CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Farro]

I'd just caution everyone to not get ahead of ourselves with new strains. Viruses mutate. It's what they do. That's not new knowledge. Day by day, more people will get vaccinated and it will likely provide strong protection against even newly developed strains.

Not guarantees, but that's what the science says. I'll just try to keep focusing on that for now.

Yes that's right.

It's just the news doesn't report it that way. So instead you have a bunch of people only reading headlines and then spreading the word that the current vaccine is useless!

I just wish the sensationalized reporting for Covid would lessen at this point, but it seems it won't.
Ever.

 

[Farro]

Write off the first half of 2021 for sure. We should be in a better spot for the last half of 2021. Boris Johnson is going to address lock downs in the UK tonight.

Nothing personal, but your first sentence is exactly what I'm talking about.

I just don't want anyone's opinions anymore. (obviously my answer is to stay off social media, but like, that's hard )

Just the facts ma'am.

 

[aggiedog]

I heard a good interview on NPR this morning regarding the "half dose" discussion. The doctor they interviewed, aside from thinking it's a mistake to go against the science they have regarding 2 full doses, said it's a solution to a problem we currently don't have. The current problem of not enough people getting vaccinated is that doses are sitting unused because the states, and to an extent each location, are being left to come up with how to contact and communicate with people eligible to be vaccinated. Our local hospital got 500 doses 7 days ago and have currently only given out 100. My parents have tried to get on the list, but there is exactly one voicemail line you can call.

The interviewer mentioned Israel's success. Yes, I know it's a smaller country, but they also developed an app where you could log in, request a vaccine, and you would be notified of a location and time. It's much more centralized, which prevents each location from having to re-invent the wheel.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'd just caution everyone to not get ahead of ourselves with new strains. Viruses mutate. It's what they do. That's not new knowledge. Day by day, more people will get vaccinated and it will likely provide strong protection against even newly developed strains.

Not guarantees, but that's what the science says. I'll just try to keep focusing on that for now.

Yes many of us have been saying that for a while. I think it's just responding to how the discussions evolved over time throughout the news outlets.

 

[mom2rtk]

I'd just caution everyone to not get ahead of ourselves with new strains. Viruses mutate. It's what they do. That's not new knowledge. Day by day, more people will get vaccinated and it will likely provide strong protection against even newly developed strains.

Not guarantees, but that's what the science says. I'll just try to keep focusing on that for now.

I just refuse to get worked up about this or that "hair on fire" scenario that gets thrown out there. There have been too many "what if" scenarios on this that haven't panned out. I have no energy left for getting worked up about this or that "potential" down the road. Just going with what I know about today. And what we're having for dinner tonight.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I just can't with new strains, new problems, new anything anymore.

I'm trying so hard to fight my "covid fatigue" but even I find myself getting so sick of everything that eventually I'm afraid I'm going to just stop caring.

It's been almost a year and I'm slowly becoming numb to the media reporting/social media discussion of every possible worst-case scenario.

Obviously I'm not going to stop following the guidelines, but I can see where eventually people are just going to say forget it, we're all screwed anyways.

Just venting, ignore me.

I totally understand where you’re coming from! I don’t even check the Covid headlines anymore because it’s doom and gloom. It feels like my county will never get out of our restrictions. I keep seeing people who are doing their own thing and I’m tired of being the one following all the rules. I will continue to do so of course because I would never forgive myself if I passed it to somebody, but it’s exhausting.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I just can't with new strains, new problems, new anything anymore.

I'm trying so hard to fight my "covid fatigue" but even I find myself getting so sick of everything that eventually I'm afraid I'm going to just stop caring.

It's been almost a year and I'm slowly becoming numb to the media reporting/social media discussion of every possible worst-case scenario.

Obviously I'm not going to stop following the guidelines, but I can see where eventually people are just going to say forget it, we're all screwed anyways.

Just venting.

It's okay to vent.

My husband checked out months ago in the information department. I have to respect that for him he literally just can't absorb the information that I do because he has other stuff on his plate. I eased back a few months ago as well at least in looking at every possible scenario. I still keep up but scale it back at times.

You're def. not alone, every so often I get down and have to work to bring myself back up. I have to pause on looking at the news for a few days, I go watch a Christmas movie, listen to music or organize (yeah those are the desperate moments ) or put up wall decor or anything to just give my mind a break.

Heck I was just so happy a few days ago that my cat would go in the new cat carrier we got him (his old one was way too small for him and he hated it because he was only it in when he went to the vet or a tornado occurred..that was our fault though for not keeping it out which is why this new one we're keeping it out so he doesn't associate it with only bad moments):






**Pics taken a couple days apart

I'm not liking your post for your content btw just that I hear you.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I heard a good interview on NPR this morning regarding the "half dose" discussion. The doctor they interviewed, aside from thinking it's a mistake to go against the science they have regarding 2 full doses, said it's a solution to a problem we currently don't have. The current problem of not enough people getting vaccinated is that doses are sitting unused because the states, and to an extent each location, are being left to come up with how to contact and communicate with people eligible to be vaccinated. Our local hospital got 500 doses 7 days ago and have currently only given out 100. My parents have tried to get on the list, but there is exactly one voicemail line you can call.

The interviewer mentioned Israel's success. Yes, I know it's a smaller country, but they also developed an app where you could log in, request a vaccine, and you would be notified of a location and time. It's much more centralized, which prevents each location from having to re-invent the wheel.

If it was Brian Lehrer and Dr. Lena Wen, then I heard the same interview, and it totally made sense. Supply isn't the issue in moving the current vaccine that we have....it's logistics. She cited paperwork as a big hiccup right now. It's not hard to vaccinate people. We could, fairly quickly come up with an army of vaccinators. It's the paperwork, and as others have said, keeping track of those who require a second dose and scheduling that...etc.

She also suggested penalizing hospitals, and other clinical settings who may be holding onto vaccine and not using it. I'm assuming she didn't mean holding back second doses, but beyond that. Sort of a "use it or lose it" deal. Governor Cuomo has the same idea, because NY is going to issue a fine of $100,000 to anyone keeping a vaccine for more than 7 days.

 

[Jonfw2]

If it was Brian Lehrer and Dr. Lena Wen, then I heard the same interview, and it totally made sense. Supply isn't the issue in moving the current vaccine that we have....it's logistics. She cited paperwork as a big hiccup right now. It's not hard to vaccinate people. We could, fairly quickly come up with an army of vaccinators. It's the paperwork, and as others have said, keeping track of those who require a second dose and scheduling that...etc.

She also suggested penalizing hospitals, and other clinical settings who may be holding onto vaccine and not using it. I'm assuming she didn't mean holding back second doses, but beyond that. Sort of a "use it or lose it" deal. Governor Cuomo has the same idea, because NY is going to issue a fine of $100,000 to anyone keeping a vaccine for more than 7 days.

Logistics is a far, far better problem to have than supply. Logistics can be worked out- and will be, frankly.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Logistics is a far, far better problem to have than supply. Logistics can be worked out- and will be, frankly.

I am honestly hopeful that things *will* go better, but not until they get supply out to the pharmacy chains. I manage to get my flu shot at Walgreens every year. I fill out a very short form, wait a few minutes for the pharmacist to come out, shot in arm, and I"m out the door. The only additional step is for the pharmacist or pharmacy worker to set up my second appointment 3-4 weeks out. These chains do this every single year. Once we begin to see that, then I think things will go more smoothly, and at that point, we may see some supply issues.

 

[Jonfw2]

I am honestly hopeful that things *will* go better, but not until they get supply out to the pharmacy chains. I manage to get my flu shot at Walgreens every year. I fill out a very short form, wait a few minutes for the pharmacist to come out, shot in arm, and I"m out the door. The only additional step is for the pharmacist or pharmacy worker to set up my second appointment 3-4 weeks out. These chains do this every single year. Once we begin to see that, then I think things will go more smoothly, and at that point, we may see some supply issues.

Totally agreed.

 

[Mango7100]

I heard a good interview on NPR this morning regarding the "half dose" discussion. The doctor they interviewed, aside from thinking it's a mistake to go against the science they have regarding 2 full doses, said it's a solution to a problem we currently don't have. The current problem of not enough people getting vaccinated is that doses are sitting unused because the states, and to an extent each location, are being left to come up with how to contact and communicate with people eligible to be vaccinated. Our local hospital got 500 doses 7 days ago and have currently only given out 100. My parents have tried to get on the list, but there is exactly one voicemail line you can call.

The interviewer mentioned Israel's success. Yes, I know it's a smaller country, but they also developed an app where you could log in, request a vaccine, and you would be notified of a location and time. It's much more centralized, which prevents each location from having to re-invent the wheel.

Agreed. The whole dispersal of vaccines Has been haphazard it seems like. Some hospitals have completely vaccinated their staff, while others in my city haven’t started yet. DH has a heart condition making him in the high risk group who is supposedly to be vaccinated in our state as group 1c. He called his cardiologist who is at the largest hospital system in our region about what will happen with vaccination...he can’t just roll up to a pharmacy and get vaccinated without some proof of his condition since he’s young. The drs office response is that they don’t have any information about how they will notify their high risk patients or provide documentation for them and couldn’t provide any other details...well, you might want to start thinking about that like yesterday.

 

[RamblingMad]

And the UK is locking down again. I guess this new variant is pretty bad.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...es-new-national-lockdown-for-england-12179371

 

[JLemaire7]

I agree with all who say it is a logistical issue and not a supply issue.

My husband is a healthcare worker and he just received his first dose of the Pfizer vaccine over the weekend. One thing he mentioned that may be causing delays is that everyone needs to be monitored for 15 minutes after they receive the vaccine incase they have a reaction. Because of social distancing requirements they can’t have too many people in the same room being monitored. This slows down the number of people that can be vaccinated at a time. It’s not just in and out like the flu vaccine.

Once the vaccine is available to the general public where are they going to monitor people? Assuming that most people will receive the vaccine at a pharmacy although I know some states are talking about having large vaccine events in parking lots and sports stadiums. I am not sure that pharmacies have the space for people to be monitored? Of course we may get to a point in a couple of weeks or months where they decide they have enough data and don’t need anyone to be monitored for a reaction.

I think everyone (myself included) is impatient especially since we’ve been dealing with Covid for so long and I do believe that all of these logistical issues will work themselves out.

 

[gwynne]

I agree with all who say it is a logistical issue and not a supply issue.

My husband is a healthcare worker and he just received his first dose of the Pfizer vaccine over the weekend. One thing he mentioned that may be causing delays is that everyone needs to be monitored for 15 minutes after they receive the vaccine incase they have a reaction. Because of social distancing requirements they can’t have too many people in the same room being monitored. This slows down the number of people that can be vaccinated at a time. It’s not just in and out like the flu vaccine.

Once the vaccine is available to the general public where are they going to monitor people? Assuming that most people will receive the vaccine at a pharmacy although I know some states are talking about having large vaccine events in parking lots and sports stadiums. I am not sure that pharmacies have the space for people to be monitored? Of course we may get to a point in a couple of weeks or months where they decide they have enough data and don’t need anyone to be monitored for a reaction.

I think everyone (myself included) is impatient especially since we’ve been dealing with Covid for so long and I do believe that all of these logistical issues will work themselves out.

I think some medical facilities have used additional space (like a nearby large conference room or rooms) for monitoring.
Pharmacies? I wonder if they will do drive thru vaccine clinics ( by appt). Our pharm has well marked spaces for "15 min monitoring." Get your shot, drive a few feet to monitoring slot.

Or...maybe the pharmacies will be given a large space nearby, like a community center. There are lots of possibilities.

Get the trained logistics folks working-the national guard comes to mind. They know how to stand up a facility for vaccines.

 

[RamblingMad]

I think some medical facilities have used additional space (like a nearby large conference room or rooms) for monitoring.
Pharmacies? I wonder if they will do drive thru vaccine clinics ( by appt). Our pharm has well marked spaces for "15 min monitoring." Get your shot, drive a few feet to monitoring slot.

Or...maybe the pharmacies will be given a large space nearby, like a community center. There are lots of possibilities.

Get the trained logistics folks working-the national guard comes to mind. They know how to stand up a facility for vaccines.

When I flew into Glacier National Park last August, the National Guard was testing temperatures at the airport upon arrival.

 

[Wakey]

Well we are in quite hard lockdown now here in the UK for 6 weeks.

in that time they are aiming to get 14 million vaccinated in all the vulnerable groups and healthcare workers and cut our deaths and hospitalisations by up to 95%.

Keep your finger’s crossed,

 

[dvcgirl67]

Well we are in quite hard lockdown now here in the UK for 6 weeks.

in that time they are aiming to get 14 million vaccinated in all the vulnerable groups and healthcare workers and cut our deaths and hospitalisations by up to 95%.

Keep your finger’s crossed,

Wow, I didn't realize it was going to be so long. Are all of your non-essential businesses going to shut down? How about take-out for restaurants...etc. That's a tough blow. Fingers crossed here for you guys! Hang tough.

 

[Jonfw2]

Well we are in quite hard lockdown now here in the UK for 6 weeks.

in that time they are aiming to get 14 million vaccinated in all the vulnerable groups and healthcare workers and cut our deaths and hospitalisations by up to 95%.

Keep your finger’s crossed,

That is a long time. But if it does indeed reduce deaths and hospitalizations by 95%, well worth it.

 

[Wakey]

Wow, I didn't realize it was going to be so long. Are all of your non-essential businesses going to shut down? How about take-out for restaurants...etc. That's a tough blow. Fingers crossed here for you guys! Hang tough.

Thanks.

Takeouts open.

We have had non essential shops open in much of the country since last summer when lockdown 1 ended although some areas have had them closed for months.

Restaurants and pubs have been closed in many but not all areas since November.

We now have virtually everything closed save for supermarkets, DIY shops (Home depot etc) car mechanics and a few others, and schools closed until mid February.

Boris Johnson said by then we hoe to have vaccinated 14 million and then start re-opening.

It was very predictable, I said this would happen in October.