CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[mom2rtk]

Fun, inspirational note for the day:

My wife, knowing she has immunity, reached out to a local urgent care and is starting work with them today. She's going to help with their Covid protocols and vaccine preparation and distribution.

That's awesome! I have an RN friend completing the paperwork to volunteer her time giving the vaccines.

 

[Jonfw2]

New Pew poll out today: 60% of Americans would "probably or definitely" take the vaccine.

That is MASSIVE good news as it's up a full 9 points in just the past month.

 

[tippity]

Problem: the long term Vaccine side effects may not be known for another 10 years. About the same amount of time as the long term side effects of Covid-19 will be known.

The world can't stay on pause until every vaccine risk is known.

If people don't want to be vaccinated it's their choice, but I don't think they should try restricting access for others who want to be vaccinated.

 

[RamblingMad]

Problem: the long term Vaccine side effects may not be known for another 10 years. About the same amount of time as the long term side effects of Covid-19 will be known.

The world can't stay on pause until every vaccine risk is known.

If people don't want to be vaccinated it's their choice, but I don't think they should try restricting access for others who want to be vaccinated.

This is antivaxx paranoia. Social media let’s it spread faster.

 

[Jonfw2]

This is antivaxx paranoia. Social media let’s it spread faster.

Sincerely, your best post here ever. Couldn't be more right.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Adverse events will be incredibly difficult to prove. I'm reading about infertility being a possible one but how could anyone prove their infertility in 2 years was caused by this vaccine?

You at first sound like you're incredulous that anyone would be able to say something about an effect now.

All your other comments are completely different and flip around to that you support their theories in some way.

I think we found out more of what your real reason in commenting...

 

[Jonfw2]

You at first sound like you're incredulous that anyone would be able to say something about an effect now.

All your other comments are completely different and flip around to that you support their theories in some way.

I think we found out more of what your real reason in commenting...

Yes. And hiding behind "well, it's just what people are saying" is disingenuous.

 

[tippity]

I think people are posting about "possible" Vaccine dangers because they are afraid of the vaccine.

If they would just say "Hey, I'm afraid" I'd understand. Don't get it. Leave it at that.

But I have a problem with people presenting unsubstantiated information about the vaccine's potential side effects. IMO the vaccine is the only way we get our lives back.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think people are posting about "possible" Vaccine dangers because they are afraid of the vaccine.

If they would just say "Hey, I'm afraid" I'd understand. Don't get it. Leave it at that.

But I have a problem with people presenting unsubstantiated information about the vaccine's potential side effects. IMO the vaccine is the only way we get our lives back.

That's why being transparent is really important and what experts are wanting to happen. Unfortunately all this other stuff adds to the noise and really only serves to counteract the efforts as people then feed into these theories, feed into the uncertainty and it clouds people's abilities to get the information they need.

I'm sorry I allowed myself to even pay attention to the comment. I should have just kept it just side effect/adverse effect instead of trying to go down the rabbit whole of "where's the proof".

 

[tippity]

That's why being transparent is really important and what experts are wanting to happen. Unfortunately all this other stuff adds to the noise and really only serves to counteract the efforts as people then feed into these theories, feed into the uncertainty and it clouds people's abilities to get the information they need.

I'm sorry I allowed myself to even pay attention to the comment. I should have just kept it just side effect/adverse effect instead of trying to go down the rabbit whole of "where's the proof".

I'm not seeing the companies: Moderna, Pfizer, or Astra Zeneca posting anything beyond: injection site pain, fever, malaise...

There is no evidence/ proof of any long term side effects including infertility. The what if's add nothing to the conversation, except more fear. I think we all have enough fear.

Yes, there is a part of me that's afraid of the vaccine, but I am going to be at the front of the line. I'm also going to be one of the volunteers administering the vaccine in my community. I am tired of feeling helpless and hopeless!

When this is over, I will bet Operation Warp Speed will be positively compared to the US's WWII transformation from peacetime to wartime factory production. I am in awe of what our country is doing.

The vaccines have restored my belief in a fun-filled future.

 

[sam_gordon]

If people don't want to be vaccinated it's their choice, but I don't think they should try restricting access for others who want to be vaccinated.

And again, is anyone (at least here on the Dis) doing that? I think most (if not all) of us who have said we're uncomfortable with the vaccine haven't said "no one should take it". We're not trying to change anyone's minds. We explain what our concerns are and are basically told "your concerns mean nothing, take the damn vaccine and smile when you do so!". No, no one has said those exact words, but that's the way I read things.

 

[sam_gordon]

There is no evidence/ proof of any long term side effects including infertility.

There CAN'T be. There can't be any evidence/proof of long term effects (good or bad) because there hasn't been "long term yet". Some say "no vaccines have every produced long term bad side effects". Please provide the list of other vaccines that have been developed, tested, and distributed in nine months.

 

[tippity]

There CAN'T be. There can't be any evidence/proof of long term effects (good or bad) because there hasn't been "long term yet". Some say "no vaccines have every produced long term bad side effects". Please provide the list of other vaccines that have been developed, tested, and distributed in nine months.

Yes, there can't be evidence at this point. So why not just say" I'm afraid" and leave it at that? Why are people posting infertility rumors?

You know there are no vaccines that have reached the market this quickly. But over the past 10 years, there have been several attempts. Fortunately, the virus being targeted has died out before the vaccine was produced. One example is Zeeka.

Pfizer's vaccine is using RNA to cause our bodies to launch an immune response. There is no live or attenuated virus, It's a new way of developing a vaccine. It's also being developed for cancer treatment.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

There CAN'T be. There can't be any evidence/proof of long term effects (good or bad) because there hasn't been "long term yet". Some say "no vaccines have every produced long term bad side effects". Please provide the list of other vaccines that have been developed, tested, and distributed in nine months.

Which is exactly why this comment is a problem:

'There have been claims that the vaccine can cause infertility due to the vaccine containing a spike protein called syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that the recipient forms an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, they are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.'

It's playing with words.

All this extra stuff isn't about advocating for making sure we let people know of side effects or what the other person said adverse effects. It's about creating a mistrust for the sake of mistrust. The stuff that person posted reads like someone who isn't genuinely concerned about effects in general more about pushing whatever they want to push.

 

[wenrob]

And again, is anyone (at least here on the Dis) doing that? I think most (if not all) of us who have said we're uncomfortable with the vaccine haven't said "no one should take it". We're not trying to change anyone's minds. We explain what our concerns are and are basically told "your concerns mean nothing, take the damn vaccine and smile when you do so!". No, no one has said those exact words, but that's the way I read things.

I think those that are “for” read into “against” posts as “you are fools, how can you take such a chance” and those who are “against” read into “for” posts as “if you don’t take it you are a menace to society.” Neither is the case IMO. Aside from one person being extremely hostile I haven’t seen that on either “side.” Granted I have a bunch of doomsday folks on ignore so maybe I’m missing it. IMO these interpretations come from defensiveness. People don’t like being questioned about their choices. When someone expresses an opposite opinion people feel like they have to defend those choices when in most cases no one is really asking them to. I think if folks were a little more thoughtful with their delivery when giving their opinion people wouldn’t feel the need to be defensive. FWIW I have no opinion on what other folks are going to do. We all have our reasons for making the choices we do and it’s not my place judge another’s reasons. “You do you and I’ll do me” has served me well. You don’t need to justify your choices to anyone and you shouldn’t be made to feel like you do.

 

[Jonfw2]

I think those that are “for” read into “against” posts as “you are fools, how can you take such a chance” and those who are “against” read into “for” posts as “if you don’t take it you are a menace to society.” Neither is the case IMO. Aside from one person being extremely hostile I haven’t seen that on either “side.” Granted I have a bunch of doomsday folks on ignore so maybe I’m missing it. IMO these interpretations come from defensiveness. People don’t like being questioned about their choices. When someone expresses an opposite opinion people feel like they have to defend those choices when in most cases no one is really asking them to. I think if folks were a little more thoughtful with their delivery when giving their opinion people wouldn’t feel the need to be defensive. FWIW I have no opinion on what other folks are going to do. We all have our reasons for making the choices we do and it’s not my place judge another’s reasons. “You do you and I’ll do me” has served me well. You don’t need to justify your choices to anyone and you shouldn’t be made to feel like you do.

I agree to an extent. It is simple fact though that the more people who get vaccinated, the quicker we will reduce and ultimately eliminate deaths from this disease.

 

[Farro]

I agree to an extent. It is simple fact though that the more people who get vaccinated, the quicker we will reduce and ultimately eliminate deaths from this disease.

This. And the quicker we can get people working again (although sadly, some jobs are gone forever).

I will admit I'm disappointed in (healthy) people that are choosing to wait months after it's available or choosing not to get vaccine at all.

It's your choice, I just think it's the wrong one.

 

[wenrob]

I agree to an extent. It is simple fact though that the more people who get vaccinated, the quicker we will reduce and ultimately eliminate deaths from this disease.

Well in my experience shaming and beating someone over the head with what you want them to do never works. You tend to get the opposite effect you are looking for. All we can do is keep delivering the message and hope that it’s received.

 

[Jonfw2]

Well in my experience shaming and beating someone over the head with what you want them to do never works. You tend to get the opposite effect you are looking for.

Shaming worked pretty well with cigarette smoking.

 

[wenrob]

Shaming worked pretty well with cigarette smoking.

I’m not here to argue about the message I’m just saying it doesn’t have to be delivered in a way that makes people angry and defensive. That’s not going to make them do what you want them to do.