CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I mentioned this on another thread

The UK strain they thought had already been here since November has been identified officially in CO (first), then CA and now FL-this might have been mentioned in the last couple pages sorry if it had

My state came out today and said they will use genome sequencing in looking for this particular UK strain. They've only done to date about 1% of the cases on genome sequencing but they announced they plan to increase lab capacity for this.

Completely unbeknownst to me they've identified multiple strains throughout the state..that part isn't surprising (it's how viruses work) but rather I was unaware there were lesser known strains. Apparently we've had Wisconsin-strain and Utah-strain to name two of them.

 

[NotUrsula]

Nitpicking a bit, but Fauci isn't actually part of the CDC. Fauci is one of 20 Institute Directors at the National Institutes of Health, which is itself a Directorate of the Dept. of Health & Human Services. NIH is at the same level as the CDC on the HHS org chart. The Director of the CDC (Redfield) has rank one level higher than Fauci, but Fauci does not answer to Redfield. Fauci's direct boss is the Director of the NIH Francis S. Collins. Collins & Redfield have equivalent rank at HHS; both report directly to the Secretary of HHS, who is a member of the Cabinet.

That said, in research terms, Fauci is a rock star, and actually is the 2d highest-paid Federal taxpayer-paid employee, after the President. He is by far the longest-serving Institute Director at NIH. Redfield doesn't come close in terms of scientifuc achievements or respect by the world scientific community.

 

[Colleen27]

It is true that Fauci cannot pass regulations, however, our legislatures rely on the CDC to make their laws based on their recommendations, and Fauci is part of the CDC.

If people just open their eyes they can see they are acclimating the public to get used to vaccine proof to fly or enter any large public space, which includes Disney World. I would be shocked if this didn't happen by the end of 2021. I would go as far as predicting that Disneyland will not open until these vaccine certificates/proof of vaccine is in place. They are creating the technology right now to do so.

You can really imagine a vaccine mandate at Disney Parks in 2021, with the general consensus being that there won't be a vaccine for kids until 2022? That DLR will open but only to people over 16/18, depending on which vaccine is available in their area? That's the biggest reason I just don't see it for the domestic travel industry or US destinations. In 2021, where a desire to get back to normal as soon as possible despite the virus still being fairly widespread, there will likely be some support/pressure for mandates but I expect there will also be a lot of pushback from businesses who aren't willing to exclude children and parents from their customer base. In 2022, when we should be able to get our kids vaccinated, the support/pressure in favor of a mandate will have been weakened by waning virus numbers.

Most of the companies developing this technology are talking primarily about creating an internationally recognized/accepted vaccine credential, and for that I think there will be mandates and these apps might make compliance easier. But the extrapolation and speculation about it being needed for theme parks in the US or to board a place going from one city to another within our country all seems to be coming from elsewhere, from reporters and public health officials and academics who are thinking in much broader terms. I think the media, in particular, is over-focusing on this angle because it is shocking/controversial to a significant portion of the population for one reason or another, and therefore it drives clicks and shares.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Another misleading headline from a publication infamous for them. Fauci said "these are all things that will be discussed", essentially avoiding taking a position when he was asked to speculate on what the incoming administration would do. That's no more an indicator of what will or won't happen than any of the previous speculation, but the headline certainly makes for good fodder to get people to assume the headline is the content and share accordingly.

When I posted yesterday, there were few articles about it, hence I used that one. As of now, there are more, and it appears to be “news”. I, personally, have not seen him say these things before, including on Medscape which I read regularly for work. As I mentioned, I know some of this has been discussed here before.


From Newsweek:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...t-mandatory-vaccinations-travel-1558303?amp=1

Did you read the article? Because this literally says nothing. Vaccines POSSIBLY mandatory. Great, that’s not new. This is all just speculation. (And Fauci can’t pass regulations himself anyhow...)

Um, no, I didn’t. I routinely post articles that I have not read nor understand here on large threads like this just for the heck of it.

 

[Jonfw2]

Would it be fair to say one of Disney’s top objectives right now is to get WDW operating at 100% capacity?​

 

[EACarlson]

In August he said the Federal government wouldn't mandate it (saying they couldn't though I don't know enough about that if that's the case) for the general public but that it was different if businesses chose to or schools. Though if you look at your article it does say "I’m not sure [the COVID-19 vaccine] going to be mandatory from a central government standpoint, like federal government mandates,” Fauci said, though he added that he’s “sure” that some individual institutions will require the shot."

So it might just be industry norms like the airlines having that as their policy. I think that's just the expected part I guess.

US Supreme Court precedent would state that that at least the states have the ability to mandate vaccinations and enforce penalties for refusing to do so. Jacobsen v. Massachusetts (1905) and affirmed in Zucht v. King (1922) Until SCOTUS upheld the ACA I would have thought that anything like that would be struck down, now I'm not so sure.

 

[amylevan]

Would it be fair to say one of Disney’s top objectives right now is to get WDW operating at 100% capacity?​

Sure. But they aren’t going to mandate a vaccine until
1. That vaccine can be accessed by its targeted clientele: children under 16
And more importantly
2. That vaccine has FULL FDA approval, not just EUA. (Because lawyers).

If and when both of those things come to be, will vaccine mandates still be necessary? Or even in the forefront of people’s minds? We are fickle, once COVID is no longer the main news story, most people will stop worrying about it.

 

[Jonfw2]

Sure. But they aren’t going to mandate a vaccine until
1. That vaccine can be accessed by its targeted clientele: children under 16
And more importantly
2. That vaccine has FULL FDA approval, not just EUA. (Because lawyers).

If and when both of those things come to be, will vaccine mandates still be necessary? Or even in the forefront of people’s minds? We are fickle, once COVID is no longer the main news story, most people will stop worrying about it.

Fair.

Here is my thought: park entry will not require a vaccine but certain experiences- character dinners, VIP stuff- may. And it would be 18 and over.

 

[bethbuchall]

I’m getting vaxxed! The Moderna study will unnblinded starting January 5. You go in, get a nasal swab and antibody test, then they tell you whether you got the vaccine or the placebo. If you got the placebo you get vaxxed on the spot.

Great news! Congrats to you!
I just read that Pfizer is moving up their timeline and the placebo group will be vaccinated (if they so choose) by March 1.

 

[Jonfw2]

Great news! Congrats to you!
I just read that Pfizer is moving up their timeline and the placebo group will be vaccinated (if they so choose) by March 1.

Thank you!!! That’s fascinating news about Pfizer. Once Moderna did it, I mean they just looked terrible by comparison.

 

[EACarlson]

Fair.

Here is my thought: park entry will not require a vaccine but certain experiences- character dinners, VIP stuff- may. And it would be 18 and over.

I would think they would be much more likely to just require vaccinations for cast members and be done with it. Even if Disney required it, how are they going to check it? The vaccine cards?

 

[Jonfw2]

I would think they would be much more likely to just require vaccinations for cast members and be done with it. Even if Disney required it, how are they going to check it? The vaccine cards?

There’s a bunch of ways. As Fauci stated (and other countries are doing) a vaccine passport is a possibility. Also, read the Ticketmaster story I posted- there will absolutely be apps where you can have your vaccine data uploaded. Finally, yes- the vaccine card itself with the threat of having your trip revoked if you forge it.

 

[skeeter31]

Fair.

Here is my thought: park entry will not require a vaccine but certain experiences- character dinners, VIP stuff- may. And it would be 18 and over.

Disney wouldn’t have separate groups of people walking around without masks and others with masks. It’s why you can’t even take your mask off for a picture in the park. People are too stupid walking around the parks and if they saw someone without a mask, they would whip theirs off. Logistical nightmare for Disney to do that.

And Disney wouldn’t even think of doing any vaccine mandates until children are able to vaccinated. So we’re talking at least a year or probably 2 from now. But there is really no way I can see a company like Disney doing a vaccine mandate. It just won’t happen.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I would think they would be much more likely to just require vaccinations for cast members and be done with it. Even if Disney required it, how are they going to check it? The vaccine cards?

I'm inclined to think that this is how it will go as time moves on. I think that enough people will opt out of the vaccine that businesses like Disney won't require vaccines of guests. I think ultimately it will end up being workplaces that may require it, but even in those settings you're going to see people easily navigating those waters to avoid it if they are motivated enough. As we move forward and hopefully most of us get the vaccine, people will begin to emerge and feel more comfortable traveling and fully engaging in our society. We'll all be asked to wear masks for quite awhile, but that will fade as well. But I do believe that there will be a sizable percentage of Americans who are going to opt out. In the last day alone I was in a group text with women my age...50s, and several have daughters who are in college or recently graduated, and all have decided against it for now due to infertility fears. That alone is going to be a big group.

As we've all said, it will be required for international travel, even to countries where vaccine acceptance is similar to ours. For instance, the EU. They may have a tough time getting all residents to take the vaccine, but they can certainly tell people from the United States that they need to have it to enter here. And you're absolutely not going to places like New Zealand, Australia, likely all Asian countries and the African continent without that vaccine.

All of these new apps....I'm thinking it will end up not being a big thing here in the US. It sounds like tech people looking for a business opportunity more than anything else. We have a Covid App for NJ where I go everyday and check in....you report if you have any symptoms and there's an "exposure alert' on there that is supposed to tell you if you've been exposed. To date, 491,000 people have used it. There are 9 million residents in NJ. I can definitely see there being a "passport vaccine QR code"....something you'd get through our passport agencies...but I think that'll be it.

The one area that is going to be interesting to watch is cruises. Employees will be vaccinated, for sure. It'll be interesting to see if cruise lines require it, and if so how strict they will be.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

I can’t even put into words how angry and frustrating this whole situation makes me. Vaccines sitting around unused with no plans or help to get them to people is unacceptable and just downright embarrassing for this country. I shouldn’t be surprised based on the whole response to this point, and I’m trying to remain hopeful that things will pick up, but it’s hard. My Dad was hoping that he and my Mom could possibly get vaccinated by February/March, but at this rate that won’t happen.

 

[huskies90]

I highly doubt proof of COVID-19 vaccination will become a thing. Instead, I expect us to continue to wear masks and socially distance because we won't know who has been vaccinated.

Short term, yes. Once the vaccine is available to everyone, no. People are not going to social distance and wear masks against their will forever. It is hard enough getting people to do that now. And most people who are doing it now do it to protect others. Once the vaccines are widely available (assuming they work as advertised), that will end. There will be one of two ways this goes: Either enough people take the vaccine and the virus dies out enough that it is back page news (I don’t think it will ever be gone) or not enough people take the vaccine and it is still spreading. Businesses will then start to get creative to safely open at full capacity and only allowing those who are vaccinated will “become a thing.” I think one thing we have learned in the last 9 months is that we should not “highly doubt” anything when it comes to Covid.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

You can really imagine a vaccine mandate at Disney Parks in 2021, with the general consensus being that there won't be a vaccine for kids until 2022? That DLR will open but only to people over 16/18, depending on which vaccine is available in their area? That's the biggest reason I just don't see it for the domestic travel industry or US destinations. In 2021, where a desire to get back to normal as soon as possible despite the virus still being fairly widespread, there will likely be some support/pressure for mandates but I expect there will also be a lot of pushback from businesses who aren't willing to exclude children and parents from their customer base. In 2022, when we should be able to get our kids vaccinated, the support/pressure in favor of a mandate will have been weakened by waning virus numbers.

Most of the companies developing this technology are talking primarily about creating an internationally recognized/accepted vaccine credential, and for that I think there will be mandates and these apps might make compliance easier. But the extrapolation and speculation about it being needed for theme parks in the US or to board a place going from one city to another within our country all seems to be coming from elsewhere, from reporters and public health officials and academics who are thinking in much broader terms. I think the media, in particular, is over-focusing on this angle because it is shocking/controversial to a significant portion of the population for one reason or another, and therefore it drives clicks and shares.

Where are you seeing 2022 for a vaccine for kids? Everything I have seen and heard is mid-late 2021.

 

[EACarlson]

Where are you seeing 2022 for a vaccine for kids? Everything I have seen and heard is mid-late 2021.

Moderna hasn't even started looking at trials for those less than 12 yet. Pfizer hasn't either and the last I saw only had 100 subjects in the 12-15 age group. My understanding is that they have to complete those trials before moving onto younger age groups.
I will tell you my kids will not be getting a COVID vaccine until there is full FDA clearance, not an EUA. And I'm satisfied that it has been sufficiently studied. If that means we miss out on a few trips, so be it. But I highly doubt that it will.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Just wanted to say how wonderful it is that we are having conversations about how best to roll out the vaccines that work and have the luxury of complaining about missed targets and criticising policy. Think it's appropriate to take a beat to recognize how staggeringly miraculous it is that the world has been able to get here so fast and all the people involved. I get the roll out is not perfect but anyone who knows anything at all about human history and disease should acknowledge how lucky we are to have avoided the millions and millions of lives that could have been lost, thanks science nerds who might be reading this

 

[dvcgirl67]

Just wanted to say how wonderful it is that we are having conversations about how best to roll out the vaccines that work and have the luxury of complaining about missed targets and criticising policy. Think it's appropriate to take a beat to recognize how staggeringly miraculous it is that the world has been able to get here so fast and all the people involved. I get the roll out is not perfect but anyone who knows anything at all about human history and disease should acknowledge how lucky we are to have avoided the millions and millions of lives that could have been lost, thanks science nerds who might be reading this

Very, very true, no matter how much I may grumble about delays with the vaccine rollout (and I reserve my right to continue to grumble). My hope is that our world is in a much better place when the next pandemic rears its awful head. If there's a silver lining...it might be that.