Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[ilovepete]

There appears to be different theories of the timeline and testimony given so far, one where Casey left in the heat of the moment after a fight with her mother. I believe that if that was the case, then there would be numerous calls and messages left by Cindy, George and Lee asking her to come back and apologies etc.

Next theory, accidental drowning:
If we believe George that he last saw Casey and Caylee leave their house at 12:50, then why are we still saying that Caylee drowned? Are we supposed to believe that Casey came back after George left for work, went swimming, the "swimming accident" happened, she went inside changed Caylee out of her swimsuit, (a shirt and shorts were found with the bones, not a swimsuit) and made ALL of the phone calls that she made, she hid the body and got out of there before Cindy came home.

As for Casey drugging Caylee all along, how did she not kill her before June 16, 2008? It is a very fine line where giving medicine to a child can be safe and where the slightest extra amount can be lethal, I just can't imagine that Casey was "safely" using Xanax for a long period of time to knock Caylee out and there was no witnesses or other information to back this up. I personally think she may have been using something, ex Xanax or chloroform for a week or two before the child's death but not much longer than that.

I still don't believe she drowned, but just a couple of things. I think they were saying Caylee got out of the house on her own and fell into the pool on her own. If so, she probably was not in a bathing suit, but her regular clothes. So I don't think she would have had to change her or whatever. And also, Casey's phone DID show she was near the Anthony's home until 4PM. So if the defense story is true, I guess that is why she would have been around that whole time covering up.
If George's story is true, and she left his house at 12:50 with Caylee like he said she did, then what was she doing aroudn their house until 4PM? To me, it seems Caylee would have died (assuming Casey killing her whether by accident or not) between 12:50 and 4, when she started to head to Tony's for the night. There was no evidence of Caylee on the video their blockbuster trip that night and of course Tony said he didn't see Caylee. So it seems it would have had to have happened then.

 

[TLSnell1981]

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As for Casey drugging Caylee all along, how did she not kill her before June 16, 2008? It is a very fine line where giving medicine to a child can be safe and where the slightest extra amount can be lethal, I just can't imagine that Casey was "safely" using Xanax for a long period of time to knock Caylee out and there was no witnesses or other information to back this up. I personally think she may have been using something, ex Xanax or chloroform for a week or two before the child's death but not much longer than that.

Didn't the autopsy show no drugs?

 

[hellokitty86]

ETA: That diary entry just days later that talks about being happier than she's ever been and looking forward to things getting even better and then states that hopefully the end would justify the means is pretty telling.

There is speculation that the diary entry was written in 2003. Here is a picture of it, look in the upper left hand corner of the diary and it says '03'. I think this is an instance of the media over-dramatizing evidence that was found. Don't know why, Casey brings enough drama by herself.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740990/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/18739816/detail.html

 

[Dee77]

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Didn't the autopsy show no drugs?

I am not sure how extensive the autopsy check for drugs could have been with only bones to work with?? But many people are under the belief that Casey had been using something to knock Caylee out while she went and partied for quite a while, Xanax, Zanny the nanny etc has been associated as being one in the same and Cindy said that she heard about Zanny for over a year before Kaylee died.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I am not sure how extensive the autopsy check for drugs could have been with only bones to work with?? But many people are under the belief that Casey had been using something to knock Caylee out while she went and partied for quite a while, Xanax, Zanny the nanny etc has been associated as being one in the same and Cindy said that she heard about Zanny for over a year before Kaylee died.

I believe, they tested hair.

 

[hellokitty86]

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Didn't the autopsy show no drugs?

I think the results were inconclusive.

 

[horseshowmom]

There is speculation that the diary entry was written in 2003. Here is a picture of it, look in the upper left hand corner of the diary and it says '03'. I think this is an instance of the media over-dramatizing evidence that was found. Don't know why, Casey brings enough drama by herself.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740990/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/18739816/detail.html

That's very interesting. It plainly says '03 but definitely looks more like an adult's writing than a teenager's. Very curious...

 

[Crazy4Disney72]

She said Caylee slept with Casey, so I doubt she would go in Casey's room, especially if there was a fight the night before.
Cindy didn't mention a fight though, she said they had an emotional night watching the videos they took that day at the nursing home.

Okay, that makes more sense to me then, I forgot that Caylee often slept with Casey.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I think the results were inconclusive.

Toxicology screening detected NO drugs, but couldn't rule out PRIOR use. They also could NOT determine a cause of death, although ruled a homicide, due to the circumstances surrounding her death.

 

[Dee77]

That's very interesting. It plainly says '03 but definitely looks more like an adult's writing than a teenager's. Very curious...

I agree but if she was inclined to write in a diary on a regular basis they will know if the entry was 2003 or 2008 based on the other entries in the book. 5 years earlier it could be argued that she was starting a new chapter with finishing high school but Casey didn't graduate right??? Plus in Florida I think high school graduations are in early May.

Also where was the diary found, I was thinking that it was in the house which is odd if she never returned after the 16th of June.

The whole thing is very confusing..

 

[TLSnell1981]

That's very interesting. It plainly says '03 but definitely looks more like an adult's writing than a teenager's. Very curious...

Casey was 17 in '03. I don't think, my handwriting changed much at that age..teen years to adulthood.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

ETA: That diary entry just days later that talks about being happier than she's ever been and looking forward to things getting even better and then states that hopefully the end would justify the means is pretty telling.

Yes, it is.

There is still a long way to go with the prosecution. They haven't even gotten to so much yet. They have the 911 calls, Lee, Amy Huizenga, forensics, cell phone records, police and the infamous interviews and so on and so on. Then we get the lovely pleasure of listening to Baez put on his case. Still trying to figure out if Baez believes this story from Casey or if he's just going with it because Casey says so.

This certainly will be interesting to see. Even though I have pretty much seen most of the evidence in the previous years, there are still things that can surprise.

I have found myself going back and forth , believing different things about the Cindy and George, but one thing that remains constant is that I still believe this was Casey's doing, all on her own.

When I think of how much, or actually how LITTLE, they've covered (and I wonder how much of it is sidebars and Judge Perry slapping Baez's hand), there really is tons more to go.

I have not changed my feelings about Casey and believe she's guilty. I have, since George and Cindy came on the scene and yelled on their front lawns at people and got angry in those depositions regarding the "real" Zenaida Gonzalez, changed how I feel about them. I feel like I understand them more. And I think they're coming off as very sympathetic figures. And being treated with respect by the prosecutors (altho Burdick...I think that's her name...could be a LITTLE warmer, no?), they are respectful back. I think Baez, and therefore the defense case, just looks so accusing to everyone...everyone is "wrong" except Casey.

I still don't believe she drowned, but just a couple of things. I think they were saying Caylee got out of the house on her own and fell into the pool on her own. If so, she probably was not in a bathing suit, but her regular clothes. So I don't think she would have had to change her or whatever. And also, Casey's phone DID show she was near the Anthony's home until 4PM. So if the defense story is true, I guess that is why she would have been around that whole time covering up.
If George's story is true, and she left his house at 12:50 with Caylee like he said she did, then what was she doing aroudn their house until 4PM? To me, it seems Caylee would have died (assuming Casey killing her whether by accident or not) between 12:50 and 4, when she started to head to Tony's for the night. There was no evidence of Caylee on the video their blockbuster trip that night and of course Tony said he didn't see Caylee. So it seems it would have had to have happened then.

Didn't George leave the house at 2:15ish? So if it happened with George there, as the defense claims, it would have happened before then. If George isn't involved, and Casey left the house at 12:50, I don't think the cell phone shows that she was AT the house, but in the vicinity, no? Maybe she drove around looking for a place to get rid of her after she killed her? ( I hate even typing that.) Maybe she was driving around "thinking" or steaming about her situation. Maybe she got rid of the body by dumping her in the woods, and then went back several days later to retrieve the body, and get the shovel and actually bury her. Or, she put her in that little house. Can't help thinking that little house has something to do with this. Was it outside of the house, or outside of the pool, that the cadaver dogs hit? Because they ARE far apart. OK...according to a news report I found, the cadaver dogs hit on a scent near the playhouse.

I've been past their house (2009) and the woods where Caylee was found. It's interesting to see the proximity. Cindy said on the stand that the elementary school is about a 5 minute walk...I'd guess 10...but if walking, the woods are on the way to the elementary school, on a dead end street. IIRC, there is nothing else on that end of the street...the woods and the school.

Go to googlemaps.com and input their address: 4937 Hopespring Drive, Orlando, FL and follow the road up to Suburban Drive and take a right. When the prosecution was talking about Casey and Lee attending that elementary school, I think they were getting to the point that Casey was very familiar with the area.

What is the defense going to say about George's participation in this? That HE buried the body? They probably can't pull that off, so that's why they're going to accuse Kronk of something. If George were going to be involved in a conspiracy to hide Caylee's body, would he really let Casey take care of things??

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

There is speculation that the diary entry was written in 2003. Here is a picture of it, look in the upper left hand corner of the diary and it says '03'. I think this is an instance of the media over-dramatizing evidence that was found. Don't know why, Casey brings enough drama by herself.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740990/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/18739816/detail.html

Wow, that's interesting. '03? I wonder what else is in the journal, or if any other journals were found. Why is it out there publicly, I assume released as a public record of evidence. If it's truly from '03, it seems that it wouldn't be evidence. But it's interesting how everything she says seems to fit the time in her life in '08. Perhaps there's other evidence that it DOES refer to '08? Who knows. This is like doing a 10,000 piece puzzle, and a whole bunch are missing under the coffee table.

 

[horseshowmom]

I agree but if she was inclined to write in a diary on a regular basis they will know if the entry was 2003 or 2008 based on the other entries in the book. 5 years earlier it could be argued that she was starting a new chapter with finishing high school but Casey didn't graduate right??? Plus in Florida I think high school graduations are in early May.

Also where was the diary found, I was thinking that it was in the house which is odd if she never returned after the 16th of June.

The whole thing is very confusing..

If it was at the house, that is strange. We know she was at the house at least once after the 16th (for example, she and Tony broke into the shed to get the gas cans), but it's hard to believe she took the time to write in her diary while she was there.

Casey was 17 in '03. I don't think, my handwriting changed much at that age..teen years to adulthood.

Truthfully, mine did change some, but that doesn't mean hers did, of course.

I have not changed my feelings about Casey and believe she's guilty. I have, since George and Cindy came on the scene and yelled on their front lawns at people and got angry in those depositions regarding the "real" Zenaida Gonzalez, changed how I feel about them. I feel like I understand them more. And I think they're coming off as very sympathetic figures. And being treated with respect by the prosecutors (altho Burdick...I think that's her name...could be a LITTLE warmer, no?), they are respectful back. I think Baez, and therefore the defense case, just looks so accusing to everyone...everyone is "wrong" except Casey.

I agree completely. I was pretty disgusted with some of the things Cindy did that, IMHO, were done to obstruct justice and to try to protect Casey. Now, I think I better understand that she genuinely forced herself to believe her daughter and was truly at the end of her rope. While I can't understand how she could not see, I've also never been in her position (thank goodness).

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Here's an article from 2009 about the diary and other evidence found...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/19/national/main4812435.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4812435

A blurb from that article:

Prosecutors in the murder case of Florida toddler Caylee Anthony revealed evidence they say points to the guilt of the Casey Anthony, the girl's mother, including a diary entry she allegedly made five days after her daughter's disappearance in which she wrote she had "no regrets."

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In a diary entry dated June 21, Casey writes, "I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I completely trust my own judgment I know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means."

She also writes that "this is the happiest that I have been in a very long time."

But defense attorneys argue that the entry was made in 2003, before Caylee was born, not in 2008 as prosecutors claim.

"This is going to be critical. What is the time frame of this diary?" noted CBS News legal analyst Lisa Bloom on The Early Show Thursday. "Because if [it was made in 2008], when Casey says 'I'm very happy. I've never been so happy. I have no regrets,' it makes her seem like a sociopath."

Bloom said that forensic experts should be able to date the ink for that entry.

This is going to sound far-fetched, but in the name of brainstorming...Casey seems to enjoy a bit of cat and mouse games. Perhaps she wrote that on June 21 '08, in a way like some killers keep a souvenir, but dated it '03.

 

[ilovepete]

There aren't any type or forensics that can compare dates or compare hand writing from both time periods?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Don't know this source, but putting it here anyway in case anyone else can confirm the last line:

http://smacktalkradio.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/evidence-casey-anthony-murder-trial/

Transfer writing (imprints of writing) from other pages of the diary mentioned a person named Kenneth that Casey had dated in 2003. A member of Casey Anthony’s defense team, spokeswoman Marti MacKenzie, contends that this entry was written in 2003 prior to the time that Caylee was born. The defense contends that the opposite page has “’03″ written in one of the corners as the date, and the handwriting on the two pages match. However, there was no authentication that this is a date, or when it was entered in the diary or by whom. The prosecution acknowledged that it did not know when the entry was made. In January, 2010, however, an FBI report released in the media stated that the diary in question was not sold until 2004.

Wait...I did find this article on WESH:

http://www.wesh.com/r/26750093/detail.html

Blurb:

Recently released evidence documents show FBI testing was done on Casey Anthony's diary to determine when entries were written. While the diary has a date of 2003, the test revealed the diary itself was only sold in 2004.

 

[hellokitty86]

is right!

 

[Witch Mountain]

Y'all have been busy on here! I started quoting people than gave up.. Too much to comment on LOL

There is still a long way to go with the prosecution. They haven't even gotten to so much yet. They have the 911 calls, Lee, Amy Huizenga, forensics, cell phone records, police and the infamous interviews and so on and so on. Then we get the lovely pleasure of listening to Baez put on his case. Still trying to figure out if Baez believes this story from Casey or if he's just going with it because Casey says so.
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I'm more and more convinced that Bozo took a page from a book from a favorite author. A man is recalled to military duty so he can be court-martialed for an event during the Vietnam War.

His military approved lawyer tells him "Don't tell me the truth. I don't want to hear your story. It's better this way."

I suspect that Bozo read Word of Honor at some point and figured that the strategy is effective for a capital case, forgetting that the book was a work of fiction.

 

[horseshowmom]

Here's an article from 2009 about the diary and other evidence found...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/19/national/main4812435.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4812435

A blurb from that article: This is going to sound far-fetched, but in the name of brainstorming...Casey seems to enjoy a bit of cat and mouse games. Perhaps she wrote that on June 21 '08, in a way like some killers keep a souvenir, but dated it '03.

That's very interesting too. Casey is certainly an odd one so who knows. I'm assuming they have already done tests on the ink. If this is still in evidence (anybody know?), they have it there for a reason.