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Interesting...sounds like these gentlemen represent a very small minority. But we shall see.

Of course they are only asking the question. They aren't even claiming it. And it could be only temporary infertility which I don't think anyone would have a problem with vs getting the corona virus.
 
Interesting...I just happened to be reading this article about an anti vaxxer doctor being invited to the senate hearing committee. And she references the unknown fertility impact. Not that I am agreeing with any of it, just sharing for reference. So, it’s out there...

In her interview, she raised particular concerns about vaccinations for young people “because the effect on fertility has not been determined.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/06/us/politics/anti-vax-scientist-senate-hearing.html
 
Interesting...I just happened to be reading this article about an anti vaxxer doctor being invited to the senate hearing committee. And she references the unknown fertility impact. Not that I am agreeing with any of it, just sharing for reference. So, it’s out there...

In her interview, she raised particular concerns about vaccinations for young people “because the effect on fertility has not been determined.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/06/us/politics/anti-vax-scientist-senate-hearing.html
Posted a few hours after my discussion and so far to my searching only NYT has picked it up.
 
Dr Wordarg seems to be involved in a lot of controversies and tends to promote a lot of Conspiracies. Kind of reminds me of Dr Atlas. Not sure if I trust this guy!

"Wodarg co-signed a proposed resolution on 18 December 2009, which was briefly discussed in January 2010 in an emergency debate and he has called for an inquiry into alleged undue influence exerted by pharmaceutical companies on the World Health Organization’s global H1N1 flu campaign.

"Wodarg first came to the attention of the general public in the 1980s when he was head of the Public Health Department (German: Gesundheitsamt) in Flensburg, Germany, and as such was (technically) responsible for employing as a doctor the medical impostor Gert Postel, later famously revealed to be a postman by training "

"Transparency International German, on whose board of directors Wodarg serves, distanced itself from his statements on 17 March 2020: "Transparency International Germany rejects the sweeping criticism of board member Dr Wolfgang Wodarg of the government measures to protect the population from the coronavirus. (...) Wolfgang Wodarg is speaking on this matter as a private individual and not in his capacity as a member of the Management Board."On 25 March 2020, the board decided to suspend his membership in the association "until further notice", which means that Wodarg can no longer exercise any functions on the board or as head of the health working group for the time being. The Board of Directors will commission an independent committee to look into Wodarg's statements about the coronavirus and to determine whether his behaviour has harmed the interests of Transparency International Germany. Transparency Chairman Hartmut Bäumer said that the reason for this was that Wodarg had expressed his views on "radical media" such as KenFM, Rubikon, Geolitico, and in an interview with Eva Herman; all of whom, in his opinion, "regularly work with conspiracy theories, with anti-democratic and sometimes anti-Semitic prejudices" and "oppose the basic democratic principles of Transparency"; while "some of them are personally close to the AfD."
 

Of course they are only asking the question. They aren't even claiming it. And it could be only temporary infertility which I don't think anyone would have a problem with vs getting the corona virus.

Umm....a young healthy women that wants kids soon or even in a few years isn’t gonna be wanting to take a chance at infertility whether permenant or temporary over getting a virus with 99.4% survival rate and most likely would be asymptomatic or mild. Fertility risks isn’t something to joke about or even toss around as a few years is no big deal.
 
All my discussion was about was so that people are actually aware of the difference between side effect and adverse effect. I was not interested in getting into a discussion over what some fringe conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxer or the like was spouting so hopefully this thread doesn't turn into that. I hesitated even quoting the PP who posted the NYT article but felt the need to clarify when I searched that article wasn't written yet.
 
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Umm....a young healthy women that wants kids soon or even in a few years isn’t gonna be wanting to take a chance at infertility whether permenant or temporary over getting a virus with 99.4% survival rate and most likely would be asymptomatic or mild. Fertility risks isn’t something to joke about or even toss around as a few years is no big deal.

We already know that Covid can cause both male and female infertility.

The claims being referenced above are nothing more than tin foil hat nonsense. The link to synctin 1 doesn't hold up.

From an Epidemiologist (yea, on Facebook...I know, but this is a legit scientist):

Vaccine and…fertility.

The newest misinformation circulating the web. In short, some people are shouting that COVID19 vaccine will cause infertility. This claim is baseless. And, unfortunately, the claim is folded within some complex scientific terms, making it the most dangerous form of misinformation.

Briefly, the COVID19 vaccine causes you to develop antibodies. If you come in contact with COVID19 virus after getting the vaccine, these antibodies will attach to the spike on the COVID19 virus. Once attached, the virus is no longer able to attack the body. The misinformation is claiming that COVID19 antibodies also attach to spikes (called proteins) on the placenta (called syncytins).

There are a few strong reasons to doubt this claim…

1. You should know that infertility is a common fear tactic of anti-vaxxers. We’ve seen this over and over again (HPV, Hep B,…). In fact, some developing countries still have polio because of the widespread fear that polio vaccines cause infertility. We, actually, should not be surprised that this is the next wave of pandemic misinformation. Misinformation is becoming almost as predictable as the disease itself.

2. Those that are “naturally” infected with COVID19 (i.e. not vaccine) also have antibodies. If this misinformation were true, we would be seeing a higher than average early pregnancy loss in the community overall. We are not. Although COVID19 seems to be a more severe disease in pregnancy (it’s been consistently on the high-risk CDC list), all complications happen later in pregnancy (particularly from lung function, not the placenta). There are a few case reports discussing early pregnancy losses in patients with COVID19. But case reports are just one or two people. They just tell us that they co-occurred, not that they are related. There is no strong evidence that COVID19 antibodies increases early pregnancy loss among symptomatic or asymptomatic women.

3. The spike proteins on the placenta and on the virus are in the same family, so they work the same way. HOWEVER, they aren’t similar enough (i.e. they don’t have enough amino acid sequences) to cause confusion to the immune system. In other words, the immune system cannot and will not mistake the placenta for the virus.

IN ADDITION, it’s important to note that COVID19, itself, is affecting women’s and men’s reproductive health. We DO have the evidence for this. Not to mention that COVID19 also causes chronic inflammation, which is also associated with decreased fertility. So, getting COVID19 is certainly not a great second choice if you don't get the vaccine.

Love, YLE

Data Sources: I consulted several public health rock stars and biochemistry scientists on this topic. For those of you that like the hard science, here is a great post: https://www.deplatformdisease.com/b...Rb99A-evBr6eEvly8nNq9EcC_ma7WhwNnwsAkJb_IcShs

And here are the publications re: COVID19 and fertility
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442377/https://www.thelancet.com/journals/...vV9Pk4NJlerBtD5cEMYCfxxbF1BnbaOU71WY1Tyw29elw
https://plan-international.org/sexu...hhXsawX6_OWIlXUwBeW8eG6MjU0HMv9mDXBMhw7Hww7KI
 
Umm....a young healthy women that wants kids soon or even in a few years isn’t gonna be wanting to take a chance at infertility whether permenant or temporary over getting a virus with 99.4% survival rate and most likely would be asymptomatic or mild. Fertility risks isn’t something to joke about or even toss around as a few years is no big deal.

What?
 
Same. Years ago. This is just the beginning of the vaccine conspiracy theories that will emerge.

The two men, one an epidemiologist and the other a former VP of research at Pfizer, have questions they want to see investigated before this vaccine is rolled out to the world. His petition has not a thing to do with Facebook. We need other scientists who do not work for the drug manufacturers weighing in on drugs and biologics in order to make them safe. Science = questioning all the time, forming a hypothesis, testing, data collection, then reporting.

Every scientist who raises an uncomfortable question is not a conspiracy theorist. They don't deserve to be slapped with that label, and they certainly don't deserve to have their decades long careers ruined.

The fact is no one can say if this vaccine will cause infertility because it has not been tested for this. We will have to find out once it is released in the public and we have about 18 months of widespread use behind us.
 
The two men, one an epidemiologist and the other a former VP of research at Pfizer, have questions they want to see investigated before this vaccine is rolled out to the world. His petition has not a thing to do with Facebook. We need other scientists who do not work for the drug manufacturers weighing in on drugs and biologics in order to make them safe. Science = questioning all the time, forming a hypothesis, testing, data collection, then reporting.

Every scientist who raises an uncomfortable question is not a conspiracy theorist. They don't deserve to be slapped with that label, and they certainly don't deserve to have their decades long careers ruined.

The fact is no one can say if this vaccine will cause infertility because it has not been tested for this. We will have to find out once it is released in the public and we have about 18 months of widespread use behind us.
The vast, vast majority of doctors and scientists encouraging people to get vaccinated do not work for the drug companies.

But to your point, fair: we don’t know if these drugs cause infertility. We also don’t know if they cause blue skin, toenail growth, or an aversion to pants.
 
The vast, vast majority of doctors and scientists encouraging people to get vaccinated do not work for the drug companies.

But to your point, fair: we don’t know if these drugs cause infertility. We also don’t know if they cause blue skin, toenail growth, or an aversion to pants.

The vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 COULD trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.

What in the vaccine would lead us to test toenail growth (arguably not an adverse reaction), blue skiin, and "aversion to pants"? Any reason to bring up concern for those?

It entire debacle will be very interesting to watch from the sidelines.
 
The vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 COULD trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.

What in the vaccine would lead us to test toenail growth (arguably not an adverse reaction), blue skiin, and "aversion to pants"? Any reason to bring up concern for those?

It entire debacle will be very interesting to watch from the sidelines.
Perhaps you've missed the actual real life (not what if) debacle that's going on in front of you already.
 
I see it, alright and it has me smh every single day.
So I'm curious how you think this should proceed?

Shelve the whole thing and let a bunch of people fall into poverty and hunger? Oh, and die?

Continue and let the guinea pigs try it out while you stand on the sideline?

I've heard "we're all in this together" so many times in all of this. I think that applies to the vaccine as well. We need a threshold of participation to make this work. Some people can't take it. So everyone who can, needs to take it.

I understand there *could* be unforeseen side effects. But I ask, what is your suggestion? Long term side effects could be many years away from being identified. I thought this virus was an existential threat. Threatening enough to close down society and sentence people to poverty. Is it really not that big a deal? Because if it is, a cost benefit analysis tells me it's a risk we all have to take. Remember? We're all in this together.
 
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