wait hours before they can offload them. But if it's not happening in people's own backyard, then its not happening at all and that is so infuriating.

I’ve heard that and it’s beyond tragic. People can be skeptical all they want of raw case numbers, but how they can ignore doctors and nurses screaming for help and stories like this I will never understand.

 

[rjb123]

I listened to our local Health Department discussing distribution today. They have only used 60% of the vaccine they have received. They blamed it on the holidays. I am a RN (currently staying home with my kids ) and this just sent me over the edge. We are in a freaking pandemic and this is HEALTHCARE. You don't GET a holiday with healthcare. I understand that the health departments get sheltered from the horrific hours of hospital care but come freaking on! 24/7 is the name of the game in healthcare. Throw up some freaking tents and get the damm shots in arms. Put out the word that they need all hands on deck- retired nurses with licenses still valid etc and get it done! ARGH!