CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[mom2rtk]

My husband who hasn’t really been keeping up with this stuff turned and looked at me and asked why on earth he should bother with the vaccine. Great. That’s just the kind of news we need. Let’s convince people the vaccine isn’t going to change anything so that we never come close to getting enough to get it. I was frustrated.

This is the unfortunate response to poorly thought out messaging on the vaccine.

 

[godisney14]

Eh it's not really the U.S. as much as you would think especially with the UK variant, the South African variant and Brazil and as time has gone on. Believe it or not the rest of the world concerns themselves with other countries besides the U.S. plus we're doing better on vaccination rates especially when considering the EU. If anything the U.S. has more reason to be far more concerned with the rest of the world than the rest of the world has about singling out the U.S. (and they really aren't as much as one would think). You're more likely to find destinations require vaccines these days (especially island nations) rather than barring based on citizenship anyways and the U.S. will end up being better in that respects than other countries.

I’m not saying US is the only country that some of these other nations are hesitant about. Certainly certain African and South American countries are also on the list.
Is there a list of highly traveled (essential and non-essential) that has started on the road of requiring vaccines rather than quarantines, and outright halt on non-essential travel?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I’m not saying US is the only country that some of these other nations are hesitant about. Certainly certain African and South American countries are also on the list.
Is there a list of highly traveled (essential and non-essential) that has started on the road of requiring vaccines rather than quarantines, and outright halt on non-essential travel?

Why does it need to be highly traveled? That wasn't part of your original point shouldn't be part of this point; just seems like moving the goal posts simply to move it.

Seychelles one was of the first and is allowing without a quarantine if fully vaccinate though they need a negative PCR test within 72 hours after that you have freedom of movement (their words). Georgia (the country) I just recently learned about. Both of which do not care what citizenship you have just the vaccinated status.

Cyprus hasn't gotten as much attention as Seychelles but they will next month you can come if you're vaccinated although as they are part of the EU they are not allowing U.S. Estonia because of EU requirements doesn't allow U.S. but does allow vaccinated travelers from lower risk countries though they also added if you've recovered (and have proof) from COVID in the last 6 months, Romania doesn't allow U.S. because of EU requirements but does allow for no quarantine or testing requirements once you've had your 2nd dose and 10 days has passed, Iceland doesn't allow U.S. because of EU requirements but will allow in a few months from low risk countries in Europe to come without restrictions like quarantine or screening should you have been vaccinated or can provide proof you've had COVID. You can see the EU requirement (which I don't blame them nor do I have any issues with us putting restrictions on them) is barring the U.S. just on the basis of being part of the EU not that they themselves have an issue with us.

But various countries are adjusting and saying once you've gotten your full vaccination if you're allowed to visit you're welcome to and you can avoid restrictions in place for non-vaccinated travelers.

I personally was talking about places to visit in general and as time goes on there's an attention shift to vaccination as being the determining factor for admittance or removal of at least some restrictions which we expected that for international travel. If there wasn't an EU issue I doubt these countries would bar U.S. so long as they were vaccinated, after all tourism is down so much all over the world. The issue U.S. citizens would have is testing negative for re-entry at this present time. I do know Hawaii has announced they will allow fully vaccinated travelers to skip quarantine but they don't have a date on when that would become effective (they've been going back and forth on the whole quarantine thing for months so not surprising).

 

[Joe in VA]

Today was the lowest case # since 10/18. First day below 1000 deaths since November. Numbers are likely skewed slightly lower because of holiday, but they are still falling VERY quickly.

1/11 219,000
1/18 150,000
1/25 152,000
2/1 128,000
2/8 90,000
2/15 52,000

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Today was the lowest case # since 10/18. First day below 1000 deaths since November. Numbers are likely skewed slightly lower because of holiday, but they are still falling VERY quickly.

1/11 219,000
1/18 150,000
1/25 152,000
2/1 128,000
2/8 90,000
2/15 52,000

I hope this week's and last week's arctic blast doesn't affect things too too much. So much of us are being hammered with such cold temps. But your point would hopefully still be the same that cases are dramatically falling as time is going on. I'm okay with upwards blips so long as we can explain it away such as testing sites closed for extreme temps, people not seeking tests because of the weather conditions, etc.

 

[Jonfw2]

Today was the lowest case # since 10/18. First day below 1000 deaths since November. Numbers are likely skewed slightly lower because of holiday, but they are still falling VERY quickly.

1/11 219,000
1/18 150,000
1/25 152,000
2/1 128,000
2/8 90,000
2/15 52,000

Important to note that 1/18 was also a holiday and it was 3 times higher than today.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

I hope this week's and last week's arctic blast doesn't affect things too too much. So much of us are being hammered with such cold temps. But your point would hopefully still be the same that cases are dramatically falling as time is going on. I'm okay with upwards blips so long as we can explain it away such as testing sites closed for extreme temps, people not seeking tests because of the weather conditions, etc.

Which is why hospitalizations are a more useful metric in this instance. You can’t very well put off admittance to the hospital because of bad weather. As long as those numbers are still falling too, I’m staying hopeful.

 

[Jonfw2]

Saw an incredible stat this morning: according to Barron's, Americans have approximately $1.3 trillion in "forced savings", meaning money that would have been spent but hasn't been because of the pandemic. Imagine the economic impact when that gets unleashed...

 

[Farro]

Saw an incredible stat this morning: according to Barron's, Americans have approximately $1.3 trillion in "forced savings", meaning money that would have been spent but hasn't been because of the pandemic. Imagine the economic impact when that gets unleashed...

snort, not this American! We got hit hard.

 

[DLgal]

Saw an incredible stat this morning: according to Barron's, Americans have approximately $1.3 trillion in "forced savings", meaning money that would have been spent but hasn't been because of the pandemic. Imagine the economic impact when that gets unleashed...

Eh, if Barron's is saying that, it means a lot of that is probably tied up in investment or savings accounts. Thats where we put all our "forced savings." We won't be spending any of it anytime soon, and I suspect a lot of Americans used this opportunity to shore up emergency savings because they didn't have sufficient funds in there and now see how quickly things can turn really bad.

It seems to me, Americans are either in the best financial shape of their lives or really struggling to stay afloat.

I mean, besides travel and entertainment spending, people can spend NOW. Why aren't they?

 

[mefordis]

snort, not this American! We got hit hard.

You mean you're not stockpiling money like the rest of Americans?

 

[wenrob]

Saw an incredible stat this morning: according to Barron's, Americans have approximately $1.3 trillion in "forced savings", meaning money that would have been spent but hasn't been because of the pandemic. Imagine the economic impact when that gets unleashed...

Eh, I don’t know about that.

Don’t have to buy gas but now I have delivery fees and tips.
Don’t have to buy school lunches but now have to order groceries and home supplies more often.
Don’t need school supplies but had to go up the next tier on my internet. Also had to invest in two Chromebooks, mouse and headphones. Let’s not forget the extra printer paper and ink.
Power, gas and water are all up.
No more gym fees but now I’m paying for online classes.
Home entertainment is up.

We are very, very fortunate that DH is essential and are able to go on with life comfortably but it’s definitely costing us more. Folks who have been laid off or have had their hours cut still have to pay for a good number of those things. I can’t imagine they have anything to spare for savings.

 

[Jonfw2]

Hey man- I'm just the messenger.

 

[jlwhitney]

Found this to be a good read!
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think the information the person is talking about is from mid-December and is "It is estimated that there is $1.3 trillion savings accumulated left over from CARES Act stimulus and forced savings."

Here's more information I saw from an article (don't know if it's the same one):

• The aggregate amount of savings is not as important as how it is distributed amongst consumers.
• Since the majority of savings is held by high-income households, it will not be as great a source of stimulus as many assume it will be.

This comment from the article I was reading matches the thought process the poster was saying: "The thinking is that this massive amount of stimulus could close that output gap if it is spent on goods and services once the pandemic comes to an end."

"The reality is that upper-income households are the ones holding most of the accumulated savings, and they are far more likely to save and invest than spend. Lower and middle-income households tend to spend most of what they earn, saving relatively little."

The article also spoke on vaccination desire, etc.


Basically when you look at what people are saying and what I'm reading and my own situation it's kinda the opposite of what the poster was saying. I understand there is a desire to put forth positive information and normally I'm all about that but it's okay to also be realistic whilst at the same time not being a debbie downer.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Hey man- I'm just the messenger.

There is a stat regarding stimulus money and forced savings throughout the pandemic.

I think the rest (unleashing part) is completely opinion-based regarding what that means. I'm not saying you're incorrect but that it's your opinion (or opinion of some in the financial field) and others have their own opinions too (including some in the financial field) on what 1.3 trillion means.

I do think everyone wishes our economy would rebound no matter how it happens

 

[DLgal]

I think the information the person is talking about is from mid-December and is "It is estimated that there is $1.3 trillion savings accumulated left over from CARES Act stimulus and forced savings."

Here's more information I saw from an article (don't know if it's the same one):

• The aggregate amount of savings is not as important as how it is distributed amongst consumers.
• Since the majority of savings is held by high-income households, it will not be as great a source of stimulus as many assume it will be.

This comment from the article I was reading matches the thought process the poster was saying: "The thinking is that this massive amount of stimulus could close that output gap if it is spent on goods and services once the pandemic comes to an end."

"The reality is that upper-income households are the ones holding most of the accumulated savings, and they are far more likely to save and invest than spend. Lower and middle-income households tend to spend most of what they earn, saving relatively little."

The article also spoke on vaccination desire, etc.


Basically when you look at what people are saying and what I'm reading and my own situation it's kinda the opposite of what the poster was saying. I understand there is a desire to put forth positive information and normally I'm all about that but it's okay to also be realistic whilst at the same time not being a debbie downer.

Yep. We are considered an upper income household and have spent SOME stimulus money (we got the full amounts because about 1/3 of our income is non-taxable). But overall we are using this opportunity to save, save, save. We have some short term goals and this has given us a jump start. The next stimulus check is going into our brokerage account. We won't be vacationing until at least 2022.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

snort, not this American! We got hit hard.

I'm sorry

 

[snappy]

It truly varies based upon the individual’s personal situation. We have been spending, going on a 4th beach trip soon, staying at a home that is privately owned for each trip. Also spent a lot locally, installation of new windows, hiring people to remove a number of trees and others to add new soil, landscaping, and sod, hiring a carpenter for repairs, and painters to paint the exterior. All local business owners. So some $ going into the local economy as well as Florida.

 

[OKbyme]

Anyone from PA or even interested in the handling of vaccine distribution in the state, Matt Cartwright is to have a telephone town hall tonight to answer questions about PA’s vaccine distribution efforts and economic relief. Also there will be representatives from the PA Department of Health & U.S. Small Business Administration at 5:30pm. You can actually sign up for this on his FB page if interested.


Will be very interested in the vaccine distribution discussion as I have been trying to make an appointment for my high risk son for the past couple of weeks. Not even a waiting list anywhere and supposedly PA is going to lower the number of facilities that will be administering the vaccine, and require them to have staff available to schedule appointments for people seeking vaccinations. I really would like to hear how this will improve PA's response so far.