CCV Studio Availability @ 11 months

[anomamatt]

I understand that a point reallocation may increase availability, but I take umbrage with the idea. Its a bait and switch.. they sold the resort with everyone thinking they could get a defined stay for a defined number of points. You can bet your *** that the Disney actuarials ran the numbers and knew that there would be a problem with studio availability... but they built the 26 cabins anyway, knowing that they were sticking it to most of the buyers, who were likely buying on average 160 points each.

I don't disagree with you. But that doesn't make the problem go away. And there is a problem, that is cabin related. Outside of a point reallocation, I don't see how it gets fixed.

I'm surprised there isn't more outrage that Reflections is going to have a similar model with cabin-type accommodations. As I said before, I like staying in the bungalows and cabins, but they have wreaked absolute havoc on the members of their resorts.

The allocation that everyone fought is needed, in part, due to these structures. Perhaps it's worth rallying around stopping DVC from spreading this model further...

 

[crvetter]

I'm surprised there isn't more outrage that Reflections is going to have a similar model with cabin-type accommodations.

To be fair we don't yet know the break-up or point cost of them (will they be smaller 1 bed units that are cheaper) or what the Hotel/DVC will own.

The allocation that everyone fought is needed, in part, due to these structures. Perhaps it's worth rallying around stopping DVC from spreading this model further...

We did fight the reallocation but DVC wasn't really reallocating because of these units (the point movement from them was minuscule at best). If DVC felt it was because of them then PVB and CCV should have had much larger reallocations (as reallocations for Home Points are supposed to only consider the home not the 7 month change that DVC included). Overall I don't think the cabin and bungalows are solely to explain for the issue, so I agree here; however, I think that DVC doesn't even wants to tackle the problem--its a win win for them to never fix it, which needs to be carefully thought out anyway.

I think many people weren't completely against the reallocation just that it made 0 sense based on their explanations. Many problems exist that made what they did questionable at best to illegal at worst. I know some of others that called weren't even against it 100% just thought along this line. I had a bit of divergence where I thought they can't exchange among Home Types but probably should, along with the other concerns.

 

[RichVIII]

This is quickly killing my desire to buy some points to stay in a CCV studio. We will at some point want 1 bdrms but still. We just loved CCV but it sounds like a mess.

 

[crvetter]

This is quickly killing my desire to buy some points to stay in a CCV studio. We will at some point want 1 bdrms but still. We just loved CCV but it sounds like a mess.

When do you plan on traveling? Also as for increasing the cost of the studios DVC increased them for all WDW resorts across the board in the initial 2020 charts. CCV wasn’t treated any differently and maintained the same point chart as BRV.

If you are comfortable with point cost for the units around BLT lake view charts for 2019/2020, which has no availability issues, I think that’s the worse that CCV will go. And if they move the other units to those prices that will put the cabins affordable. Of course this is all my speculation but looking at the numbers if it went BLT lake view point costs the Cabins costs are cut by 25%. If you use VGF Standard View as an example of where they could go that would cut the cabin cost by 55% and put them cheaper than a 2 bedroom, which isn't likely to happen because then the availability of the Cabin would be gone at 11 months at 8AM.

As for the problems booking now before any fixes it really depends on your travel time. Christmas season at both WL properties was tight and I expect likely to remain tight no matter the fixes simply because people want to travel to the lodge to see it and it’s why they bought. I watched BRV first two weeks in December disappear first day too. You are in a good spot that a guaranteed week (which you can cancel and use the points however) would likely work great for you because incentives are low and if you want a smaller contract incentives are negligible.

 

[huskerfanatic7]

I highly doubt they change the seasons. First they have no incentive to do that and secondly even though the low points times are really busy for DVC it is within the overall slow time in general for WDW. They want more people to go in the down periods when schools are in session

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I highly doubt they change the seasons. First they have no incentive to do that and secondly even though the low points times are really busy for DVC it is within the overall slow time in general for WDW. They want more people to go in the down periods when schools are in session

They would have to do all 15 WDW resorts at once. (Easy to exclude any non-WDW from the realignment.) That's an expensive process, at that scale.

 

[crvetter]

I highly doubt they change the seasons. First they have no incentive to do that and secondly even though the low points times are really busy for DVC it is within the overall slow time in general for WDW. They want more people to go in the down periods when schools are in session

I wouldn’t disagree but they are obligated to do what’s in the best interest of members not WDW (will they is a different question but it’s easy to prove it would be very beneficial to members). Basically this comment is for the OP so they are aware the time of year and point costs could theoretically change so they would want a little buffer in points purchased, the guaranteed week to avoid this issue, or be flexible with travel time.

 

[The Jackal]

This is the crux of the issue on the 2020 point charts (original). DVC says they never sold it that way but the guides were uneducated because the change across units rarely occured (except treehouse villas) and the original documents (VGF prior) that said change would be seasonal weren't legally binding. So I think the guides have been reeducated recently because everything I've heard is they say reallocation can occur across units. I wonder what the new product understanding checklist looks like today, in November it was super ambiguous though I was told after my many calls it was going to be modified.

There own marketing material said they could only change points seasonally and had to add up to a certain amount, unless more units were added . Then after 25 years of staying with that they all of a sudden change things and SWGE is in the mix .they are just trying to get some of their investment back .

 

[ScubaCat]

I think dedicated reservations are a waste everywhere except CCV Studios. If you want a studio only at CCV it’s worth the cost.

For now, yes, but who knows what the future will entail. And you can always cancel the week and use all the points on a different booking.

Also, the guaranteed week contracts protect you from potential increases due to point reallocations.

I'm honestly surprised there aren't more of them. All you're doing is locking in a guaranteed, optional booking at a 10% point premium.

 

[crvetter]

There own marketing material said they could only change points seasonally and had to add up to a certain amount, unless more units were added . Then after 25 years of staying with that they all of a sudden change things and SWGE is in the mix .they are just trying to get some of their investment back .

I wasn’t disagreeing with this point however they said it wasn’t legally binding documents, which is technically true but sort of showed the original leaderships intention though. But I fully expect some movement among Home Types also I will add there was one Multi-Site POS iteration (I think the one created when VB joined) that did say movement could be among Home Types but it was the only document and was removed after.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I wasn’t disagreeing with this point however they said it wasn’t legally binding documents, which is technically true but sort of showed the original leaderships intention though. But I fully expect some movement among Home Types also I will add there was one Multi-Site POS iteration (I think the one created when VB joined) that did say movement could be among Home Types but it was the only document and was removed after.

Saying a product disclosure isn't correct is stating that you lied to the purchaser.

I bet it's the opinion of some others too.

I've no doubt they were hating that those exist but to state they were written sales material to outline the understanding of what the buyer was purchasing? I'm doubtful they'd say that again.

 

[crvetter]

Saying a product disclosure isn't correct is stating that you lied to the purchaser.

I bet it's the opinion of some others too.

I've no doubt they were hating that those exist but to state they were written sales material to outline the understanding of what the buyer was purchasing? I'm doubtful they'd say that again.

My point isn’t to rehash this on here as there is a thread on the topic and my opinions and efforts to turn over the 2020 charts are on their among the others to call. Which aren’t off from this expressed on here.

My comments was for the OP to consider extra points when buying to give themselves a cushion or consider the GW. I own CCV and do enjoy it so I don’t want to discourage it just offer advice how to protect their expectations.

 

[Anthony Vito]

Is there somewhere convenient to look at the breakdown of points by room type? So without having to go through the the points charts and do the individual math, what percentage of the total points are for cabins, etc.?

 

[Deb & Bill]

When you compare the points required for BRV and CCV, they are nearly identical. If they need to reallocate the points at CCV, the number of points required for the smaller villas will need to go up and the cabins go down. That leads the number of points required at BRV to be a lot less than CCR for the smaller units. It might put them up with the point requirements for GFV standard view.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

When you compare the points required for BRV and CCV, they are nearly identical. If they need to reallocate the points at CCV, the number of points required for the smaller villas will need to go up and the cabins go down. That leads the number of points required at BRV to be a lot less than CCR for the smaller units. It might put them up with the point requirements for GFV standard view.

Would they only change the points chart for CCV and not BRV? I think they would have to change both, and that would be very unfair to BRV owners.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Would they only change the points chart for CCV and not BRV? I think they would have to change both, and that would be very unfair to BRV owners.

They do not have to change both. Entirely separate associations.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

They do not have to change both. Entirely separate associations.

But, they kept the CCV points chart exactly like BRV. I don’t see that changing, even though it could.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Would they only change the points chart for CCV and not BRV? I think they would have to change both, and that would be very unfair to BRV owners.

No, there are no cabins associated with BRV, only studios, one and two bedroom villas. But to get the cabins booked, they would need to spread the points around, like they did with the THV. It raised the points for THV and lowered points elsewhere at SSR.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

But, they kept the CCV points chart exactly like BRV. I don’t see that changing, even though it could.

My point is mostly that there is no legal restriction on making such a change, and if Disney decide they want to, they will.

 

[Deb & Bill]

But, they kept the CCV points chart exactly like BRV. I don’t see that changing, even though it could.

They are two separate resorts. It would be no different than SSR and OKW changing the point requirement.