Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[ilovepete]

Ive been giving some thought as to the evidence that the State has NOT used. They didn't ask Lee about any sexual abuse, the stain in the trunk, the cell phone pings,Kilomarie testifying about how she and Caysey used to bury pets with stickers in the same area, asking Cindy about all the money Casey stole, the Gatorade bottle......

Then I wonder if the State is holding onto anything for rebuttal. I guess I figure that Baez will make some idiotic mistake while presenting the Defense and open the door to questions and testimony that otherwise could not be entered. I understand that there is a huge element of strategy involved in presenting your case but I just wish I KNEW WHAT IT WAS! .

BTW, Thursday is June 16. it would be ironic if not completely apropos if the State would rest on that day,wouldn't it?

Anyway, the more I think about it, the less I want Casey sentenced to death. She needs to sit in a real prison (not a jail) every day of what is left of her natural life. That would be much worse for her than death.

Yeah I am hoping they haven't put all their cards on the table yet for this one. Although they have had some really strong stuff, it may not be enough for the jury to be convinced that CASEY murdered her.

 

[denisem]

Ive been giving some thought as to the evidence that the State has NOT used. They didn't ask Lee about any sexual abuse, the stain in the trunk, the cell phone pings,Kilomarie testifying about how she and Caysey used to bury pets with stickers in the same area, asking Cindy about all the money Casey stole, the Gatorade bottle......

Then I wonder if the State is holding onto anything for rebuttal. I guess I figure that Baez will make some idiotic mistake while presenting the Defense and open the door to questions and testimony that otherwise could not be entered. I understand that there is a huge element of strategy involved in presenting your case but I just wish I KNEW WHAT IT WAS! .

BTW, Thursday is June 16. it would be ironic if not completely apropos if the State would rest on that day,wouldn't it?

Anyway, the more I think about it, the less I want Casey sentenced to death. She needs to sit in a real prison (not a jail) every day of what is left of her natural life. That would be much worse for her than death.

I think they are. I also wonder about the whole "ping" thing & if anyone could clarify it, I'd appreciate it. Evidently as long as your cell is on, it pings the nearest cell tower & gives a location? But couldn't they argue that she left the phone at home, or wherever & went somewhere else? It's possible she could have had one of those pay-as-you-go as a backup (like the Anthony's bat phones)? Just playing devil's advocate here.

I'm also torn about the DP. Not because I don't believe in it, but it would just extend KC's "fame" while they endlessly appealed.

 

[diznygirl]

Anyway, the more I think about it, the less I want Casey sentenced to death. She needs to sit in a real prison (not a jail) every day of what is left of her natural life. That would be much worse for her than death.

I disagree. She will make a very nice life for herself in prison. She will give interview after interview, crying about the injustice. There will be boyfriends, maybe even marriage. A book, a movie. She will find religion. Some celebrity will take up her cause. She will be everywhere.

And she will be loving it.

 

[usnuzuloose]

If Casey is sentenced to prison that will be the real wakeup call. Prison will be more horrible than just jail. She may end up trying to make sure she stays alive herself. If the state wraps up today, do you think the defense will start weds or thurs?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

found something interesting

wonder if defense will bring in the 'neighbors; who heard the noise in the pool

From Rick Plesea to Cindy Anthony (Sunday, August 10, 2008 America Online: RickA1P)

From: RickA1P@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 2:48 PM
To: cindymant@yahoo.com
Subject: Caylee

Dear Cindy, George and Lee:

Here goes, You mentioned that the steps of the pool were back after you took them down on the 15th of June.The neighbors said that they heard someone in the pool on the afternoon of the 16th of June. The cell phonerecords point out that Casey made a bunch of calls to you and George that you guys did not answer on the16th of June. I think Caylee drown in the pool and Casey was trying to call you guys. Since she couldn't reachyou she panicked and put Caylee's body in the backyard to hide her. Then on the 18th of June she returned toeither bury her (borrowed shovel from neighbor) or move the body. The neighbor said he thought it was oddthat she backed into the drive that day. She put Caylee's body in the trunk of the car and drove away.

When I saw that rash of phone calls mentioned before, it did make me wonder if Caylee had drowned and Casey was trying to contact her parents in a panic.

But I forgot on March 19 she looked up One Tree Hill and One Tree Hill 100th Episode. Relevent parts of a recap on IMDb:

Background: The nanny character, who is described as personable, nurturing and beautiful, will be revealing that she'll probably end up an old maid since she can't get “the ideal” guy.

She had a son. Something happened to him and he died.

He is buried in the back yard of her house

This episode was about a nanny kidnapping a child.

Hmmm I wonder if this is where Casey grabbed "the nanny stold my child" idea from.

Oh, I forgot about that too. Freaky!

hold on - why is court starting at 1??

i'm finally home in the morning and it's not on? agrrr - i have to leave at 1.20 to go see my midwives

ya i know we've been dransfered to the high risk unit but i want to update them as they said they would come to the labour "if" no one goes into labour that is under their care

I was seeing midwives with my first pregnancy...planned to deliver in the ABC (Alternate Birth Center). But I had complications on arrival at the hospital, and eventually had a C-section BUT the midwife was with me. My 2nd delivery was a VBAC with a different midwife (not such a good experience) and my 3rd a VBAC with a Dr, which was fine, but really would've liked a midwife or doula with me. Hope it works out with the midwife!

i also think the court house is wrong in that they are not handing out numbers outside where they are lined up so they don't have to do this stupid mad dash once they open the doors.

Aren't they not allowed to get in line before a certain time? I thought they were lurking someplace else, and at the appropriate time, come arunnin'.

anyone else think dr drew should stick with celeb rehab???

he's not a lawyer - what the hell is he going on about the trial for? it's not even his field

He's an idiot. But even Joy Behar was doing episodes on this case. Joy Behar? Really???

If she did drown as a cause of death, there isn't a great possibility that it was really an accident. Probably would have been plausiable for Casey to knock her out, then put her in the pool?

I thought that too. I guess we'll have to wait for Casey's book "If I Did It..."

I'm still looking at old info, and saw this about Casey claiming to 2 different friends that she felt like she was having a breakdown back in 2007:

01/07/2009 "Annie (Downing) spoke of an emotional breakdown Casey had in late 2006 or early 2007. She said Casey showed up at her work for lunch one day saying she needed to talk. Casey told her she needed to get away and felt like she was having a breakdown. Casey did not tell Annie what triggered this. Casey told her she wanted to go to an institution and that Caylee could stay with her mom (Cynthia). Casey said she needed help. When she called Casey later to check up on her, Casey said she'd talked to her mother and everything was okay."

and this:

"In March of 2007 Casey called Michelle (Murphy) and said she was feeling crazy and needed someone to talk to. Michelle said this conversation took place shortly after Casey told her she had a miscarriage. Casey was thinking about getting herself committed. Casey told her she had imagined this life with Brandon and that she was suppose to have this baby in October. Casey did not know what to do and she did not feel like she was being a very good mother to Caylee. Casey did not say why she thought this. She also did not give Michelle a particular reason she was having these feelings. When Michelle called to check on Casey the day after this conversation, Casey "kinda blew me off" and said everything was fine. This made Michelle question if Casey had made this up to get sympathy."

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_DiscoveryPt1-021809.html

Oh, if she had only gotten some help back then

I know, huh?

i bet that 90% of all computers now have all these searches on their computers.

in fact, the police would probably be asking someone who has a computer search done :" uh, why don't you have a search on your computer in June for chloroform ,what are you hiding"

I'm sorry, but from a mother who's 14yo son has threatened suicide, I am glad he did not do it.

There are too many people who wrongly believe that if a person is talking about suicide, they will never do it, because after all, if you want to kill yourself, why tell someone so they can stop you? My son told someone because he was scared. Why was he scared? Because it was an overwhelming urge to go home and hang himself, and an image of him hanging popped in his head. I think at that point he realized maybe, just maybe, he didn't really want to be dead, he just wanted some help.

I am sure the Anthony family is quite grateful that George didn't "just do it." He was going through a lot at the time. His granddaughter was missing, his daughter was lying about everything, and he had the press camped out on his front lawn. Yeah, that might make me think it was time to check out.

ETA: Oh God, I just realized the defense can use this as evidence that George felt guilty about what he had done to cover up Caylee's death and he just couldn't live with himself anymore. Barf.

Ok, that sounds like a Bon Jovi fan LMAO! We've been using that sharpie method for years for general admission shows and ticket lines ups. In the states and Europe. Im busting a gut here laughing. And yes, never use black as its too common. We also had a notebook that you would have to sign when getting your number LOL!

The more I follow this trial and the more I read just makes me go huh? This would be sooo much easier for Miss Casey if she would just fess up. At this point, she's been branded guilty by everyone and what people think about her doesn't matter. At this point, she is facing life in jail, if not death. If it was an accident, say so. Even if it was, lying and saying it was an accident would be better for her. I just can't wrap my head around this.

Someone mentioned Kronk. I don't believe for a second he had anything to do with the duct tape. Not one! That duct tape was there before decomp. By the time searches started for this child, all that was left of poor Caylee was bones. The mandible would have been separated already. Are they going to claim he found the two, put them together and then taped it together? Nope, sorry, not buying it.

After reading chloroform directions, Im starting to think she tried to make it and failed miserable. I just don't think she is that patient , careful and for the lack of a better word, smart. She probably tried, made some concoction that was incredibly unsafe and used it anyway? Oh I don't know, the not knowing makes me crazy sometimes.

There's going to be a rash of people at WDW with markers, numbering guests in attraction lines!

I'm so curious about the Kronk thing. Where can Baez possibly be going with this, and what does the prosecution know? I just recently saw the part of Baez's opening statement where he talked about the sexual abuse, and Jeff Ashton was shaking his head and looked like he wanted to jump him.

About the chloroform...maybe she didn't end up with a "perfect" specimen of chloroform. Maybe she tried what she ended up with and it didn't quite do the the job. Maybe it was "just" to knock her out but Caylee started reacting to it (add your own bad medical reactions here ), but it was "correct" enough to give off properties of chloroform (what showed up forensically). And then the duct tape became necessary.

I for one question whether or not the threat was real. Especially since George seemed to "recover" so quickly for someone who was close to attempting. This isn't to say it was or wasn't legit. There was just something odd about the whole thing.

Also--I believe at the point of this, Caylee's remains had already been located. I am not sure if they had the funeral yet. If not, another explanation could be that he was overwhelmed with grief.

But as soon as they put George on the stand for it, he won't say anything that backs up defense's thesis. Any attempts of Jose to infer that while George is on the stand will fail (or possibly badgering the witness).

I can see him reaching a point of desperation, and being talked down. I don't think he "recovered" quickly, so much as made the decision not to do it, and got help.

I think, IMHO, that George at that point was beginning to face, with the location of Caylee's body, that not only was his granddaughter dead, but Casey probably did have something to do with it.

On InSession right now, Ryan Smith is talking to people in line. The first guy in line got there at 11 PM last night. So, WHERE has he been since 11? There were all sorts of rules, I thought, in the beginning of the trial about what time they could line up...like 5:30 AM or something.

Now there's a psychotherapist on InSession talking about how she thinks Casey has Borderline Personality Disorder, which is what I think my sister has. I don't think my sister has ever been diagnosed with that...her Psychiatrist was a quack and I haven't talked to my sister in a year and a half. But I can see the similarities.

Ack...have to go for a manicure before this afternoon's session!

 

[woodkins]

Ive been giving some thought as to the evidence that the State has NOT used. They didn't ask Lee about any sexual abuse, the stain in the trunk, the cell phone pings,Kilomarie testifying about how she and Caysey used to bury pets with stickers in the same area, asking Cindy about all the money Casey stole, the Gatorade bottle......

Then I wonder if the State is holding onto anything for rebuttal. I guess I figure that Baez will make some idiotic mistake while presenting the Defense and open the door to questions and testimony that otherwise could not be entered. I understand that there is a huge element of strategy involved in presenting your case but I just wish I KNEW WHAT IT WAS! .

BTW, Thursday is June 16. it would be ironic if not completely apropos if the State would rest on that day,wouldn't it?

Anyway, the more I think about it, the less I want Casey sentenced to death. She needs to sit in a real prison (not a jail) every day of what is left of her natural life. That would be much worse for her than death.

I personally think that the Prosecution did not bring up the abuse with Lee and some other accusations made by the defense because at this point they did not have to. These were accusations made by the defense in their opening and as of right now cannot be used by the jury in their deliberations. There is no need for them to introduce the abuse etc into evidence and testimony. IF the defense calls him and questions him on it, he undoubtably will deny it and the prosecution can confirm that in its cross examination.

 

[plutotek]

Regarding the witness, I think the person is flying in to Orlando today at 11 local time and the plans couldn't be changed. On a linear scale, that puts the prosecution at least a day ahead. I think there is also another witness after that and then they rest, barring any last minute changes.

As for the 'gawkers', according to a news report, they are lining up on the sidewalk at the street, then at 530 are being allowed on courthouse property. I'm sorry, I balk at waiting in line on Black Friday unless absolutely NECESSARY. These are some die-hard [insert description here].

 

[joviroxx]

I disagree. She will make a very nice life for herself in prison. She will give interview after interview, crying about the injustice. There will be boyfriends, maybe even marriage. A book, a movie. She will find religion. Some celebrity will take up her cause. She will be everywhere.

And she will be loving it.

Great, and here I was hoping she'd be miserable.. you may have a point!

I personally think that the Prosecution did not bring up the abuse with Lee and some other accusations made by the defense because at this point they did not have to. These were accusations made by the defense in their opening and as of right now cannot be used by the jury in their deliberations. There is no need for them to introduce the abuse etc into evidence and testimony. IF the defense calls him and questions him on it, he undoubtably will deny it and the prosecution can confirm that in its cross examination.

I keep thinking that's why they have might have kept it out as well. They just do not think they need to introduce it.

 

[joviroxx]

When I saw that rash of phone calls mentioned before, it did make me wonder if Caylee had drowned and Casey was trying to contact her parents in a panic.

People say that but I don't know why I keep thinking it was Casey calling to make sure no one was coming home and they were all at work!

About the chloroform...maybe she didn't end up with a "perfect" specimen of chloroform. Maybe she tried what she ended up with and it didn't quite do the the job. Maybe it was "just" to knock her out but Caylee started reacting to it (add your own bad medical reactions here ), but it was "correct" enough to give off properties of chloroform (what showed up forensically). And then the duct tape became necessary.

Pretty much....

 

[Conservative Hippie]

I was seeing midwives with my first pregnancy...planned to deliver in the ABC (Alternate Birth Center). But I had complications on arrival at the hospital, and eventually had a C-section BUT the midwife was with me. My 2nd delivery was a VBAC with a different midwife (not such a good experience) and my 3rd a VBAC with a Dr, which was fine, but really would've liked a midwife or doula with me. Hope it works out with the midwife!

I had both of my babies at free-standing birth centers with midwives!

Kurby, I am keeping you and baby in my prayers!

 

[Kurby]

there's no need to bring up abuse aligations with Lee because it's not their case that Casey was abused. no point questioning someone on something you believe is a lie and not part of the prosecutions case.

there are other things that have been left out but one show i was watching they were saying that there was a LOT of evidence - some better then others some more questionable then others. the prosecution doesn't need to display everything to make their point and in some cases when there is sooooooo much it can become too much for the jury to believe. Unless its video tape of her doing it.

some items are left out because they can be seen as contridictions or be used by the defense for their client.

if the defense wants to use it they can because they have access to everything long before the trial starts (regardless what dippy says)

 

[Wadecool]

I disagree. She will make a very nice life for herself in prison. She will give interview after interview, crying about the injustice. There will be boyfriends, maybe even marriage. A book, a movie. She will find religion. Some celebrity will take up her cause. She will be everywhere.

And she will be loving it.

ITA! Casey loves attention and she will be a close second to Charles Manson as far as celebrity inmates go. The only positive is that Casey may face some "inmate justice" from her fellow prisoners, since inmates seriously frown upon crimes against children.

 

[Wadecool]

Watching reruns of Cindy Anthonys testimony on TruTv, I would love to read that myspace posting she left for Casey. Does anyone know where we can find it?

 

[PUZZLDY5]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but found on click orlando.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28227726/index.html

 

[Mosoh]

Watching reruns of Cindy Anthonys testimony on TruTv, I would love to read that myspace posting she left for Casey. Does anyone know where we can find it?

I can't post links yet, but if you copy and paste you'll find it.


cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cindy-anthony-deleted-myspace.jpg

 

[ilovepete]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but found on click orlando.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28227726/index.html

Oh wow. Not good.

 

[mellvswdw1]

Ok...I am in some serious withdrawl right now. I keep refreshing just to see if the trial has started early. I so appreciate everyones updates, as I am completely relying on you guys for updates.

I have looked back through, but couldn't find the answer to this question. Has the defense published who is on their list to call? Do they have to put Casey on the possible call list, or can they put her on at the last minute?

Personally, I think it is a serious catch 22....if they call her will the jury think she is just a little liar, or will she play them like she has done in the past? Or, does the defense try to have expert witnesses only to try to debunk all of the state's very powerful, and damning evidence? Decisions, decisions....

 

[denisem]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but found on click orlando.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28227726/index.html

Whoa!

 

[woodkins]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but found on click orlando.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28227726/index.html

Wow..that is pretty cool that we can see what they were saying. Makes me like Judge Perry even more

 

[LisaR]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but found on click orlando.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28227726/index.html

WOW!


I am so bugged that I have to leave in a few minutes and won't get back until 3pm. Darn kids of mine interfering with my trial time! I hope the last witness is the smoking gun but my gut tells me it won't be that big of a deal. I think it is simply a matter of someone that they just couldn't get there any sooner. I hope I am wrong. The computer will be my first stop when I walk in the door this afternoon!