Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Thank you for typing (or copy/pasting) this up! You rock and JA rocks.

Watching HLN right now and they have the question "what do you think of Jose Baez?". They put it on the goofiest photo of Baez. It isn't his usual smirk, but the dorkiest smile.

JA on the attack!!

Gets Witness says that body moved during the early stages of decay

How many days does it take to go thru early stages of decay==Witness basically says no clue

Avg temp minus Minimum base temp--determines what accumulated degree
temperature is

2 days at 90 degrees AT--would be 180 degrees ADT

Witness says how long before body moved to Suburban was within 2 or 3 days of death based on current temperature of 95 degrees

And that body consistent with having been at site since that time

Body was moved late in feeding stage of maggots-early maggots had left the body already or maggots were removed from the body then body transported or body placed into bags then moved

JA asks if he's forgetting 4th reason and that if body may have been inaccessible--Witness says it had to have been accessible at some time

JA holds up pig picture and asked how long the bugs took to appear--Witness says they don't appear all at once

Witness asked to read from Haskells report about early bug colonizers---reduced # of colonizers was in an area where colonizers would be excluded-- JA asks Do you take issue with what Haskell says?

Witness says Depends on environmental conditions--JA is anything different about environmental conditions--Witness ..no

JA Would place body held smell...it would stink---Witness yes
JA you wouldn't be able to get the stink out---Yes
JA you can't clean it out you can't get it out--Yes
JA smell of decomp is recognizable--Yes

When you examined Sunfire-- did you examine it in July 2010 more than 2 years after--the liner had been removed--garbage had been removed

SIDEBAR called by JB


Back from Sidebar

JA when you examined the trunk it smelled right--yes could've been garbage
JA when would you think garbage would still smell 2 years later--dont leave garbage in trunk


When were you hired--Dec 2009
JA when did you do this experiment--Sep 2010
JA did you do this experiment for the defense--No
JA discuss with defense you were going to do this experiment--yes
Witness says he did this for himself not specifically modeled on this case
JA how many cases have you worked on case with a body in the trunk--None
JA so all this experimenting has no bearing
JA how many cases involve children--None
how many cases involve children wrapped in blankets--None
how many cases involve children wrapped in blankets stuffed in garbage bags--None
how many cases involve children wrapped in blankets stuffed in garbage bags
stuffed in a laundry bag--None

JA why didn't you wrap your pigs in a blanket--LOL

JA you only included 1 barrier--Witness says even if he did that flies would still have penetrated trunk
JA did any of the studies you looked at have bodies wrapped up--Witness yes1 case it involved a homicide(Snicker..lol)

JA you just told the jury based on that 1 study that bugs couldn't get to the body--Witness sorry not my intent to do that

JA have you done any experiments on chloroform with bugs--No
JA chloroform used to kill bugs right--Yes
JA if chloroform in trunk what affect would it have on early colonizers--Don't know but level would have to be high
JA if you change the air you change the attraction for the bugs--Bugs would still be attracted
JA you acknowledge theres no study that youre basing that on--I find it unlikely what youre suggesting
JA what I'm suggesting is that the chemical content was changed and you just dont know what if any affect that would have do you--Flies dont smell odor the same way you and I do..changing the content of the air the chmicals..you would have to replace the volatiles the flys are attracted to to change their attractivness
JA you will acknowledge there is no study on this--yes


JA paper towels...what was on them---I dont know
JA you never read a report?--witness refers to report..fatty acids such as the ones detected indicated adopecere
JA any reason to dispute the findings--No
JA tell the jury what it is--decomposition
JA would flies be attracted--yes
JA but you think the were attracted to tobaco spit-I don't know if spit was a "liitle bit" the presence of flies on paper towels not something youd expect to find if towels had adopocere
JA showing pic of container of spit

Witness says 4 or 5 cans were used as a spitoon
JA asks how you can tell from this photo
Witness says he cant he has a photo of the tops of the cans

Ja says well we have those items here and proceeds to rip open a box with the cans in it!!!

 

[irishbosoxfan]

It's typed--lol

I was just reading something about KC texting today?!?! For anyone rewatching the trial can you keep an eye out for that. They said she has the phone in the binder.

Just got news that I will be with you guys on Tuesday My surgery has been postponed because the anesthesiologist wants me to see a cardiologist for all new testing prior to surgery to make sure I can make it thru.

Stinks because I've waited years for this surgery and have been nervously anticipating it. For it to be squashed just days before it happens has me upset.


Just noticed I have the date he was hired wrong in the above quote--that should say December 2008 NOT 2009

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So someone please tell me if I am wrong with this assumption:

Casey has Caylee's body in her trunk. It starts to decomposs and the smell is overwhelming. She realizes she has to cover up the smell. She says to boyfriend or friends in his apartment that she will take the garbage out. Instead of throwing it in a dumpster, she puts it in her trunk to allow it to cover up the "dead body" smell. Her hopes being that if they found her car with the garbage in the back it would account for the bad smell.

Am I far off in my thinking?

Great Theory!

Also--I often notice people putting trash on top of the trunk...not IN it. Yuck! Makes sense that it was to cover up smell.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

hLN Person on JvM....bug guy did testify that body HAD to have been moved to the site. Well DUH!!!!! Poor Caylee started decomping in the car.

Also--car still smelled Linda dead body TWO years later. Person #7.

And the kidnapper phone guy did not have the cell phone number until Feb 2009. OOOPS! Does Baez actually have a competent staff?

(sorry if already mentioned---this is likes soap opera and I don't want to read the spoilers. I post and then back up to wear I was. )

 

[CurlyGirl]

Question ... can/will Vasco Thompson sue whomever is responsible for dragging him into this without having correct information on who the phone number belonged to? Thompson said he didn't have the number until Feb. 2009 and the calls were made in July 2008.

And who would he sue? The attorney (Baez? GA's attorney?) Certainly not GA because GA didn't look up those phone records, etc. himself. Anyone have any idea?

Sorry but that guy (just like Zenieda Gonzales) deserve some compensation for what they were put through by ICA and/or ICA's counsel.

 

[Nancy]

How come Cheney and Baez BOTH need to go up for a sidebar? The state never needs to send two people up there. Of course, the state doesn't have an idiot like Baez on their size. I guess I just answered my own question!

oh, and theory on his texting...he is asking people the answers to his questions.

No problem! Unlike many people, I am trying to look at the case from a purely academic standpoint. I guess I have been so inundated with info and pictures from the beginning, that I am just over it. To me, it is just a sad case, like so many others. I am not letting emotion play a part in my evaluation of the trial proceedings.

I think people on this thread are so caught up in the sadness of the situation and the hatred toward Casey that they can't be objective. I know I'll get flamed for this statement, but I feel it is true. I understand where they are coming from, but I really think they are letting their emotions cloud how they interpret things.

Having said that, I am much more emotionally invested in more recent cases. Today, they announced that the parents of two children in this area were sentenced for aggravated child abuse. The children didn't die, but they were starved and beaten to the point of scars. The parents got two years. Our justice system is messed up!

I agree with that.

I try very hard to listen to this with an open mind..but the more I listen, the more I am sure she did it with no help from anyone. I did the same with OJ..I went back and forth with guilty/not guilty. His defense team did a much better job of presenting reasonable doubt. By the end I did think he was guilty. Thought the whole glove thing was just an act..he was NOT that good of an actor. LOL.

Jury selection and voir dire is for just that! I know I would have never been allowed to be on that jury and I wouldn't want to be because frankly, it wouldn't be fair to the defendant. But on this board, I get state my opinions based on a lot more facts and information than the jury will see!

I also think Casey is very lucky to have this judge. He is as cool and fair as they come.

oh yeah, just think if this was the idiot from the anna nicole smith circus

I truly believe that she does deserve a fair trial. No one knows for sure how this jury is thinking. I see this from the point of a 31 day of not reporting her child. If Caseys mom had no been so insistent in finding out where Caylee was who knows how long before this would have been discovered. You can only put off lies for so long. I am greatful that Cindy took the initiative and called the police, but after making Casey get on the phone with the police she was as cool as a cucumber and so somber just the same way she is acting in court.


Unfortunatley this man on the stand is in the midodle of all this stuff never expecting any of this. He may reconsider his position. I am sure Baez is not happy today either. But Mr. Ashton did what he needed to do. And that rendered a whole different response from the man. But I am glad for everyones opinion and can discuss it with everyone. It is really awesome to learn alot from other people that someone else may not have thought of. Thank you everyone for this discussion on here.

Could you just imagine how long this could have gone on with her...she would have just kept making excuses..and most likely would have just disappeared herself.

 

[ugadog99]

Color me confused, but wouldn't you want to put an expert on who HAD replicated the same conditions? Because if the conditions aren't the same, then wouldn't the results be different?

That's what I thought all day. It's comparing apples and oranges, or in this case Florida/Nebraska and pig/small child. Makes no sense to me, and if I were on a jury I wouldn't put stock in his testimony at all.

 

[CurlyGirl]

It's typed--lol

I was just reading something about KC texting today?!?! For anyone rewatching the trial can you keep an eye out for that. They said she has the phone in the binder.

Baez was texting in court today. Did not hear anything about ICA texting, though.

 

[ugadog99]

Like I said I could be so wrong, there has been so much testimony I cant keep it straight. Thats bad my head is spinning. I better check myself before I dont know what is what.

I'm pretty sure Dr. Vass is the one who made that comment.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I'm pretty sure Dr. Vass is the one who made that comment.

Thanks.

 

[LisaR]

I try very hard to listen to this with an open mind..but the more I listen, the more I am sure she did it with no help from anyone. I did the same with OJ..I went back and forth with guilty/not guilty. His defense team did a much better job of presenting reasonable doubt. By the end I did think he was guilty. Thought the whole glove thing was just an act..he was NOT that good of an actor. LOL.

I really try hard to keep an open mind too, but the ridiculousness of it makes it so hard. I would have been very open to an accident and a panicked mother but when you throw in all the other crap, it is hard for me to keep an open mind.

I really am interested to see where Baez goes with all this. I want some good evidence that would indicate why a sexually abused young woman would leave her child in the care of her abuser. I would also like to know where Baez thinks the body was for the first few days if not in the trunk. I can't imagine George and Cindy, who have done nothing but defend and cover up for their daughter, would have admitted the car smelled like a dead body if it didn't.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Someone had mentioned back on the old thread that they were watching and there was a split screen with Casey on it all the time. That's not HLN is it, cause apparently I'm missing some of her faces.

It was shown on Vinnie's show and was not life. So if HLN doesn't do split screen, they pulled it from some place else.

 

[Feralpeg]

Flamed? No. But because your opinion is different from others on this thread, or you have a different approach, we're all emotional and hate filled and not "academically" interested in the case?

And you keep saying you're over this case, and yet out of everyone, I think you're one of the few who has posted on the thread from 3 years ago, all 3 of these threads, and the "why Casey Anthony" thread, where you argued why the Casey Anthony case shouldn't get this much attention, yet you're doing it yourself, as I said, on 5 different threads. I get having a different opinion, but why bring in trying to trivialize other's opinions here?

Whatever. You're welcome to your opinion. Just don't see basically the putdown of most people here.

I am not trying to trivialize any one's opinion. I said I understand where you are coming from. I just see nothing on this thread that ever gives any sort of pass to the defense. Baez is referred to as Bozo. No matter what he says or does, he is stupid. I don't agree with everything he does, but he is trying to do his job. Yet, everything the state does is great. From this, I got the message that, emotionally, people on this thread are so vested in the case against Casey that they will never admit to anything that could point to anything positive presented by the defense.

When I say that I am looking at it from an academic position, I am simply trying to say that I only care about the mechanics of the case. In the end, my opinion on her guilt or innocence means nothing. I am not the one who will be deciding.

Am I interested in the case? Absolutely! I just don't hate anyone over it. Sorry. I realize that it is an unpopular stance. There has not been a single day in the past three years that I haven't had to hear about this case. So, I guess I have been over saturated and just don't care enough to hate anyone.

I will now depart from this thread. While I've been told that other viewpoints are welcome here, when I post something from another viewpoint, I feel like I am very unwelcome. I don't want to rain on any one's parade.

For the record, I do think Casey is guilty.

 

[plutotek]

make mine a virgin - 4 weeks to go before i pop this baby out

ok - how did my virgin drink post come before Dnoyes's offer to buy drinks.????

Been a long week folks. First round is on me

This is freaky....I think Kurby is controlling dnoyes mind, but instead of that psychic handwriting thing, she's making you type things.

 

[CurlyGirl]

How the heck did Casey come up with Zenaida Gonzales as a name? I'd love to know that. I mean, it's not like she chose a common first and last name like "Kate Smith".

I get that Zanny was probably short for Xanax ... but to come up with Zenieda? Unless that's a more common name in Florida? And Gonzales I'd think for hispanic/cuban roots which is heavy in FL.

But still, it's such an unusual name/combination and I'd love to know how she came up with that! Did she have a friend named Zenaida and date some guy with the last name Gonzales, so she put the two together or what!? Kind of an odd choice.

Sorry -- just one thing I'm curious about and don't really have anyone to bounce my crazy ICA thoughts on.

 

[woodkins]

here's a question.

decomposing bodies stink - sooo anyone wonder why they don't at a funeral or in the cemetery?

is it because they are almost always embalmed? with all this talk i'm starting to wonder why cemeteries don't attract all these flies and such and they entire place doesn't smell really really bad.

Caskets are sealed and then are placed in a cement box when they are buried.

I am not trying to trivialize any one's opinion. I said I understand where you are coming from. I just see nothing on this thread that ever gives any sort of pass to the defense. Baez is referred to as Bozo. No matter what he says or does, he is stupid. I don't agree with everything he does, but he is trying to do his job. Yet, everything the state does is great. From this, I got the message that, emotionally, people on this thread are so vested in the case against Casey that they will never admit to anything that could point to anything positive presented by the defense.

When I say that I am looking at it from an academic position, I am simply trying to say that I only care about the mechanics of the case. In the end, my opinion on her guilt or innocence means nothing. I am not the one who will be deciding.

Am I interested in the case? Absolutely! I just don't hate anyone over it. Sorry. I realize that it is an unpopular stance. There has not been a single day in the past three years that I haven't had to hear about this case. So, I guess I have been over saturated and just don't care enough to hate anyone.

I will now depart from this thread. While I've been told that other viewpoints are welcome here, when I post something from another viewpoint, I feel like I am very unwelcome. I don't want to rain on any one's parade.

For the record, I do think Casey is guilty.

Well, the majority of the people on this thread are in favor of the prosecution, and therefor will criticize the opponenet (the defense) more often than not. If you are watching the media coverage of this case you surely have noticed that the majority of the commentators are saying that Baez is making a joke of himself and tripping over his own two feet.

Just because the bulk of this thread are posters who are criticizing and or poking fun at Baez and his team doesn't mean that we as posters are being unwelcoming, flaming or trivializing toward your opinions, we simply don't agree. When you are in a minority opinion it may often feel like you are unwelcome or trivialized, but that simply is not the case. The fact of the matter is that your opinion is outnumbered by those who disagree.

I am actually surprised at how civil and friendly these threads have remained in light of the controversy and media coverage this trial is having.

 

[diznygirl]

I am not trying to trivialize any one's opinion. I said I understand where you are coming from. I just see nothing on this thread that ever gives any sort of pass to the defense. Baez is referred to as Bozo. No matter what he says or does, he is stupid. I don't agree with everything he does, but he is trying to do his job. Yet, everything the state does is great. From this, I got the message that, emotionally, people on this thread are so vested in the case against Casey that they will never admit to anything that could point to anything positive presented by the defense.

When I say that I am looking at it from an academic position, I am simply trying to say that I only care about the mechanics of the case. In the end, my opinion on her guilt or innocence means nothing. I am not the one who will be deciding.

Am I interested in the case? Absolutely! I just don't hate anyone over it. Sorry. I realize that it is an unpopular stance. There has not been a single day in the past three years that I haven't had to hear about this case. So, I guess I have been over saturated and just don't care enough to hate anyone.

I will now depart from this thread. While I've been told that other viewpoints are welcome here, when I post something from another viewpoint, I feel like I am very unwelcome. I don't want to rain on any one's parade.

For the record, I do think Casey is guilty.

Is it possible that Baez actually IS a bozo, and the prosecution IS doing great?

 

[usnuzuloose]

This is freaky....I think Kurby is controlling dnoyes mind, but instead of that psychic handwriting thing, she's making you type things.

Yes it has been a long week, but drink? I hyavent eaten dinner yet.

 

[kidshop]

So were there dead flies/maggots in the trunk or not? After all that testimony I still don't know.

I have no idea, but it really doesn't matter LOL! The car stunk like a dead body and 7 people and 2 dogs have confirmed it.

There was a dead body in that trunk, no question.

 

[dnoyes]

I am not trying to trivialize any one's opinion. I said I understand where you are coming from. I just see nothing on this thread that ever gives any sort of pass to the defense. Baez is referred to as Bozo. No matter what he says or does, he is stupid. I don't agree with everything he does, but he is trying to do his job. Yet, everything the state does is great. From this, I got the message that, emotionally, people on this thread are so vested in the case against Casey that they will never admit to anything that could point to anything positive presented by the defense.

When I say that I am looking at it from an academic position, I am simply trying to say that I only care about the mechanics of the case. In the end, my opinion on her guilt or innocence means nothing. I am not the one who will be deciding.

Am I interested in the case? Absolutely! I just don't hate anyone over it. Sorry. I realize that it is an unpopular stance. There has not been a single day in the past three years that I haven't had to hear about this case. So, I guess I have been over saturated and just don't care enough to hate anyone.

I will now depart from this thread. While I've been told that other viewpoints are welcome here, when I post something from another viewpoint, I feel like I am very unwelcome. I don't want to rain on any one's parade.

For the record, I do think Casey is guilty.

Another great post.

Please don't leave me here all alone.