CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[okeydokey]

Don’t forget that during this same time period, there will be major advancements in treatment and testing coming as well.

Why would we suddenly do well in testing when we haven't for the last 6 months. The US screwed up testing and tracing very badly, in the current climate I don't expect that to change at all.

 

[KBoopaloo]

I think it will take six months to a year once the vaccine is available to get enough immunized to be able relax restrictions back to “normal.” It won’t happen overnight.Those who are more cautious with this virus are not trusting others to protect them. I am staying home now to protect myself and will continue you to do so for the foreseeable future. I’m okay with it. I will eventually get the vaccine but I won’t be one of the first in line.

Exactly this. Anyone high risk knows better than to trust anyone else to to protect them - people have been screaming for high risk people to protect themselves and stay home while we open everything up for everyone else for months. High risk folks also know that even with a vaccine they will have to be cautious just like with the flu partly because the vaccine will not be 100% effective and partly because we already know that a large swath of people won’t get the vaccine for one reason or another. Even with a vaccine plenty of people still get the flu every year and truthfully I worry a bit that the vaccine will make people overconfident when it comes to precautionary behaviors which will just make things even worse for high risk folks than they have already been. Don’t take this to mean that I am not eager for the vaccine- I am! We need it. It will be great when we have it. I will get it. But too many people are looking at it like some magic bullet that gets released and sends us instantly back to the way things were pre-COVID with zero need for any other precautions.

 

[Jonfw2]

Why would we suddenly do well in testing when we haven't for the last 6 months. The US screwed up testing and tracing very badly, in the current climate I don't expect that to change at all.

a fifteen minute test was approved last week. There are a number of on the spot and also home tests that exist now and could be approved soon.

 

[DLgal]

Why would we suddenly do well in testing when we haven't for the last 6 months. The US screwed up testing and tracing very badly, in the current climate I don't expect that to change at all.

When the FDA finally comes to its senses and approves paper strip 5 minute home tests, we will be exponentially better off. They already exist, but the FDA is being too picky about their sensitivity, which is stupid because when you can literally self test every day, the sensitivity doesn't need to be near 100%. These tests catch over 98% of viral loads CAPABLE OF INFECTING OTHERS. Their sensitivity falls off when viral loads are too small to detect, which also correlates to someone NOT being contagious, but the FDA is looking at the overall sensitivity rather than the sensitivity when it matters.

 

[mom2rtk]

When the FDA finally comes to its senses and approves paper strip 5 minute home tests, we will be exponentially better off. They already exist, but the FDA is being too picky about their sensitivity, which is stupid because when you can literally self test every day, the sensitivity doesn't need to be near 100%. These tests catch over 98% of viral loads CAPABLE OF INFECTING OTHERS. Their sensitivity falls off when viral loads are too small to detect, which also correlates to someone NOT being contagious, but the FDA is looking at the overall sensitivity rather than the sensitivity when it matters.

So they're being overly cautious about the tests but we don't trust them to do the same with a vaccine?

 

[DLgal]

So they're being overly cautious about the tests but we don't trust them to do the same with a vaccine?

No, they are using the wrong criteria to determine how to approve diagnostic tests.

PCR tests are largely useless in controlling a pandemic. They are TOO sensitive but don't provide the right information (such as whether an individual is shedding active virus).

 

[Jonfw2]

Pfizer just reiterated that they expect to have 100 million doses available this year.

 

[RamblingMad]

No, they are using the wrong criteria to determine how to approve diagnostic tests.

PCR tests are largely useless in controlling a pandemic. They are TOO sensitive but don't provide the right information (such as whether an individual is shedding active virus).

They take too long for the results to come back. The test strips provide a way for responsible adults to test themselves at home. Think pregnancy tests. This would help slow this down if people bought these and tested themselves before going to high risk events. There are some good videos over at MedCram about them.

 

[Jonfw2]

They take too long for the results to come back. The test strips provide a way for responsible adults to test themselves at home. Think pregnancy tests. This would help slow this down if people bought these and tested themselves before going to high risk events. There are some good videos over at MedCram about them.

Totally agreed. It's not 100%, but getting a significant portion of Covid-positive people out of every day society would dramatically reduce the chance of spread.

 

[Colleen27]

They take too long for the results to come back. The test strips provide a way for responsible adults to test themselves at home. Think pregnancy tests. This would help slow this down if people bought these and tested themselves before going to high risk events. There are some good videos over at MedCram about them.

And, as counter-intuitive as it sounds, less sensitive tests could do a better job of identifying those people who can actually spread the virus. With the PCR testing, it is so super-sensitive that there are documented cases of people testing continually positive for 6 weeks or more, but the consensus is that the virus is contagious for about 10 days (give or take) after infection. After that, it is just residual genetic material triggering the positive result. Not only would quick testing let more people isolate more effectively and self-screen before and after higher risk events, it would also mean fewer people who are subject to whole-population testing quarantining unnecessarily because they tested positive after the contagious window has passed. But it almost feels like there's no political/economic urgency for this kind of testing because we already have the "better" (more sensitive but slow) tests available.

 

[Jonfw2]

More good news: Ely Lilly is now testing a drug on Covid patience that is designed to work in sync with Remdesivir and further reduce the timeline of symptoms for more severe cases.

And in the UK, the same company that discovered common steroids can work against Covid has just started testing an antibody treatment.

 

[Hikergirl]

It is truly amazing to me how many people are afraid of a vaccine. It’s rushed because the world has literally dumped all of its resources into it. Things tend to move quicker when you give something more funding and more people.

Yes, some people will have some complications. Some people have complications from everything. If my choices are the vaccine or COVID then I’ll take my chances with the vaccine.

I’m not waiting 3 years but if some of you want to sit at home until 2024 then go for it. I’ll be on the beach.

LOL, yes because everything always works out perfectly when you dump loads of money at a problem.

I will say thank you for willing to be a guinea pig for us. I truly hope that if the vaccine is rushed out and available to you that it is effective and safe. I'll wait until alot more of you take the risk before I do though.

 

[Jonfw2]

LOL, yes because everything always works out perfectly when you dump loads of money at a problem.

I will say thank you for willing to be a guinea pig for us. I truly hope that if the vaccine is rushed out and available to you that it is effective and safe. I'll wait until alot more of you take the risk before I do though.

Of course not everything works out perfectly when you dump loads of money on it. That's also not what he said.

But let me give you an analogy:

A house takes, say, six months to build. Well, I want to build it in six weeks. Is that possible? Under normal circumstances, of course not. But what if we could afford to hire the world's best architects, plumbers, and electricians? What if we had a crew of master carpenters and builders working in shifts 24 hours a day? Then, I'll bet you it could be done.

THAT is Covid research.

 

[spiders]

LOL, yes because everything always works out perfectly when you dump loads of money at a problem.

I will say thank you for willing to be a guinea pig for us. I truly hope that if the vaccine is rushed out and available to you that it is effective and safe. I'll wait until alot more of you take the risk before I do though.

I said money and people.

With everything in life, there are three things: price, quality, and speed. You can always choose two but not three.

 

[godisney14]

Of course not everything works out perfectly when you dump loads of money on it. That's also not what he said.

But let me give you an analogy:

A house takes, say, six months to build. Well, I want to build it in six weeks. Is that possible? Under normal circumstances, of course not. But what if we could afford to hire the world's best architects, plumbers, and electricians? What if we had a crew of master carpenters and builders working in shifts 24 hours a day? Then, I'll bet you it could be done.

THAT is Covid research.

He said what he said.
He also said sit at home until 2024, which NO ONE has ever mentioned about.

And, no, that’s not how vaccine research works.
Whoever told you that is wrong.
(My source: work experience in biotech).

 

[sam_gordon]

I said money and people.

With everything in life, there are three things: price, quality, and speed. You can always choose two but not three.

So for the vaccine, they've picked quality & speed? OK, so who's paying the price?

 

[Jonfw2]

He said what he said.
He also said sit at home until 2024, which NO ONE has ever mentioned about.

And, no, that’s not how vaccine research works.
Whoever told you that is wrong.
(My source: work experience in biotech).

My point is simply that the timeframe is enhanced here not just by money but also by the fact that all of the best minds in the world in these fields are working on it simultaneously. That will speed things up in a safe way. Would you agree with that?

 

[Jonfw2]

So for the vaccine, they've picked quality & speed? OK, so who's paying the price?

The US government. Look up Operation Warp Speed (OWS).

 

[Hikergirl]

Of course not everything works out perfectly when you dump loads of money on it. That's also not what he said.

But let me give you an analogy:

A house takes, say, six months to build. Well, I want to build it in six weeks. Is that possible? Under normal circumstances, of course not. But what if we could afford to hire the world's best architects, plumbers, and electricians? What if we had a crew of master carpenters and builders working in shifts 24 hours a day? Then, I'll bet you it could be done.

THAT is Covid research.

It seems you keep trying to defend your decision to be a part of the trial, and have an issue with anyone who doesn't see it the same as you.
I don't know if you just can't handle people thinking differently than you, or if you are really just trying to convince yourself that it was the right thing to do.

 

[sam_gordon]

The US government. Look up Operation Warp Speed (OWS).

According to PP's quote (which I've heard used many times), you can pick two between cost, quality, and speed. So which one is getting left by the wayside? You just said the gov't is picking up the cost, we know speed isn't being dropped, so that leaves quality.

And what's wrong with people being cautious? Few (at least on the board) are saying they'd never get the vaccine. We just want to wait and let more people be guinea pigs. What if it turns out the vaccine makes people sterile? Or more susceptible to cancer?

I'm another one not "sitting at home". I go to work three times a week, I've been at my kids' sporting events, and we've been to church. Travel's the only thing I'm sort of missing right now.