CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[DLgal]

An individual who is choosing to be only for themselves is one thing and I wouldn't condone that though I don't know how many are actually paying their way. I do know deception has occurred with sometimes laxness in proving you are eligible.

But a state buying it up? It looks really bad IMO because NY is trying it out. I though Cumuo beat COVID? Shouldn't he be willing to allow other states before his? Unless he's buying it and going to distribute it to all 50 states and our territories..which no state would actually do that if they were to buy it. It just makes us look like greedy people even though the object being fought over is a vaccine. It would, IMO, make even more of a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together" spiel that many people have come to joke about because it couldn't be farther from the truth in many ways.

Eh. I don't see the problem, honestly. States have basically been left to manage this entire pandemic on their own up to this point. Why shouldn't they be allowed to purchase and distribute vaccine if the federal government isn't going to do if efficiently? It's a free market. And states rights, and all that jazz.

 

[mom2rtk]

It would, IMO, make even more of a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together" spiel that many people have come to joke about because it couldn't be farther from the truth in many ways.

Yeah, that ship sailed some time ago.

 

[Jonfw2]

Eh. I don't see the problem, honestly. States have basically been left to manage this entire pandemic on their own up to this point. Why shouldn't they be allowed to purchase and distribute vaccine if the federal government isn't going to do if efficiently? It's a free market. And states rights, and all that jazz.

Well, now it's up to Biden and his people don't like it.

 

[Kae]

CA, however, has been an enigma since the beginning of the pandemic. It is a big state with a huge population so much of it is understandable. But it is a blue state with good weather year round making it easier to be outside more and has instituted some of the strictest restrictions and yet continues to have some of the worse Covid numbers. It is not a surprise they are struggling with vaccine distribution.

And silicon Valley and they can't get their app up. I saw an article saying they want to be thoughtful about how they do their distribution of the vaccine-

 

[gwynne]

Well, now it's up to Biden and his people don't like it.

I think it's one step at a time.
In the next day or two they will get an accurate inventory and location of the vaccine.
See where we are, quickly build on that, keep track of the numbers going forward.
Inventory and logistics are critical.

 

[DLgal]

Well, now it's up to Biden and his people don't like it.

Well, the hope is that this team actually has a plan.

 

[Jonfw2]

Well, the hope is that this team actually has a plan.

I saw it best put over the weekend: there is nothing surprising or amazing about his plan. Everything in it is common sense. To put it another way, everything we should have been doing all along.

 

[DLgal]

I saw it best put over the weekend: there is nothing surprising or amazing about his plan. Everything in it is common sense. To put it another way, everything we should have been doing all along.

LOL. Exactly.

 

[godisney14]

Just to be clear, are you hoping for the country to do something more strict than what CA is currently doing?


I'm curious why you think things would go any better under a stricter lockdown then.


What does that have to do with the question I asked?

There's quite a few comments being taken out of context.

I wasn't specifically hoping for more restrictions. My prior comment was solely in response to jonfw2's comment of how cases seem to be falling in the UK for a few weeks even with supposedly a new strain. So, I responded saying they implemented a strict lockdown since mid-December, which coincides with the falling numbers.

Under a stricter stay at home order, the national US numbers did manage to fall down last year if you remember.

I disagree. I live in OC. Our numbers were averaging in the 300s daily. Then, suddenly out of nowhere in mid November (before the holidays), they exploded TEN FOLD+. New restrictions were placed a couple weeks later and cases continued to go up and up.

The restrictions are far more than you mentioned. All on-site dining (indoor and outdoor) has been shut down for a very long time. Many places of leisure business that had previously been open are still shut down. There is a curfew in place after 10pm. Etc. The case numbers grew exponentially at a time when they should have quickly gone down. Last time restrictions were placed around July, case numbers went down almost immediately.

I really have to believe that there is a more easily transmissabke strain here, which researchers seem to have discovered, so let's maybe not blame the literally 10 fold increase in cases on "people not adhering to restrictions."

Well, to be frank, some Californians think of OC as one of those less compliant counties relative to some other areas. You may see things a little differently since you are from OC.

I agree that the new cases is also a factor of a new strain. The CA epidemiologist did just say yesterday that a quarter (up from just a couple % in the prior weeks back in December) of new sequenced cases have been of a new California strain that is unrelated to the UK strain. Mostly in southern CA right now, but that's likely because genes aren't sequenced as often in CA (and the US) as some other countries do. And, since its new, no one can say yet with some certainty what the effects are on transmission or clinical symptoms.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Eh. I don't see the problem, honestly. States have basically been left to manage this entire pandemic on their own up to this point. Why shouldn't they be allowed to purchase and distribute vaccine if the federal government isn't going to do if efficiently? It's a free market. And states rights, and all that jazz.

Because there's a difference in what you're talking about and the vaccine itself.

You're in CA..your state would outbid the heck out of my state; At the end of November it was said CA will have $26 billion dollars in a windfall for next fiscal year.

I never liked that PPE and COVID tests were left mainly up to the states. It's one of the things I wholeheartedly agreed should have been a national response. It's exactly why we had private citizens paying a million dollars to get tests, it's why my state was constantly outbid for PPE. And I don't think that just because one situation occurred does not mean another should by virtue of it. I'm against both for the same reason, you're for it for the same reason.

Right now the Federal government had paid for vaccines AND ensured it didn't cost anything to people using CARES Act funding. But what's stopping states from charging if they themselves had to purchase it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yeah, that ship sailed some time ago.

No kidding

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, the hope is that this team actually has a plan.

Well they've been talking the talk so hopefully they walk the walk.

 

[godisney14]

And silicon Valley and they can't get their app up. I saw an article saying they want to be thoughtful about how they do their distribution of the vaccine-

You do realize Apple and Google has made an API possible for the literally dozens and dozens (and dozens) of apps being used across the country. The problem is some are national and some are local, and there is no good interoperability.

Just like what was mentioned above about states having been left alone to do their own things throughout the pandemic, there has been no centralized app.

Not to mention it is difficult to have an effective app when all of this is just voluntary.
People mention about why some don't want a vaccine right away? How about why some people still don't want to wear masks or submit to a completely anonymous tokenized app?

 

[DLgal]

Because there's a difference in what you're talking about and the vaccine itself.

You're in CA..your state would outbid the heck out of my state; At the end of November it was said CA will have $26 billion dollars in a windfall for next fiscal year.

I never liked that PPE and COVID tests were left mainly up to the states. It's one of the things I wholeheartedly agreed should have been a national response. It's exactly why we had private citizens paying a million dollars to get tests, it's why my state was constantly outbid for PPE. And I don't think that just because one situation occurred does not mean another should by virtue of it. I'm against both for the same reason, you're for it for the same reason.

Right now the Federal government had paid for vaccines AND ensured it didn't cost anything to people using CARES Act funding. But what's stopping states from charging if they themselves had to purchase it.

Well, those are the benefits of living in high tax states like CA and New York. How do you think our state got so much money in the first place?

People like to seek out the lowest tax states to live in, and constantly complain about raising taxes, and then whine about the lack of funding for things. Makes no sense. I am happy to pay higher taxes to be better taken care of. That's how it goes.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, those are the benefits of living in high tax states like CA and New York. How do you think our state got so much money in the first place?

People like to seek out the lowest tax states to live in, and constantly complain about raising taxes, and then whine about the lack of funding for things. Makes no sense. I am happy to pay higher taxes to be better taken care of. That's how it goes.

I don't think you're thinking much about how other places operate. Sales tax in my area ranges from nearly 9.5%-11.00+%. My state unfortunately has a high reliance on property tax so much that my governor tried reactivating a law that would ease a county's reliance on property tax. This past May my county raised the mill levy on our property tax. We had a good economy and a prior governor destroyed it and I can't say much because that's political but we were just starting to look up and then COVID hit. Our agriculture really can help though.

My husband lived in CA for 9 months in 2019 and he SAVED money on income tax in comparison to our state because of the income brackets CA has and the income brackets my state has.

I love living where I live, I'm happy that 55% of my property tax goes to my school district. I live in the wealthiest county in my state and boy don't we pay for things and we're willing to do it. The citizens of my area demand services. BUT I care very much about the rest of my state as well and according to my county we should be blessed that we have the lowest mill levy in the state (although after it got raised I'm not sure). We pay a lot here I can only imagine how much rural parts of my state pay. The county above me is often the poorest in the state. In proportion to their house values they pay more than we do in my county.

Last year it was said my has the highest property tax of rural type states. A news story from 2019 listed CA at that time as 21st highest in per capita property tax..my state was 22nd highest. While rates vary because of bonds, and county and public services the effective tax rate in CA was listed as 0.76, my state was listed as 1.32. That same news story from 2019 listed CA as having the 8th highest median income, my state was listed as 21st lowest.

These figures may not be exact as of this moment but the base premise is still the same.

Your gripes are stereotypical gripes and you don't even know the lives people are living. Please don't tell me about whining and complaining about low tax states..I'm not in one for all intents and purposes.

But all this and more is exactly why I don't think states should be able to purchase it. Much depends on so many factors that create an unequal system.

 

[Colleen27]

Broad restrictions have not prevented friends and families get togethers in each others' homes. These are the super spreading events. On the bright side, the numbers should start declining since we are two weeks out from New Years.
The next big surge will be after Super Bowl Sunday Feb 7th.

But every state has those same events, and few have seen as terrible numbers as California through recent months. Some of that might be on a larger unexposed population, because California's restrictions have been stricter throughout and their initial surge so much smaller than most of the country, but it isn't as though the backlash to lockdowns or the shift to private parties in the face of public closures is unique to California. I'm in a rural part of Michigan, in the county that holds the distinction of lowest percentage of the population expressing willingness to get the vaccine; believe me, people here gathered for Thanksgiving and Christmas and every U of M game and the Rose Bowl and random Friday nights, restaurants are defying the shutdown order and have been since the weather makes outdoor dining mostly impossible, mask compliance is about 50/50 in a lot of settings... oh, and schools have been open in person for most of the year. We still didn't see a surge on anything even close to the scale California has.

No, CA is not in a lockdown. It is in a stay at home order. So, all retail is still open. Just not personal places like salons and spas.

It’s working in the areas where people were already adhering to all safety restrictions before the orders.

It is not working in areas where people were already not adhering to safety restrictions before the orders.

Some people think CA is just this big blue liberal state. But, our population is so big that even a minority percentage is greater than some states.

But is it? When my daughter came home, the Bay Area was starting to see a big upswing in cases even though compliance there has been really good all along. When we were out there in October, we didn't see anyone unmasked, anywhere, and the restaurants had done a beautiful job creating outdoor dining spaces, to the point where we never felt any need or desire to dine indoors. None of that stopped the fall/winter resurgence of the virus, though.

I feel like there's something we're missing in the data, and that this focus on individual behavior and compliance is interfering with taking a really clear-eyed look at what is and isn't working. A more infectious variant seems a more plausible explanation than the idea that individual non-compliance is somehow worse in California than in the rest of the country, even in states where there aren't even restrictions to be complied with, but it seems like those kinds of macro-level issues are being crowded out by the micro-level tendency to blame "them" ("them" being anyone not taking the virus as seriously as "us"). Which is a very American tendency, but not one that is helpful when trying to formulate effective solutions to big-picture problems.

 

[KBoopaloo]

I saw it best put over the weekend: there is nothing surprising or amazing about his plan. Everything in it is common sense. To put it another way, everything we should have been doing all along.

I saw one analysis that assessed it as “maddeningly obvious” which seems about right. Hopefully it can be put into action quickly and effectively.

 

[Colleen27]

Eh. I don't see the problem, honestly. States have basically been left to manage this entire pandemic on their own up to this point. Why shouldn't they be allowed to purchase and distribute vaccine if the federal government isn't going to do if efficiently? It's a free market. And states rights, and all that jazz.

The problem is the crisis it will create within states, the temptation to defund other core services like schools and public safety for the sake of getting residents vaccinated sooner. Not to mention what bidding wars would do to the total/absolute cost of those vaccinations. Look at what happened with PPE - bidding wars meant some states were paying twice or more the usual price for supplies and no one could count on receiving anything because orders were being cancelled when higher bids came in. States can't plan for vaccine distribution if today they believe they've got a deal for 100K doses but find out tomorrow that another state offered a higher price so those doses just aren't coming.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

To who asked, yes, it sounds like this town is a "subHub."

My parents tried for hours. They finally got a message to leave their name and number and they would be contacted within 24 hours. No return call yet. Dh said 25,000 people called, as per the county official on the radio this am. Surely there is a better way to do this.

I was the one asking about that. Well I hope that subhub is at least within somewhat of a reasonable distance. That was the point of the hubs to lower the distance needed but I sure hope it doesn't place too much of a burden on folks for getting to where that subhub is at. I think mostly in my state the hubs are transporting the vaccine to the local communities at this point. I'm not sure if mass vaccination sites will be used for situations where people have to drive a long distance to just get there but we're not at mass vaccination site yet because of supply.

I'm sorry to hear about all the troubles, I hope they get a call back!

 

[bethbuchall]

Last I heard, Pfizer changed their stance on vaccinating the placebo group after Pfizer said they'd be doing so. I'd call the facility you participated through.

According to the study website, they have not changed their stance. I decided to call our site anyway to get information. They are in the middle of unblinding now. Because I called and expressed interest, they will move our files up. We should hear back within two weeks. We will remain the study and continue to go to appointments and fill in our study diary.