Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[CurlyGirl]

(August 2008) Article wherein the pool theory is reported on.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17136493/detail.html

A quote by Lee from the article:

Lee was asked if he thought his sister was being truthful.

"To the best of her ability right now, I do," he said.

Call me crazy, but that's kind of a strange answer.

This tells me that Casey has a record of being less than truthful ...

Why would he answer a yes or no question that way? Makes you wonder, huh?

ETA - it's 1:20 EST and I need to stop obsessing over this trial for the night and get some sleep!

 

[Seahunt]

(August 2008) Article wherein the pool theory is reported on.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17136493/detail.html

A quote by Lee from the article:

Lee was asked if he thought his sister was being truthful.

"To the best of her ability right now, I do," he said.

Call me crazy, but that's kind of a strange answer.

You have to remember that at the time (August 2008) Lee still believed that Caylee was kidnapped, and Casey couldn't talk without angering the kidnappers, who had supposedly threatened the whole family.

It's like this statement that Lee to Casey on July 28, 2008 that I could never figure out:

Lee: I still want you to be able to know that you can -- you can call me, and I'll try to, you know, get as much out there as I can before anything would ever die.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_CaseyJailCall_072608.htm
Now I think that he believed Casey hook, line and sinker, and was desparately trying to help before the kidnappers killed Caylee? Casey? Whole family?

Actually to me the Casey's kidnapping lie explained a lot of the strange actions the family took in the days after reporting Caylee missing.

 

[joviroxx]

You have to remember that at the time (August 2008) Lee still believed that Caylee was kidnapped, and Casey couldn't talk without angering the kidnappers, who had supposedly threatened the whole family.

It's like this statement that Lee to Casey on July 28, 2008 that I could never figure out:

Lee: I still want you to be able to know that you can -- you can call me, and I'll try to, you know, get as much out there as I can before anything would ever die.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_CaseyJailCall_072608.htm
Now I think that he believed Casey hook, line and sinker, and was desparately trying to help before the kidnappers killed Caylee? Casey? Whole family?

Actually to me the Casey's kidnapping lie explained a lot of the strange actions the family took in the days after reporting Caylee missing.

Yep! They bought the kidnapping story and completely fell for it. Anyone who didn't was an "enemy" to the family. Tim Miller was one of the objects of Cindy's rage.

 

[PigletsPal2]

Getting back to the Equusearch team, does anyone remember hearing of a reason why none of them, specifically Leonard Padilla and/or Tracy McLaughlin, was called to testify? Testimony wouldn't add anything? Heresay? Or did I just miss it?

Queen Colleen

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

If she told the tattoo guy she'd bring Caylee in for her next appt., and it was during or after getting the Bella Vita tattoo, then there is NO WAY that tattoo is a memorial tattoo!!

And, if that's the case, I hope someone brings up the fact that the tattoo cannot be a memorial tattoo if Casey made it appear to the tattoo guy that her child was still alive. Especially since the defense admits that Casey knew Caylee was dead on June 16 and she got the Bella Vita tattoo on July 2.

What Casey told people, and what she actually did are too different things. Just because she told people that Casey was alive, doesn't mean that she wasn't getting the tattoo as a memorial to her. I'm hardly on her side, but I could definitely see that tattoo being a "memorial" in a twisted sort of way to Caylee. Maybe a double meaning...beautiful life regarding Caylee, and now Casey's beautiful life.

I believe Casey and Caylee came back to the house after George had left for the day. I think Casey drowned her and then tried to call her mom and dad to tell them that Caylee drowned accidentally (trying to set up her story) but when she couldn't get through to her mom or dad she panicked and removed her from the pool and set her by the playhouse (could be the reason why the dogs smelled the decomposition) and tried to figure out what to do next. Here's where I get confused as to what she did with the body though. Perhaps this is when she put her in the trunk of the car. But then I'm not sure why she would borrow the shovel the next day from the neighbor. I think she used the duct tape to try and make it look like she was kidnapped and murdered. Now if she was trying to call George the same way she was trying to call Cindy and couldn't get through to him then that would prove George had no idea what happened. I wish I had phone records. I don't know if this theory makes sense to anyone else. Thoughts?

It's my understanding that the dogs were cadaver dogs, who hit on a scent near the playhouse, which wasn't near the pool. If Caylee were a drowning victim, she'd probably be laid down by the pool. But, then I think she would have had to have been dead for some time for the dogs to hit on anything, no matter where she was, if she were laid down immediately after death.

However she died, I think it was at Casey's hands. I think Casey hid the body in the playhouse for a couple of days to decide what to do. And oh yeah, watch movies and spend the day in bed with her boyfriend on the 17th. When she took Caylee's body out of the playhouse on the 18th, she laid her on the ground, and that's where the dogs hit. I heard on a show that in the Florida heat, a body can decompose to bones in two weeks.

Then maybe she backed the car into the garage, put the body in the car trunk while she bagged her (because there's decomp in the trunk), borrowed the shovel to bury her, and took off down the street. It's a very short distance to where the body was found...like two minutes driving, and there are no other houses around...just the school further past, which was out for the summer. She obviously didn't bury her much, maybe didn't use the shovel at all and just dumped her. I think she had borrowed the shovel for about an hour? Very easy to be back from that location in an hour.

I think that there were lots of attempted phone calls to both George and Cindy, but I'm not sure. So I do think there's a possibility that she was going to claim an accident if she had reached them. Or maybe she was just having one of her "breakdowns" and was trying to reach them before she did something terrible, and couldn't.

Would there be chlorine residue in the bones if she drowned? And am I to understand that the ME did not test for chlorine?

If the victim were a drowning victim and that could prove your case that cause of death was drowning (over drugs, chloroform and duct tape), why wouldn't you test for chlorine?

So the question begs to be asked ... were the bones tested before or after the whole "drowning" story came to light?

Caylee became a drowning victim in the defense's opening statement on May 24. There was no reason to believe she had drowned before then. I'm not sure what shows up in bones after being submerged in water and exposed to the elements for 6 months.

Re the clothes, I thought it was strange that Cindy said she had never seen that shirt - really? With Caylee living at her house, I would have bet Cindy knew every piece of clothing Caylee had. I'd like to know where and when Casey got that shirt then? Makes me think of Casey's comment "They haven't even found her clothes yet" (in the Mclaughlin post below)....

And hmmm, well not exactly the same wording, but this is from one of Casey's postings:

BTW if you haven't seen some of Casey's icons, this photobucket link shows some of them copied over from her myspace accounts, etc.

I started to count the number she had with hearts on them, but gave up at 25

http://s611.photobucket.com/albums/tt194/CaseyAnthonyIcons/

Her name was Tracy McLaughlin and:

she told the investigators that Casey was critical of other people looking for Caylee. When the subject came up Casey remarked, “They haven’t even found the clothes she was wearing.” Leonard Padilla says that statement has convinced him that Casey knows exactly where those clothes are and where her daughter is. Padilla says, “Everything’s a game to her. That statement, they haven’t even found the clothes yet, leads us to believe the clothing were somewhere but not in the proximity of the body.”

http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/t1208-who-s-who-in-the-anthony-case

I would love to hear what Ms. McLaughlin saw in the house!

The whole thing about the clothes is very confusing. They're saying that 1) Cindy never saw that shirt, 2) the shorts were small and 3) Casey said they haven't even found her clothes yet. So, was she wearing anything??? And what scenario fits that? Was Caylee potty trained? Was there underwear/diaper found? (If still in diapers, I guess not.) Were shoes found? I can see if a child dressed herself, putting on a favorite pair of shorts, whether they fit or not. The shirt...maybe Casey kept clothes in the car. Did George say that she was wearing something else when he last saw Caylee on the 16th?

Hey, maybe Casey bought that shirt especially for that day, twisted as she is.

 

[joviroxx]

Getting back to the Equusearch team, does anyone remember hearing of a reason why none of them, specifically Leonard Padilla and/or Tracy McLaughlin, was called to testify? Testimony wouldn't add anything? Heresay? Or did I just miss it?


Queen Colleen

Leonard Padilla isn't with Equusearch. He is a bounty hunter. I certainly wouldn't call him.. I don't think his testimony would add anything and just give him more attention.

Im not sure why they didn't call Tim Miller. Only thing I can think of is the whole mess with Laura Buchanan and the possibility that she altered some of the equusearch documents.

Then maybe she backed the car into the garage, put the body in the car trunk while she bagged her (because there's decomp in the trunk),

And yesterday they showed how the black garbage bags and the laundry bags were right there in the garage. They were within easy reach for Casey when putting Caylee in the car!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Getting back to the Equusearch team, does anyone remember hearing of a reason why none of them, specifically Leonard Padilla and/or Tracy McLaughlin, was called to testify? Testimony wouldn't add anything? Heresay? Or did I just miss it?

Queen Colleen

I don't know. Leonard Padilla I wouldn't trust on the witness stand. He's just all over the place. But I'm feeling very anxious that the state didn't get all sorts of "good stuff" out there. Maybe during the defense's case somehow??

 

[reelmom]

I think the shirt is a slap in the face to little Caylee. I think that it was picked on purpose because Casey thought of Caylee as Big Trouble. I think she thought of her as a hinderance to her fun and partying. If she didn't want to raise her, her grandparents were more than willing but Casey would not allow that. She admitted to being "spiteful" to her mom with regards to Caylee and I think she would rather kill her child than allow her Mom the satisfaction of raising Caylee and then have it thrown in her face that she was an unfit mother. She then began to spin a web of lies that worked with her family. I think that Casey really thought she would get away with it because her family always would clean up her messes. However, the lies don't work on normal people and she will have to own up to what she did.

 

[Iheartdis]

What Casey told people, and what she actually did are too different things. Just because she told people that Casey was alive, doesn't mean that she wasn't getting the tattoo as a memorial to her. I'm hardly on her side, but I could definitely see that tattoo being a "memorial" in a twisted sort of way to Caylee. Maybe a double meaning...beautiful life regarding Caylee, and now Casey's beautiful life.It's my understanding that the dogs were cadaver dogs, who hit on a scent near the playhouse, which wasn't near the pool. If Caylee were a drowning victim, she'd probably be laid down by the pool. But, then I think she would have had to have been dead for some time for the dogs to hit on anything, no matter where she was, if she were laid down immediately after death.

However she died, I think it was at Casey's hands. I think Casey hid the body in the playhouse for a couple of days to decide what to do. And oh yeah, watch movies and spend the day in bed with her boyfriend on the 17th. When she took Caylee's body out of the playhouse on the 18th, she laid her on the ground, and that's where the dogs hit. I heard on a show that in the Florida heat, a body can decompose to bones in two weeks.

Then maybe she backed the car into the garage, put the body in the car trunk while she bagged her (because there's decomp in the trunk), borrowed the shovel to bury her, and took off down the street. It's a very short distance to where the body was found...like two minutes driving, and there are no other houses around...just the school further past, which was out for the summer. She obviously didn't bury her much, maybe didn't use the shovel at all and just dumped her. I think she had borrowed the shovel for about an hour? Very easy to be back from that location in an hour.

I think that there were lots of attempted phone calls to both George and Cindy, but I'm not sure. So I do think there's a possibility that she was going to claim an accident if she had reached them. Or maybe she was just having one of her "breakdowns" and was trying to reach them before she did something terrible, and couldn't. Caylee became a drowning victim in the defense's opening statement on May 24. There was no reason to believe she had drowned before then. I'm not sure what shows up in bones after being submerged in water and exposed to the elements for 6 months. The whole thing about the clothes is very confusing. They're saying that 1) Cindy never saw that shirt, 2) the shorts were small and 3) Casey said they haven't even found her clothes yet. So, was she wearing anything??? And what scenario fits that? Was Caylee potty trained? Was there underwear/diaper found? (If still in diapers, I guess not.) Were shoes found? I can see if a child dressed herself, putting on a favorite pair of shorts, whether they fit or not. The shirt...maybe Casey kept clothes in the car. Did George say that she was wearing something else when he last saw Caylee on the 16th?

Hey, maybe Casey bought that shirt especially for that day, twisted as she is.

If she did buy her that shirt especially for that day she had to be planning it for quite some time because if you remember she was photographed wearing that shirt back when Casey was dating Ricardo Morales. I believe that was back in February or March

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

If she did buy her that shirt especially for that day she had to be planning it for quite some time because if you remember she was photographed wearing that shirt back when Casey was dating Ricardo Morales. I believe that was back in February or March

And that's when she started her "killer" searches too. Wonder where the shirt was, if Cindy never saw it. Seems odd that Cindy never saw it in all that time, and it was the shirt found with Caylee.

 

[PUZZLDY5]

Are they running late this morning?
I didn't get to see the tattoo guys testimony yeaterday so I have no idea if there is court this morning or not?

 

[Mosoh]

I wonder if Baez really thought Caylee was alive/just missing when he was hired.

If I were on the jury,that would be a biggie for me. He loses credibility by not stepping down when a missing child case became a murder case.

 

[PUZZLDY5]

Nevermind. I guess I'm just impatient.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have a technical question regarding jury and deliberations:

Are they properly informed of what is and especially what is NOT required to issue a guilty verdict?

I am asking as I have seen some opinions that say the State hasn't proven anything. It seems those opinions hang on the absence of a COD and that the evidence is only circumstantial as well as lack if motive. My understanding of law is that the Supreme Court has upheld that circumstantial evidence is permitted and that law does not require motive or COD for a murder 1 conviction.

Is the jury informed of all of that? I would think so (or else how would Scott Peterson have been convicted?).

While WE are entitled to various opinions that may or may not have basis in law---the jury would have to follow law. So for example, they couldn't insist on premeditation, right? (not sure if it is that simple).

 

[Dee77]

Seems like Baez is concerned that the cans will be used for a "sniff test" the prosecutor said not at this time but maybe at a later date.

and Mr. Mason stated that there is a concern due to the fact that the jury requested access to a piece of evidence, the prosecutor replied that the jury has made several requests such as when their monitors are not visible etc, it didn't go anywhere.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Mason brought up the issue of jurors talking to decide they wanted to see the heart sticker evidence again. Made me very nervous! Is it not an issue? I went to get my coffee.

State rested its case! ?

 

[kidshop]

And that's when she started her "killer" searches too. Wonder where the shirt was, if Cindy never saw it. Seems odd that Cindy never saw it in all that time, and it was the shirt found with Caylee.

I didn't really understand the shirt but I think where the prosecution was going was that if Cindy did most of the Caylee care, and did the laundry; had never seen that shirt, then how could George have had access to it when Caylee 'drowned'? The shirt was solely in Casey's possession and was never at the
Anthony house, therefore Caylee did not die there.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I didn't really understand the shirt but I think where the prosecution was going was that if Cindy did most of the Caylee care, and did the laundry; had never seen that shirt, then how could George have had access to it when Caylee 'drowned'? The shirt was solely in Casey's possession and was never at the
Anthony house, therefore Caylee did not die there.

Aahhh, I see. TY! ETA: I don't think that it proves Caylee didn't die at the house tho. But I'm getting confused at this point in general. lol

The cans of decomp smell was admitted into evidence. On InSession they said that the jury CAN open them in the jury room? Whoa.

 

[Iheartdis]

Perry just ignored Mason when he brought up the fact that the jury may have been discussing the case

 

[Iheartdis]

I didn't really understand the shirt but I think where the prosecution was going was that if Cindy did most of the Caylee care, and did the laundry; had never seen that shirt, then how could George have had access to it when Caylee 'drowned'? The shirt was solely in Casey's possession and was never at the
Anthony house, therefore Caylee did not die there.

Good point