Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

[Mosoh]

Add me to the list of those who think today was a day for the state. I have to wonder if those who think the state had a bad day watched the same trial as I did, or if they were inibriated. Spitz, IMO, is out of touch - he admitted himself he has been out of the "scene" for a while and he also appeared to be fame seeking...always going after big cases in the news. Those issues, plus stating the tape had been put on the skull long after decomp = ridiculous. Jury will see through it and I hope Bozo gets held in contempt.

I was inebriated and I agree with you

Even before the cross I posted he didn't hurt the State

After cross I understand there was no tape on the skull but it was definately placed on the skull after decomposition

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

ITA! Padilla is an attention hound first and foremost, and I think the prosecutors know that putting him on the stand would do more harm than good. I also watched that Fox special and Padilla's theory actually sounds plausible to me.

What was his theory?

Also--does anyone believe him when he says someone took him to the Anthony's and that it wasn't his idea. For some odd reason, I don't think he was as gentleman as he sounds. (that he told the lady it was a bad idea, etc)

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I will never buy that Casey put Caylee in the trunk in June in Florida NOT expecting her to die, if she did in fact put her in the trunk after chloroforming her. I could actually buy a story that ICaylee drowned in the pool and Casey (without George there) panicked and hid her body. But all this other stuff...no.

I think it is plausible if she did it at night. She could have been thinking that once the sun went down, the dangers went away with it.

I don't recall the time stamp of her BB visit...but it is plausible. But then again, her movie choices seem odd choices in that case. Those seem more like to have provided the idea.


And I recall my dad telling me he left me in a car when I was 3 years old to attend a function. I have no memory of this--so it was definitely before I was old enough to remember something crazy like that. And my dad has no issue with it. He relishes in the fact that it was the first time I tried Venison as he brought me out some to eat. For some reason, between the hunted deer and this being in the sticks, I don't really appreciate the story as "things were different back then". Gives me thoughts of Texas Chainsaw Massacre instead. Granted, he didn't leave me in the trunk.

So I do think Leonard's theory is totally possible since it is the sun that turns the car into an oven. She may have thought that nighttime wouldn't have been that big of a deal. Most deaths occur in daytime, if I am not mistaken.

 

[momrek06]

Ok, all these theories over and over again, why doesn't CA just (darn it) tell us what HAPPENED???
CA is sitting there day after day, the State spending all this money on this trial and this whole investigation. To me, it is just absolutely disturbing that she isn't given a lie detector exam and the examiner will ask ALL THE RIGHT questions and then we can have our answer as to what really really happened to that Baby Doll, Caylee.
CA is loving this. Someone up thread or on Thread 2 stated that she will come out with a book, a made for tv movie, etc etc … makes me sick.

 

[momrek06]

I heard this the other night on JVM.



While photos of evidence, expert witness testimony and details of Casey Anthony's private life unfold in her first-degree-murder case, some of our viewers have asked who provides her clothes, makeup and lunch during trial.

Q: Who supplies the clothes Casey wears at trial?

A: Her defense team is responsible for selecting her wardrobe, although her family could provide her attorneys with garments as well. All clothing is screened for contraband at the jail, then handed to the inmate in the courthouse holding cell, where she can change.


Q: Is she allowed to wear makeup in court?

A: Yes, but only makeup purchased through the jail's commissary. Her latest purchase report shows she bought two black eyebrow pencils ($1.45 each) and mascara ($1.35) on June 2. The only other available cosmetic at the commissary is lipstick ($1.25).

Q: Who cuts her hair?

A: She does her own hair. Because she is under protective custody — meaning she is not allowed to have contact with other inmates — jail officials allow her to snip her hair with clippers (not scissors) while a corrections officer supervises. Regular inmates usually cut each other's hair with clippers.

Q: What does she eat during meal breaks at the courthouse?

A: The jail supplies all inmates appearing in court with a bag lunch that includes two sandwiches filled with deli cuts and cheese; a serving of fruit; cookies; and a beverage in a carton. Inmates are not allowed to eat anything other than what the jail provides.

 

[ilovepete]

I was inebriated and I agree with you

Even before the cross I posted he didn't hurt the State

After cross I understand there was no tape on the skull but it was definately placed on the skull after decomposition

You think the tape was placed on the skull after it was skeletonized? Just want to make sure I am understanding that right.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I think it is plausible if she did it at night. She could have been thinking that once the sun went down, the dangers went away with it.

They were AT Blockbuster before 8 PM. Still light out. I don't think even Casey was that stupid to put Caylee in the TRUNK of a car and think everything would OK. I think Caylee was already dead by then and Casey was well on her way to "The Beautiful Life".

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Ok, all these theories over and over again, why doesn't CA just (darn it) tell us what HAPPENED???
CA is sitting there day after day, the State spending all this money on this trial and this whole investigation. To me, it is just absolutely disturbing that she isn't given a lie detector exam and the examiner will ask ALL THE RIGHT questions and then we can have our answer as to what really really happened to that Baby Doll, Caylee.
CA is loving this. Someone up thread or on Thread 2 stated that she will come out with a book, a made for tv movie, etc etc … makes me sick.

I dont think she can be forced. Results are indamissable in court.

It is also possible, given that she is a possible sociopath and is a pathological liar, that she could lie and still pass with flying colors.

 

[Kurby]

Ok, all these theories over and over again, why doesn't CA just (darn it) tell us what HAPPENED???
CA is sitting there day after day, the State spending all this money on this trial and this whole investigation. To me, it is just absolutely disturbing that she isn't given a lie detector exam and the examiner will ask ALL THE RIGHT questions and then we can have our answer as to what really really happened to that Baby Doll, Caylee.
CA is loving this. Someone up thread or on Thread 2 stated that she will come out with a book, a made for tv movie, etc etc … makes me sick.

well a lie detector - other then being inadmissible also wouldn't work in this case.

casey believes her lies and unlike you and i when confronted by authority we show signs of deception - with casey she believes so much in her own lies that her heart rate wouldn't go up and she woulnd't start sweating. things the lie detector looks for.

cops are trained to spot lies and prob did a better job then a machine that is only looking for deceptive signs in the body not bogus information.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I was inebriated and I agree with you

Even before the cross I posted he didn't hurt the State

After cross I understand there was no tape on the skull but it was definately placed on the skull after decomposition

LOL I'm not sure I get which point you're making.

Ok, all these theories over and over again, why doesn't CA just (darn it) tell us what HAPPENED???

I know! I hate that we'll probably never know. I hate RL, unsolved mysteries. At this point, I'd rather just know the truth (the TRUTH truth) about exactly what happened, than have any particular outcome of the case.

I heard this the other night on JVM.

While photos of evidence, expert witness testimony and details of Casey Anthony's private life unfold in her first-degree-murder case, some of our viewers have asked who provides her clothes, makeup and lunch during trial.

Q: Who supplies the clothes Casey wears at trial?

A: Her defense team is responsible for selecting her wardrobe, although her family could provide her attorneys with garments as well. All clothing is screened for contraband at the jail, then handed to the inmate in the courthouse holding cell, where she can change.

Q: Is she allowed to wear makeup in court?

A: Yes, but only makeup purchased through the jail's commissary. Her latest purchase report shows she bought two black eyebrow pencils ($1.45 each) and mascara ($1.35) on June 2. The only other available cosmetic at the commissary is lipstick ($1.25).

Q: Who cuts her hair?

A: She does her own hair. Because she is under protective custody — meaning she is not allowed to have contact with other inmates — jail officials allow her to snip her hair with clippers (not scissors) while a corrections officer supervises. Regular inmates usually cut each other's hair with clippers.

Q: What does she eat during meal breaks at the courthouse?

A: The jail supplies all inmates appearing in court with a bag lunch that includes two sandwiches filled with deli cuts and cheese; a serving of fruit; cookies; and a beverage in a carton. Inmates are not allowed to eat anything other than what the jail provides.

Is she allowed to have tweezers? Or is she pulling eyebrows out with her fingers?

You think the tape was placed on the skull after it was skeletonized? Just want to make sure I am understanding that right.

As far as a lie detector test, I think she could pass with flying colors, she lies so easily.

Here are the sunset times for Florida in June 2008, just because I found this site and think it's neat.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=867&month=6&year=2008&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

They were AT Blockbuster before 8 PM. Still light out. I don't think even Casey was that stupid to put Caylee in the TRUNK of a car and think everything would OK. I think Caylee was already dead by then and Casey was well on her way to "The Beautiful Life".

I still think I is plausible due to timing. If she were there at noon, I would agree it would be implausible.


I don't necessarily agree with the theory--just that it is plausible.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I still think I is plausible due to timing. If she were there at noon, I would agree it would be implausible.

I don't necessarily agree with the theory--just that it is plausible.

So you're saying that at the time she put Caylee in the trunk before going to Tony's that she expected to get her out alive at some later point?

 

[LisaR]

I think it is plausible if she did it at night. She could have been thinking that once the sun went down, the dangers went away with it.

I don't recall the time stamp of her BB visit...but it is plausible. But then again, her movie choices seem odd choices in that case. Those seem more like to have provided the idea.


And I recall my dad telling me he left me in a car when I was 3 years old to attend a function. I have no memory of this--so it was definitely before I was old enough to remember something crazy like that. And my dad has no issue with it. He relishes in the fact that it was the first time I tried Venison as he brought me out some to eat. For some reason, between the hunted deer and this being in the sticks, I don't really appreciate the story as "things were different back then". Gives me thoughts of Texas Chainsaw Massacre instead. Granted, he didn't leave me in the trunk.

So I do think Leonard's theory is totally possible since it is the sun that turns the car into an oven. She may have thought that nighttime wouldn't have been that big of a deal. Most deaths occur in daytime, if I am not mistaken.

I know her movie choice was questionable but I watch some pretty bizarre things myself. I also look at missing children websites. Thanks to the trial, I now have chloroform and porn searches on my computer. Because I like to watch documentaries and murder mysteries, I tend to Google things about the cases or the criminals themselves so I'm pretty sure my internet searches would be questionable. My DVR and Netflix queue would add to the circumstantial evidence. I don't think I am that unusual either. I have many friends that are into the same things. It isn't an issue unless we murder someone but does that mean we had a plan all along?

I am just not sure I can buy premeditation in this case. I needed the state to prove to me that Caylee was a burden to Casey and I don't feel they did. Friends and family claim she loved that little girl and since I didn't know her personally, I have to go with their assessment. Casey had built in babysitters, so again, I am not seeing the burden issue.

I believe the chloroform searches were for her own pleasure. I know some of her pictures were raunchy, but aside from that one, I likely had some very similar pictures taken of myself and my friends when we were that age. Thank God we didn't have the internet back then. We partied frequently and we did the stupid pictures with our tongues hanging out, hanging all over each other, holding shot glasses up, etc. Some of us may have skipped classes to spend a day in bed with a boyfriend or to recover from the night before. We never went on to kill anyone.

What I am saying is that I don't think partying, boyfriends, drugs, and drinking in a college town by college aged young adults is that unusual. While everyone might not behave that way, I don't think her behavior automatically means that Caylee was a burden so she killed her. I knew a few people with kids when I was in college that partied all the time and managed to not kill their kids.

Based on the multitude of phone calls Casey made on Caylee's last day, I believe Casey killed her to spite her mother after a heated argument. I do not buy into the sexual abuse theory at all. Her bizarre behavior following Caylee's death will always haunt me and this is what makes think it wasn't an accident but a way to show her mother that she was in charge and making the rules.

Obviously, these opinions are mine and I admit I could be way off base. I wish we could find out the truth but I am 99.999% sure that we never will. And if she did attempt to tell the truth, I doubt we could believe her anyway.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So you're saying that at the time she put Caylee in the trunk before going to Tony's that she expected to get her out alive at some later point?

Me? No.

I don't buy that she meant anything other than to kill Caylee. I am open that other theories could be plausible. Since Casey didn't say it--it is possible. Plausible, in my mind doesn't mean that is what happened or in the case of this drowning fairy tale spin--that it is reasonable.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If she did it to spite her mother--it is premeditation. Again, it doesn't have to be shown for premeditated murder.

They did show she benefitted personally from Caylee's absence.


Also--when I suggest that I believe something could be plausible, I am not of the opinion that is what actually happened.

I know her movie choice was questionable but I watch some pretty bizarre things myself. I also look at missing children websites. Thanks to the trial, I now have chloroform and porn searches on my computer. Because I like to watch documentaries and murder mysteries, I tend to Google things about the cases or the criminals themselves so I'm pretty sure my internet searches would be questionable. My DVR and Netflix queue would add to the circumstantial evidence. I don't think I am that unusual either. I have many friends that are into the same things. It isn't an issue unless we murder someone but does that mean we had a plan all along?

I am just not sure I can buy premeditation in this case. I needed the state to prove to me that Caylee was a burden to Casey and I don't feel they did. Friends and family claim she loved that little girl and since I didn't know her personally, I have to go with their assessment. Casey had built in babysitters, so again, I am not seeing the burden issue.

I believe the chloroform searches were for her own pleasure. I know some of her pictures were raunchy, but aside from that one, I likely had some very similar pictures taken of myself and my friends when we were that age. Thank God we didn't have the internet back then. We partied frequently and we did the stupid pictures with our tongues hanging out, hanging all over each other, holding shot glasses up, etc. Some of us may have skipped classes to spend a day in bed with a boyfriend or to recover from the night before. We never went on to kill anyone.

What I am saying is that I don't think partying, boyfriends, drugs, and drinking in a college town by college aged young adults is that unusual. While everyone might not behave that way, I don't think her behavior automatically means that Caylee was a burden so she killed her. I knew a few people with kids when I was in college that partied all the time and managed to not kill their kids.

Based on the multitude of phone calls Casey made on Caylee's last day, I believe Casey killed her to spite her mother after a heated argument. I do not buy into the sexual abuse theory at all. Her bizarre behavior following Caylee's death will always haunt me and this is what makes think it wasn't an accident but a way to show her mother that she was in charge and making the rules.

Obviously, these opinions are mine and I admit I could be way off base. I wish we could find out the truth but I am 99.999% sure that we never will. And if she did attempt to tell the truth, I doubt we could believe her anyway.

 

[jeanadave]

Didn't get to see Spitz testimony until last night. He looked as old as Methusaleh! I know he's "famous", but good grief!

He may have scored a few points and brought up some legitimate questions, but from not remembering discussing this case on Today Show and 48 Hours, to falling asleep before he had a chance to watch himself on another interview to see what he'd said, to admitting he's been out of the "mainstream" for some time, to basically calling something "protocol" because he said so, to house analogies, to not testing the oh-so-important brain dust because he didn't have a toxicologist (oh come on!), to accusing the ME/staff of staging evidence (yet again, oh come on!), to cracking the skull and not realizing it, to not recognizing some book that HE contributed articles to, to trying to fold a handkerchief to approximate hair on the skull (which, for some reason, I found very ), to trying to put his representative skull back together (it did had have one of them "new-fangled" spring mechanisms on it, so maybe that wasn't his fault).

I'm by no means trying to make fun of his age. I certainly don't think just because you are elderly, you should just sit back and let life pass you by, but at 83/84/85????, methinks it's about time he wrapped this particular phase of his life up. He might have been the cat's meow in the forensic world when he was a younger whippersnapper, but I just don't see where he would have much credibility at this stage.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Me? No.

I don't buy that she meant anything other than to kill Caylee. I am open that other theories could be plausible. Since Casey didn't say it--it is possible. Plausible, in my mind doesn't mean that is what happened or in the case of this drowning fairy tale spin--that it is reasonable.

Oh, I know, not you, but just trying to understand the theory out there...that she put Caylee in the trunk expecting her to come out alive. Now I can't even remember where back in the thread this discussion started. We've been celebrating DH's birthday, Father's Day (and Mother's Day! Got a belated gift that was "in production") in between reading and posting here!

 

[LisaR]

If she did it to spite her mother--it is premeditation. Again, it doesn't have to be shown for premeditated murder.

They did show she benefitted personally from Caylee's absence.


Also--when I suggest that I believe something could be plausible, I am not of the opinion that is what actually happened.

It may fit the textbook definition of premeditation (not sure, I am not up on the law) but I am saying I don't believe the states version of premeditation. I don't *think* the chloroform searches were meant for Caylee and I don't think the website searches were related. Who needs to research how to break a child's neck? She is a tiny little toddler. The only use I find in the website searches is that she was plotting a way to kill her parents or to frame her parents. I also don't think watching a murderous movie with her boyfriend spurred her on. I think she got into it with her mom, did the deed without thinking, panicked, tried to reach her parents multiple times and when they didn't answer she went into Narcissistic Casey mode.

 

[ilovepete]

The jury hasn't seen any evidence that she was in conflict with her mom, though, right?

 

[Wadecool]

well a lie detector - other then being inadmissible also wouldn't work in this case.

casey believes her lies and unlike you and i when confronted by authority we show signs of deception - with casey she believes so much in her own lies that her heart rate wouldn't go up and she woulnd't start sweating. things the lie detector looks for.

cops are trained to spot lies and prob did a better job then a machine that is only looking for deceptive signs in the body not bogus information.

To quote George Costanza in a Seinfeld episode, "just remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it."