Cat Owners - Please help me! **UPDATE PAGE 2**

Pete's Mom

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Let me first apologize to those who feel that I am posting too much personal information about my cats. :p

After about 10 years with no pets, Pete and I adopted a 5 week old abandoned female kitten last September. Pete named her Luigi (he says she's Italian :confused: ) and we settled into a nice routine. Pete loves her very much and is very gentle with her. He helps clean her litter box, he feeds and waters her, plays with her, brushes her, etc. She in turn treats him as if HE is HER pet. She curls up by his head and GROOMS him while he sleeps. She brushes her paws through his hair and licks his head. :eek: She also walks around and cries and looks for him when he is not home. :(

A month after we got Luigi, the owner of our company called and asked me if I wanted to adopt their cat. Shadow is an neutered Egyptian Mau whose is 3 years old and had been front declawed. Shadow spent most of his life hiding under furniture to avoid the huge standard poodle they had gotten and he was a very timid cat. So when we took Shadow in our 1 pound Luigi pretty much terrorized the 12 pound Shadow. :rolleyes: I think it is important to point out that they are both strictly indoor cats.

Flash ahead to now, they pretty much get a long with an occassional spat. Whereas Shadow hid a lot before, now he comes out quite a bit and plays with us.

Now I guess Luigi has gone into her first heat. She is tearing everyone and everything in the house up. Last night she urinated in my bed, on the bag of groceries I had just set down in the floor, and on my coat this morning. Her litter box is clean, so I attribute this to her coming into heat. She is also really hurting Shadow as they are fighting constantly. Of course, he has no claws to defend himself and is pretty much taking a beating. :( Poor guy, he is looking at her like, "sorry sister, I can't help you!". :p

So, here is my problem. I plan on getting her fixed, but I am also (please don't flame me) considering getting her front declawed. She has always had a huge problem with tearing up furniture, my comforter, and my curtains look like shredded ribbons. I have bought numerous carpet scratching posts, card board scratching boxes, etc. I hold her down once a week and clip her nails and have the scars to prove it, but to no avail. Most importantly, she has always been a very aggressive cat and loves to hide and then attack and bite and scratch me, Pete, and Shadow. This was funny for awhile, but we are pretty much sick of staying scratched up and having to sleep with our doors closed (then she cries, rattles and scratches the doors). :rolleyes:

I guess I am checking around to see if there are any other options. If I am going to get her declawed, I prefer to do it while she is also being spayed as to try to cut it down to one traumatic experience.

Also, the vet just said that she can't be spayed until 10 days after she gets current on her shots and that her heat can last a month! HELP ME! I can't take a month of spraying and fighting. Any advice?
 
Well, there is one way to get her heat to end early but I don't recommend it:

Let her get pregnant.

:hyper:

You're just going to have to tough it out until her vaccinations take effect. You are lucky if your vet is willing to spay her while she is in heat, many won't because of the increased risk of infection.
As far as the declawing goes, if it is a choice between declawing and getting rid of the cat, my vote is for declawing. There are some glue-on fake caps for cats to cover the claws but they don't work very well and some cats can't tolerate them.
 
I don't have much advice, but :hug: !! As for options to declawing - you could try Soft Claws. My boys hated them. But they work on some! Also, try tape (sticky side out), cayanne (sp?) pepper, perfume or tin foil on the furniture she scratches.

As for declawing itself, my vet told me they have a procedure that clips the tendon they use to extend their claws, and supposedly that's more humane than cutting off the knuckle of their toe. I didn't look into it, though, since I didn't want to declaw my boys. I honestly think it would be very difficult to have one declawed and one non - my boys wrestle all the time, too, and they would definitely get hurt if they didn't BOTH have claws!
 
I'm going to bite my tongue here because this is a very, very big pet peeve of mine.

Look into Soft Paws instead (or is it Soft Claws... one of those two)
 

You just decsribed my cat to the tee - although she hasn't bonded with my DS yet. I have no advice - because I have been unable to do anything to solve my problem too. I let her have free reign of a sun porch that we have on our house - she scratches out there. I have put up some bark strips on the corners of our doors - but she has destroyed our wallpaper on wall corners - BUT they do stick to one place after they have started to I have given in and allow her to do it there and there alone. I can rewallpaper those small areas. Nothing else has worked for me. I wish I had declawed when she was little. On another thread of the same topic others suggested a new laser declawing treatment. I don't have the link anymore - but someone here will.
 
i have always had my cat's front paws declawed as soon as they were old enough! i have an 11 year old female...she was fixed before we encountered heat cycles, but we did have a problem with her spraying for a bit...it was very brief. she's always been an indoor cat so i felt that declawing her would be alright. if she were an outdoor cat, i wouldn't have done it. she needs someway to defend herself...

she still acts as if she's clawing up the furniture...but since those front claws are gone, she's not hurting anything!
 
You are obviously trying to do the best by your pets. Kudos. If you are willing to keep the cats inside 100% of the time, as it sounds like you are doing, and you've tried everything else (training, nail trimming, etc.), then declawing may be the way to go.

We've never declawed our cats since keeping their nails trimmed and spritzing them with water when they are scratching a forbidden items seems to do enough to satisfy us. However, I would much rather see someone declaw their cat, keep them inside 100%, and improve their pet/owner relationship than to let things sour so they hate the cat and/or get rid of it.

I can't help much on the heat problem. We've always gotten our animals fixed before we experienced a heat. Sounds to me like you should try to isolate the younger cat to protect your belongings and the other cat. Do you have a heated basement that she could live in temporarily?

Best of luck.
Peggy
 
I dunno. My cat is not a huge scratcher so luckily I don't have this problem. My old cat used to scratch more-- I'd cover his favorite spots on the couch with a throw or something so he wouldn't destroy it.

I won't flame you but I'm absolutely opposed to the idea of declawing and would do anything to avoid it.
 
Pete's Mom,
I have had persians for my whole life. I always get them declawed as soon as they are old enough and they have suffered no ill effects - so don't worry about that. I do have a word of caution for you. Once a cat begins to spray due to being in heat, they may always spray, even after they are spayed. This was the case with my 14 year old blue smoke. She has been dead for 1 year and I still have stuff that smells like her pee!
 
Originally posted by scarlett873
she still acts as if she's clawing up the furniture...but since those front claws are gone, she's not hurting anything!
Shadow does the same thing and it's funny to see! :)

Look, I am not trying to be cruel or lazy and I do hate our things being destroyed but my main concern is for Shadow. It has been 5 months now, and Luigi continues to aggressively attack him. She is much bigger now and pins him down, bites and scratches him to the point that he howls in pain. He tries in vain to fight back, and then to run away, but Luigi will not let up and pursues him all the way through the house. The only way to stop her is if I intervene. Thankfully Pete has appointed himself "Cat Sheriff" and will occassionally nail her with the squirt gun which stops her in her tracks, but unfortunately, we are not always home. I had hoped in time that they would grow used to one another, but now that she is bigger, things have gotten worse especially at night and we are starting to see less and less of Shadow as he pretty much tries to avoid her (no good, she still seeks him out). This started before her heat, so I don't think having her spayed is going to make much of a difference in their relationship. Also, I tried the Soft Paws option before when she was a kitten and I can tell you that she totally wigged out. I put about 3 on and she busted free, tore through the house, she started chewing non stop at her feet. :(

I live in a one level ranch and have no way to isolate her other than to lock her in a small bathroom and I really hate to do that to her.:(

I love my cats and I am really torn on what to do. This is very hard for me. :(
 
Originally posted by peg2001
However, I would much rather see someone declaw their cat, keep them inside 100%, and improve their pet/owner relationship than to let things sour so they hate the cat and/or get rid of it.

Exactly! ITA.
 
When we go our cat declawed, he got depressed. He was an active, playful cat, then, for about three-six months afterward he just layed around and didn't clean himself.

Now, he doesn't seem depressed, but he still isn't the same playful cat he was. I wouldn't do it again, despite at least $5000 worth of damage he had done.
 
I have two cats. Have always had cats. Even if they are declawed they can still defend themselves with their hind legs/feet/claws. I found that my cats 'clawed' at only certain furniture. Usually a chair/sofa that was at the entry point of a room. I was told that this clawing was their way of marking their territory. Perhaps you could spray these 'objects of their attention' with one of the sprays available? I really hate the thought of declawing cats. In fact, one vet I know will not do it for any reason other than a human medical issue such as hemophelia or aids.
 
Originally posted by Pete's Mom
I live in a one level ranch and have no way to isolate her other than to lock her in a small bathroom and I really hate to do that to her.:(

I love my cats and I am really torn on what to do. This is very hard for me. :(

I'm so sorry. We do have a similar situation with a younger more fiesty cat terrorizing our precious elderly cat. We break it up when we are home and try to make sure the older cat has places to hide out. We also show her extra love and hold her a lot.

I loved your story about Pete acting as "cat sheriff" because my DD4 also runs to break up the scuffles.

Peggy
 
Originally posted by goofy4tink
I have two cats. Have always had cats. Even if they are declawed they can still defend themselves with their hind legs/feet/claws. I found that my cats 'clawed' at only certain furniture. Usually a chair/sofa that was at the entry point of a room. I was told that this clawing was their way of marking their territory. Perhaps you could spray these 'objects of their attention' with one of the sprays available? I really hate the thought of declawing cats. In fact, one vet I know will not do it for any reason other than a human medical issue such as hemophelia or aids.
Unfortunately, Luigi claws at everything and everyone. From the soap in the shower, couches, clothes, front door, rugs, people, etc. :( I really love this cat and have been toughing it out, hoping that she would change but now I have some tough choices to make.

So far a Shadow defending himself, he tries to flip on his back and kick her with his back feet, but she digs her claws into him and holds him down while she bites at his neck. I swear to you that she CHEWED his thick nylon collar off the other day! :eek:

Perhaps I will have her spayed first and see if that calms her down. Not really sure at this point. She jumped on Pete while he slept the other night and scratched his face in several spots. He is, of course, crushed and doesn't know why she is acting this way and I think 7 is too young to discuss going the "going into heat" discussion. :o
 
Originally posted by peg2001
I'm so sorry. We do have a similar situation with a younger more fiesty cat terrorizing our precious elderly cat. We break it up when we are home and try to make sure the older cat has places to hide out. We also show her extra love and hold her a lot.

I loved your story about Pete acting as "cat sheriff" because my DD4 also runs to break up the scuffles.

Peggy
The second we pick Shadow up and try to love on him, here comes Luigi. It's frustrating. :mad:

Pete is so funny. He talks to Luigi like she is a little kid who can understand him. :o He put her in time-out last night in the bathroom. :teeth:
 
I have no advice, both of my cats are fixed and have their claws. Good luck to you and your kitties. Cali was a stray, Simba was with us for 2 years before Cali showed up at our doorstep. He still enjoys terrorizing her now and then,:teeth:
 
Originally posted by Pete's Mom
She jumped on Pete while he slept the other night and scratched his face in several spots.
:eek: :eek: More then enough reason to declaw the cat!
 
My Snoopy is front-declawed and never had any ill-effects. She is indoors only. She was also spayed as soon as she was deemed old enough by the vet (can't remember her age at this point). Sorry, can't help with the heat issue.
 
Wow, I feel bad for you. I can tell by your posts you really are torn. I have a 10 year old cat and he is declawed. I felt horrible when I did it but he was killing me (even out of love) and destroying clothes and furniture. For me it really worked out... I know it is not the most humane thing. I really tried not to think about that. I wanted him to be a part of our family and we all were afraid to hold/ pet him. After we declawed him, he is definately part of our family. I know it is a personal problem but I now know that my kids are safer (he sometimes gets them with his back claws, but they usually deserve it LOL!) Now our dog and cat play all day. I think our cat is happier because he now gets more (positive) attention. Good Luck with your decision... keep us posted.
 










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