Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[usnuzuloose]

Can't imagine but I'm so ready to hear JB.....

I am curious if GA and CA will be in there, especially if Baez says he molested her. I cant see them just sitting there.

 

[Feralpeg]

The prosecution will be bringing out alot of things that people have not heard, along with alot of other evidence. The prosecution did make the statement to the judge last week there will be evidence that has not been brought in as ebvidence yet.

Very true. I'm just saying that I will not take anything the prosecution says at face value. If they have proof, they need to bring it. There is too much at stake here to take anything at face value.

A person above stated that she felt Casey was innocent until she heard the prosecution's opening statements. Now, she thinks she is guilty. While I understand that is easy to do, really you should not make a determination until you hear/see the evidence. Opening statements are not evidence.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

That is according to the state. They have yet to prove this. Remember, you can say anything during opening statements. They have to give proof of their statements by experts. The jury is not supposed to take anything on face value.

Based on analysis by several experts on the local news, the duct tape looks like any duct tape you can buy at a hardware store. If there is something special about it, the state needs to prove that.

You will find, throughout this trial, that I am a stickler for details and procedures. I take nothing at face value when it comes down to a person's life.

OK, "allegedly" rare duct tape? I think in the course of discussing it here, we're not going to get as technical, in a legal sense.

I didn't hear it was "rare" but thought it can be (allegedly) traced in some way...whatever the makeup of this duct tape is...to what they had in the house. I think (?) we all understand that this is a preview of the case, and the presentation of evidence comes later, no doubt to be challenged by the defense (perhaps, it's common duct tape found everywhere). There isn't one duct tape company, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if forensics can determine what brand duct tape it is. The duct tape matching what was in their house isn't going to convict her...it's just a piece of the very large puzzle.

Even the jurors aren't taking notes...I'm guessing now they are listening, and during the presentation of evidence, they will take notes, understanding that that is what really counts as far as deciding guilt or innocence, as told to them by the judge.

 

[usnuzuloose]

OK had to look it up:

From what I understand, in Florida, First Degree Murder is either 1) premeditated murder or 2) Felony Murder. Because it would have been committed while commiting aggravated child abuse, it would fall under first degree murder FELONY murder.

Hopefully there is a lawyer on here to correct me if needed.

I am sure that with all the cases involving children there would be different circumstances for being murder one. Some cases may not have that cause.

 

[Feralpeg]

OK had to look it up:

From what I understand, in Florida, First Degree Murder is either 1) premeditated murder or 2) Felony Murder. Because it would have been committed while commiting aggravated child abuse, it would fall under first degree murder FELONY murder.

Hopefully there is a lawyer on here to correct me if needed.

I am definitely not a lawyer, but I think you are interpreting the premeditated portion. As I mentioned before, I have seen several cases involving aggravated child abuse in Florida where they have not gone with a first degree murder charge. Maybe, it is the way the prosecution spins it.

I don't know for sure.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

A person above stated that she felt Casey was innocent until she heard the prosecution's opening statements. Now, she thinks she is guilty. While I understand that is easy to do, really you should not make a determination until you hear/see the evidence. Opening statements are not evidence.

And we're not the jury.

I am curious if GA and CA will be in there, especially if Baez says he molested her. I cant see them just sitting there.

I expect they'll be there; they were there this morning. Can't imagine what Baez will say, or how they'll react.

 

[joviroxx]

Ok, this is where I got it from: Wish they would make laws easy to understand, its like they complicate everything on purpose!LOL

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/first-degree-murder.html

Definition of First Degree Murder
The crime of First Degree Murder occurs when a person commits either:

Premeditated Murder, or
Felony Murder

Premeditated Murder
Premeditated murder occurs when a person kills another human being pursuant to a pre-planned act or scheme.

Felony Murder
Felony murder occurs when a person kills another human being while engaged in the commission, or attempted commission, of the following statutorily enumerated felonies, regardless of whether they intended to kill anybody:

Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
Aggravated child abuse,
Aggravated stalking,
Aircraft piracy,
Arson,
Burglary
Carjacking,
Distribution of Controlled Substances
Escape,
Home-invasion robbery,
Kidnapping,
Murder of another human being,
Resisting Officer with Violence,
Robbery,
Sexual battery,
Terrorism,
Trafficking in Controlled Substances, or
Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.

 

[ols386]

By usin' duct tape?

Ahh, good point.

I had forgotten about the duct tape.

 

[Feralpeg]

OK, "allegedly" rare duct tape? I think in the course of discussing it here, we're not going to get as technical, in a legal sense.

I didn't hear it was "rare" but thought it can be (allegedly) traced in some way...whatever the makeup of this duct tape is...to what they had in the house. I think (?) we all understand that this is a preview of the case, and the presentation of evidence comes later, no doubt to be challenged by the defense (perhaps, it's common duct tape found everywhere). There isn't one duct tape company, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if forensics can determine what brand duct tape it is. The duct tape matching what was in their house isn't going to convict her...it's just a piece of the very large puzzle.

Even the jurors aren't taking notes...I'm guessing now they are listening, and during the presentation of evidence, they will take notes, understanding that that is what really counts as far as deciding guilt or innocence, as told to them by the judge.

I agree. I will try not to split hairs. As I mentioned before, I am a detail person.

I don't know that they jury will be allowed to take notes. I've been a juror several times and we were not allowed to take notes. We could write things down once deliberation started, but not before. Not sure what the rules are for this in Florida. I was a juror in Missouri.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Good Morning from SoCal … oh no 11 pages to read … I better get started!!!

12! Hurry up!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I agree. I will try not to split hairs. As I mentioned before, I am a detail person.

I don't know that they jury will be allowed to take notes. I've been a juror several times and we were not allowed to take notes. We could write things down once deliberation started, but not before. Not sure what the rules are for this in Florida. I was a juror in Missouri.

They are allowed to take notes. They have open notebooks; no one has written anything yet.

 

[momrek06]

12! Hurry up!

All done!!!

You all are AMAZING!!! Thanks!!!

So we are in 'lunch break'!!!

 

[DWGal210]

I'm going to try & stay on top of this thread. I'll try the wftv.com link & see how that works on my phone.

Thanks to everyone for posting & giving us the details.

 

[Feralpeg]

Ok, this is where I got it from: Wish they would make laws easy to understand, its like they complicate everything on purpose!LOL

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/first-degree-murder.html

Definition of First Degree Murder
The crime of First Degree Murder occurs when a person commits either:

Premeditated Murder, or
Felony Murder

Premeditated Murder
Premeditated murder occurs when a person kills another human being pursuant to a pre-planned act or scheme.

Felony Murder
Felony murder occurs when a person kills another human being while engaged in the commission, or attempted commission, of the following statutorily enumerated felonies, regardless of whether they intended to kill anybody:

Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
Aggravated child abuse,
Aggravated stalking,
Aircraft piracy,
Arson,
Burglary
Carjacking,
Distribution of Controlled Substances
Escape,
Home-invasion robbery,
Kidnapping,
Murder of another human being,
Resisting Officer with Violence,
Robbery,
Sexual battery,
Terrorism,
Trafficking in Controlled Substances, or
Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.

Thanks for posting that. Interesting. I do find it interesting how much leeway prosecutors have. Since this whole thing broke almost three years ago, I've seen numerous cases involving people who have killed children in this area. For the most part, the reaction in the area has been minor. The prosecution has not gone for first degree murder in these cases. Some of them have been horrific cases. In one case, the parents starved the child to death. In another case, the guy set the child on fire. Yet, these cases were not first degree murder. I don't really understand the thinking of the prosecutors office. I wonder if a lot of it doesn't come down to money. It costs a lot more to prosecute a death penalty case.

 

[joviroxx]

They are allowed to take notes. They have open notebooks; no one has written anything yet.

I think they said they also have to leave the notebooks each day in the courtroom and won't be able to refer to them until deliberation time.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Sorry, I didn't read thru all the pages so this may have been mentioned, but is this being broadcast live on any specific channel? Thanks.

 

[Feralpeg]

They are allowed to take notes. They have open notebooks; no one has written anything yet.

Thanks. I wonder if it is a state thing or has to do with the type of case. I served on criminal cases, but not a murder trial.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree. I will try not to split hairs. As I mentioned before, I am a detail person.

I don't know that they jury will be allowed to take notes. I've been a juror several times and we were not allowed to take notes. We could write things down once deliberation started, but not before. Not sure what the rules are for this in Florida. I was a juror in Missouri.

Judge stated at the very beginning that they are permitted to take notes.

However, if the note taking becomes a distraction, it will stop.

 

[joviroxx]

Thanks for posting that. Interesting. I do find it interesting how much leeway prosecutors have. Since this whole thing broke almost three years ago, I've seen numerous cases involving people who have killed children in this area. For the most part, the reaction in the area has been minor. The prosecution has not gone for first degree murder in these cases. Some of them have been horrific cases. In one case, the parents starved the child to death. In another case, the guy set the child on fire. Yet, these cases were not first degree murder. I don't really understand the thinking of the prosecutors office. I wonder if a lot of it doesn't come down to money. It costs a lot more to prosecute a death penalty case.

I agree, for some reason this particular case just took off. I think, in part, it was because of Cindy Anthony throwing it in the media and just the weird way that no one will admit to anything. I think if Casey hadn't been lying the way she has and the family hadn't invited the media in as well as Baez fighting NOT to have a gag order, it might have blown over a bit. People are fascinated.

As well, there are some that have said that the decision to go for the death penalty has been politically driven (ok, Geraldo said that). But this has been a circus from the beginning. From the parents, to her lawyers, to Leonard Padilla, to Nancy Grace,etc etc....

 

[usnuzuloose]

Thanks for posting that. Interesting. I do find it interesting how much leeway prosecutors have. Since this whole thing broke almost three years ago, I've seen numerous cases involving people who have killed children in this area. For the most part, the reaction in the area has been minor. The prosecution has not gone for first degree murder in these cases. Some of them have been horrific cases. In one case, the parents starved the child to death. In another case, the guy set the child on fire. Yet, these cases were not first degree murder. I don't really understand the thinking of the prosecutors office. I wonder if a lot of it doesn't come down to money. It costs a lot more to prosecute a death penalty case.

It would be interesting to know how they came up with murder one.