Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[Brit17]

Juror #11 . White male in his early 30s. He teaches physical education and health to 10th graders. He’s been a teacher for 15 years.

Thanx ... has he come forward to speak yet? ...

 

[Seahunt]

to put a pull up on a dead baby?

Thanks for posting this
Funny how you can look at something for 3 years and miss an important detail like this!

I'll add it to my things that don't make sense. Like when her car was backed in to the parking space beside the dumpster at Amscott - how many times when you break down do you have someone push your car from the front so you can back into a parking space beside a trash dumpster? And when Tony picked her up and she left the car there, she jumped in his car and had a bag of frozen food with her. Per Tony, not items from a grocery store, but like opened stuff from her home freezer - makes me wonder if Caylee's body had been in the freezer too and that's when she was placed in the trunk and backed into that space beside the trash dumpster?

Ahh will we ever know the 100% truth in this crazy case? During the Cindy's 2nd cousin's call to the radio station about a book coming out, she mentioned there had been a family conference call. Hmmm, I bet Baez was involved, and that call was what they are supposed to say, what plan they're going to go with, etc. They're desperate to get Casey's sympathy factor going - they have lots of things to sell, money to make, don'cha know

 

[brunette8706]

I just can't believe there wasn't one (1) juror that said something to the effect..."Wait a minute, let's go over the timeline, let's look at the other evidence, let's look at our notes (if anyone took any), let's look and listen at the boyfriends testimony, let's ask ourselves why she didn't report her child missing for 31 days"...

You mean to tell me there wasn't one (1) juror that didn't want to analyze anything and eh hem "connect the dots" as another previous poster pointed out! Not ONE??? Makes no sense!

 

[usnuzuloose]

I just can't believe there wasn't one (1) juror that said something to the effect..."Wait a minute, let's go over the timeline, let's look at the other evidence, let's look at our notes (if anyone took any), let's look and listen at the boyfriends testimony, let's ask ourselves why she didn't report her child missing for 31 days"...

You mean to tell me there wasn't one (1) juror that didn't want to analyze anything and eh hem "connect the dots" as another previous poster pointed out! Not ONE??? Makes no sense!

According to juror 2 there were 6 for murder 1. I guess they lied when they told everyone they could hold there ground on there verdict. He also said they did not know who Caylees care giver was This is listed on the special form. so if your not sure who it was how can you mark and say for sure Casey wasn't the care giver. she had sole custody and could of walked out with Caylee any time and there was nothing George or Cindy could do.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

The reason this case failed is because Casey DIDN'T HAVE TO TESTIFY. I truly believe that if she did testify she would have been convicted. Why is that the law that they don't have to defend themselves? Can you imagine if she were asked "Casey why did you blamed Zaney the Nanny for taking Caylee?" All these crazy things she did went out the window and they were proof of some really bad things. She needed to explain why she lied, WHY. Why make up all these Zaney the Nanny, why say you work at Universal Studios? Why not report her missing. This needed to be asked directly to Casey.

 

[brunette8706]

According to juror 2 there were 6 for murder 1. I guess they lied when they told everyone they could hold there ground on there verdict. He also said they did not know who Caylees care giver was This is listed on the special form. so if your not sure who it was how can you mark and say for sure Casey wasn't the care giver. she had sole custody and could of walked out with Caylee any time and there was nothing George or Cindy could do.

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Thanks for your quick response. I'm playing devil's advocate here....Who cares who the heck the care giver was? Caylee had the baby and made up lies when the grandmother asked to see her. That should tell you that Casey had the baby. The baby was murdered while in Casey's care. I don't understand why the jurors (all 12 of them didn't see that). It's driving me nuts.

brunette

 

[Mosoh]

Does it strike anyone that for the alternates to know what the jury deliberated, defend them and be upset that people think we're incompetent is as close to a confession of pre-deliberation discussions as you can get?

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

I know I didn't follow that. Who cares who the caregiver was, what did that have to do with their decision? Casey was the caregiver and her mother was going crazy trying to get her to tell her where the baby was. Casey said Caylee was with Zaney the Nanny. Why didn't they prosecution get to ask her those questions directly.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Finally worked my way through the last 8 pages (probably more by the time I post!), and as usual, over-quoted and will start deleting. So no offense to anyone who doesn't make the cut! LOL At this point tho, most has been said and re-said, and there's about as much chance of changing someone's mind about the verdict one way or another as there is changing their minds about _________ and __________. (Fill in the blank with big debatable topics which I'm not sure are even allowed on the DIS anymore.)

I watched some, and am still watching more as I have time, of the interview with Cheney Mason *insert puking smilie here* with Jean Casarez. She asked him about it being a "credibility contest" with GA and CA being placed in the position they were with the defense opening statement. He said that all trials, at some point, seem to be an issue of credibility of witnesses, whether you believe them or don't believe them. On some issues, GA and CA were credible and on others they weren't. People have different motives and reasons for doing things, being evasive in answering questions, trying to spar and play games with the lawyers is never good. The conflict they (GA and CA) have been under has been enormous. (Mare speaking...George was accused of sexual molestation of his daughter and disposing of her granddaughter's body...imagine that, being defensive! )

Then JC asked him "Does it concern you at all, you representing Casey, that reputations of others may have been affected for the rest of their lives, talking about George and Lee?" And MMM responded "Does it concern me? Not particularly. You raise an issue that I could say yeah, well, I could understand the problems of that. But it pales to insignificance against the obligation of protecting Casey's rights under the law. And seeing that she gets a fair trial, and we did. So I don't want to say 'their concerns be damned' because that wouldn't be honest. I do have concerns for them to that extent. It's not something that occupies my mind at this point. Our concern from day one was protecting Casey's rights and believing there was not evidence to convict her, believing in her innocence, so that's what we did." (Why would he care AT ALL about GA if he did in fact have his ***** in his client's mouth when she was a teenager? )

She asked if we'd ever know the answers to what happened to Caylee or where her body was found and how it was found, he said that if it hasn't been answered by now, it never will. If people have their mind set on believing something regardless of what the evidence is, they're not going to change it.

JC..."When you look at the evidence, someone in that home was responsible at least for the dumping of the body." MMM..."Not necessarily. I think there's substantial evidence to CONNECT aspects of the home with it, but that doesn't mean it was done that way, or when or how or by whom. There are going to be unanswered questions and you're not going to get answers from me or anybody else any differently because that's just the nature of it. And it's not the first trial where the answers just aren't there, or they're not revealed." (I think it's because he knows full well that nothing Casey says can be believed...nothing. They went with what she spit out, and don't believe a single thing, IMHO.)

Later in the interview...he was interested to learn in this trial that people grieve differently! What a revelation, huh? Well, MMM, I think the issue some of us have is that SHE DIDN'T GRIEVE AT ALL. He also said that as Baez properly argues (gag) this was a "problem that snowballed out of control." Yes, Caylee was a problem all right. And to have the claim made by Ms OceanLiner become such a catch phrase makes me sick.

Wow that was fast. Here's Cindy's 2nd cousin starting the Casey reputation rehabilitation train, with George all the way under the bus and with Cindy and Casey starting anew together:

http://krbe.com/portals/1/audio/rrshow/interviews/070611_CASEYANTHONY_familymember.mp3

Wow. She sounds special. They had a conference call? "Hey, lots of money to be made here! Are you in?!"

Who Dr Spitz? Who claims the duct tape was placed on the skull AFTERWARDS? The one who says someone picked up the skull, put it together and then placed duct tape on it? The one who said that Dr G didn't follow protocol when not opening skull but upon cross exam had to admit that she followed all published protocol?

The one who didn't know what HE said in an interview because he meant to watch it but he fell asleep and missed it?! HE SAID THAT! Well, damn, there's a challenge to another expert witness!

Remember that silly finger pistols thing Baez did in front of the camera on the morning of the jury verdict, before the jury had actually given the verdict? It's almost as if he knew something then, isn't it?

Maybe it was the alleged wink from one of the jurors?

this women thought KC was guilty until "Last night's confrence call" really????

so a few words on a phone call and she switched her opinion soooooo quick? not to mention that she said she was a distance cousin of cindy's that they didn't talk that much yet she was invited into this "confence call" with the family???

hummm strange

I didn't get that Cindy was in on that conference call, but I could be wrong. But yeah, they all were shocked by the verdict, but now suddenly, and in one phone call, "get it." But we'll have to wait for the book. What a freak show.

Just thought I'd share:

"Casey Jury Brainwash" - Written by: Marcia Clark

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html

Awesome article! Thanks for posting.

Someone tell me that Jennifer Ford was not the LEADER of the group. Please....

Frightening, isn't it? Cheney Mason said in the interview with Jean Casarez that Jennifer Ford spoke "eloquently". If she was "eloquent" I guess I misunderstood the meaning of the word. So, we've heard from 4 jurors so far...the "eloquent" Jennifer Ford, the alternate juror teacher who said "we believed...we...we...we", the juror who looking for the highest bidder for an interview, and the juror who said they wanted to find her guilty yet there wasn't enough evidence (and oh yeah, after 6 weeks of testimony/evidence, spent VERY little time reviewing it, if any). No matter what, people were going to have issues with NOT GUILTY on all counts. If everything about these four, the ones we've heard from, wasn't so questionable, it would be a lot easier to swallow.

Jerry Springer has offered $1mil for an interview w/ ICA but CA,GA and LA have to be there as well...

If this is the only offer they get is some crap show then I can live with that.... but still wont watch it.

Oh, I don't know...beating each other up might be interesting.

Still watching Cheney Mason interview...MMM said how attentive the jury was...he never saw anyone falling asleep, etc. But I'm pretty sure it was Jean Casarez herself saying during the trial that she saw at least one dozing off. But does JC mention that to him? No.

He also said about volunteers with Equusearch...SOME are there for the right reason, some are looking for their moment of fame. (How dare he!) And that in fact they all PAID money to Texas Equusearch to join their club, team, or whatever it is...an initiation fee...so they can do that. (MMM makes me sick.) Mare here...as someone who PAID $2000 to send my kids to Haiti last year, I find that very offensive. Just sayin'.

I just saw where the PR firm who agreed to represent Baez has just dropped him because of the uproar.

Rascal Flatts just released a song written in honor of Caylee Anthony. It's called "She's Going Places". It's wonderful....have tissues ready, lol.

Just scroll down and you'll find it.

http://play987.radio.com/2011/07/08/moving-tribute-to-caylee-anthony/

Beautiful.

Ok all - I am done posting on this topic.

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Mare - thanks for all your hard work on maintaining these threads. Big congrats on your coming grandbaby!

Thanks! And thanks for your contributions, and would love to have you back for more.

Caylee's Law should take into account not reporting for psychological reasons. It is a knee jerk reaction to pass such. So says CM.

*insert Cheney Mason's gesture back at him"

There has been more discussion about the evidence after the trial than there was during the trial. And it seems to be a select few. I get the feeling that this is just exercise to flex their debate muscles. They enjoy tormenting people rather than really trying to discuss the "truth" as they claim.

Don't they have anything better to do? A fight on the resort boards, or recipes to share on the budget boards? I suppose the old debates have gotten too predictable.

I so cannot wait to be at Columbia Restaurant, sipping Sangria!

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Actually I have heard of those diatom rings before. Not much though and I'm not sure if it was on csi ncis house or the likes of or in the news so I'm unsure about them ya I have heard of them

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9068188

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 - 200,000 of those rolls were sold, not that it matters really, because it's reasonable to believe the duct tape came from the Anthony home - whether used as a murder weapon or for
whatever part it played in the disposal of her body.

What's really interesting in regards to the duct tape is the first time the gas can leaves the home with a search warrant it doesn't have tape on it, but the second time it does - yet no Henkel duct tape was found in the Anthony home.

Where was the tape?

I know I just read someones answer to this but wanted to reaffirm their response.

GA was up and out of the house every day manning tents. These tents were plastered in photos of Caylee, both paper pictures and cardboard ones. Each one of those pictures was held up by the duct tape.

Now people believed that Caylee was dead and that it was a sham for GA to be out there collecting donations and would go to the tents and harrass GA as well as go to the businesses that had allowed him to set up the tents on their property to complain. Because of all the complaints GA moved the tent three times that I know of.

Each time he moved the tent meant that he had to rehang every single one of those pictures.

So for me it's no surprise that there is no more of that tape left.

And can I add that if GA really had anything to do with Caylees death and disposal would he really walk around with the tape and use it in full view of everyone? He had no clue that tape would be found on her body. If he did he would've left it with her body or thrown it out June 16th.

Also something else about the duct tape that doesn't seem to have been grasped at the trial...Yes the tape was on her face and yes it held the jaw in place BUT only partially. Everyone seems hung up on "Well if it wasn't sticky enough to get DNA how was it still stuck to her face?" It WASN"T stuck to her face.

The tape had been on her face while she decomposed. Because she was dead she didn't move. Animals came and ripped her body apart but were uninterested in the skull as food. Her skull at that point remained immobile. The tape was wrapped around her head and was in her hair. As the skin disintegrated, her hair fell over the tape. (Imagine you're taking a shower and drape a towel over your arm..Your arm in this scenario is the duct tape over the skull and the towel is the hair)

We now have hair on both sides of the tape and the skull isn't moving. Decomp fluids are now soaked into the hair. The skull is now sitting in mud. Mud created by the fluids of her body mixed with the dirt she laid on. Eventually there is no more fluid and everything is drying up. Bugs come and set up house in her hair, leaf debris settles on her and grass and plants start to grow under her and her hair is now a tangled mess.

The rains come and the area floods. I have honestly no idea exactly how much water was in that area (if it was enough for the skull to float or even if skulls float at all) What we do know is that the skull was found with the bag so that means the skull stayed fairly immobile.

Everything starts to dry out. The skull and hair once again become home to bugs. It's caked in mud and bugs and leaf debris and the roots that had already sprouted prior to the rains continue to grow.

So at this point the tape isn't sticky anymore. Hasn't been for awhile. But the tape is still around her face. At this point it's not being held in place by glue but the pressure of the hair mass. (Now go back to the towel you have drapped over your arm..reach down and grab the ends of the towel and pull them away from your arm. Not matter how hard you pull on the towel it's not going to come thru your arm.)

 

[usnuzuloose]

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Thanks for your quick response. I'm playing devil's advocate here....Who cares who the heck the care giver was? Caylee had the baby and made up lies when the grandmother asked to see her. That should tell you that Casey had the baby. The baby was murdered while in Casey's care. I don't understand why the jurors (all 12 of them didn't see that). It's driving me nuts.

brunette

If you look at the link on page one, under verdict forms the special form required them to pick either Casey was or was not the care giver. So it it part of the verdict.

 

[Kurby]

My DD was wearing 24 mo at 3.5 years old!

my almost 6 year old can still wear size 3 shorts. I"M SHOCKED how she has only grown up not out. she's tall and thin and put on shorts the other day that she wore at the tail end of the pull up/diaper phase.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

my almost 6 year old can still wear size 3 shorts. I"M SHOCKED how she has only grown up not out. she's tall and thin and put on shorts the other day that she wore at the tail end of the pull up/diaper phase.

I can see how people who have older children might not remember, but anyone who has preschool aged or young children knows that the "age" label in clothing doesn't mean much! It's not a rule, it's a "guideline." So the "too small shorts" argument always annoyed me. You have no idea if they were too small, the last photos of Caylee show she was not a bigger girl, and we'll never know if they were too small because her mother killed her and threw her body in a swamp.

 

[plutotek]

Just thought I'd share:

"Casey Jury Brainwash" - Written by: Marcia Clark

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html

Been popping in and out today trying to catch up, but Ms. Clark's article hit the nail on the head for me. The steps she outlined were the steps I took when processing the testimony/evidence that was offered. After reading various accounts of Juror 3's statements, I thought I might have been missing something, but it appears I didn't miss a thing, including the judge's instructions.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

My prediction is (unless a vigilante gets to her first) we will hear that George murdered Cindy and Casey and then commited suicide.

I've thought about that. I could see it happening. But the defense team is not going to let her near them, IMHO.

All I'm saying is, using their own words, they didn't do it within the law. That has always been my frustration.

It was a verdict reached dishonestly. I know we have no recourse, but I don't see the point in trying to justify their actions.

Agreed.

Juror #11 . White male in his early 30s. He teaches physical education and health to 10th graders. He’s been a teacher for 15 years.

The foreman (just saying because standing alone, your post doesn't.) Isn't he the one they were saying was a good-looking guy? Maybe he can date Jennifer Ford.

I know it will never happen (at least until he retires) but I would love to hear what Judge Perry feels about this verdict. Did he look at those verdicts and think, "Holy ****! These people are crazy." Or did he think their decision had sound merit?

I'd love to know too, but I don't think it will ever happen. He'll talk about how the American jury system works, but that it needs tweaking. But I don't think we'll ever know what he really thinks about Casey's guilt or innocence. But I hope I'm wrong.

They were a size 24 months, like many other items of clothing she wore at that age. Where is the evidence that they were "too small"?

And what's the point about the size of the shorts anyway?? Was the claim or implication that George was the one who put them on or with her, because he didn't know anything about kids' sizes?

The reason this case failed is because Casey DIDN'T HAVE TO TESTIFY. I truly believe that if she did testify she would have been convicted. Why is that the law that they don't have to defend themselves? Can you imagine if she were asked "Casey why did you blamed Zaney the Nanny for taking Caylee?" All these crazy things she did went out the window and they were proof of some really bad things. She needed to explain why she lied, WHY. Why make up all these Zaney the Nanny, why say you work at Universal Studios? Why not report her missing. This needed to be asked directly to Casey.

Well, I won't debate the right of a defendant not to take the stand, but do you really think Casey wouldn't lie and this jury wouldn't believe her?

THE HOT BODY CONTEST: Casey WON it that night. But only because she was Tony's girlfriend, per Tony's former roommates.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

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Thanks for your quick response. I'm playing devil's advocate here....Who cares who the heck the care giver was? Caylee had the baby and made up lies when the grandmother asked to see her. That should tell you that Casey had the baby. The baby was murdered while in Casey's care. I don't understand why the jurors (all 12 of them didn't see that). It's driving me nuts.

brunette

A few years ago I was friends with a girl whose sister had given birth to a baby girl. The sister was attending night classes to get a degree and left her baby with the her boyfriend while she went to school. One night she came home and found the baby unresponsive and called 911. At the hospital they found that the baby had eaten toilet paper and had inhaled some. The boyfriend had left a roll in the crib.

The baby was a mess. They managed to save her but weren't sure if there would be any brain damage from the incident.

The baby was removed from the home and put in foster care. Both of them were arrested for child abuse/neglect and other things I don't remember. They reduced moms charges but she still wasn't allowed to have the baby back. She had to attend all sorts of mandatory classes. The courts had determined that she was the ultimate caregiver for the child regardless of the fact that she wasn't home.

He also said about volunteers with Equusearch...SOME are there for the right reason, some are looking for their moment of fame. (How dare he!) And that in fact they all PAID money to Texas Equusearch to join their club, team, or whatever it is...an initiation fee...so they can do that.[/COLOR] (MMM makes me sick.)

Snipped respectfully--BBM


Just wanted to say before anyone took this as fact that this is untrue. TES does not require you pay to join.

They do offer classes for you to become certified. But they in no way require you to pay to be a searcher.

I know this from personal experience

 

[CurlyGirl]

If you look at the link on page one, under verdict forms the special form required them to pick either Casey was or was not the care giver. So it it part of the verdict.

If my niece is with me for the afternoon, I'd be considered her care giver. If something happened to her while she was with me then I, as her care giver, would be held responsible.

With that said, it seems like the jury totally did not understand the meaning of care giver. They had to be looking at it in a general sense of who takes care of Caylee every day ... and might've been wondering if it's Cindy & George since they pay for her food/clothing/shelter ... or if it's Casey because she gave birth to Caylee even though she might not always be around. Not thinking "Who was Caylee's care giver THE DAY SHE DISAPPEARED" is unreal.

I am quite convinced that they didn't realize care giver could mean who was in charge of Caylee from the time GA last saw her on.

So ... who was Caylee's care giver the day she "disappeared"? That person was Casey. GA saw Caylee and Casey leave the house at 12:30 the afternoon the day Caylee "disappeared". Nobody ... not one person, not one store surveillence video, not one friend, not even Tony Lazarro said that they saw Caylee that afternoon. That is until the 8 pm Blockbuster video surveillence that showed Casey and Tony together without Caylee. So, if Casey wasn't Caylee's care giver from 12:30 til 8 pm and on, WHO was?

So, Caylee "disappeared" (was murdered) under Casey's care. There were no sightings of Caylee after the day that GA last saw her ... so whose care was she under? Casey's. Plain and simple.

Seeing how there was no Zanny the Nanny to drop Caylee off at, nobody else to say they took Caylee that day, Casey was the last care giver that Caylee was with. Casey didn't name anyone else as a potential care giver on that last day she was alive. So, if she was with Casey last, who the heck do they think the care giver was!?

 

[LisaR]

JC..."When you look at the evidence, someone in that home was responsible at least for the dumping of the body." MMM..."Not necessarily. I think there's substantial evidence to CONNECT aspects of the home with it, but that doesn't mean it was done that way, or when or how or by whom. There are going to be unanswered questions and you're not going to get answers from me or anybody else any differently because that's just the nature of it. And it's not the first trial where the answers just aren't there, or they're not revealed." (I think it's because he knows full well that nothing Casey says can be believed...nothing. They went with what she spit out, and don't believe a single thing, IMHO.)

So wait! CM is saying that someone other than George or Casey dumped Caylee's body in the woods?

Wow! That is some story Casey must have weaved for the defense.

 

[usnuzuloose]

If my niece is with me for the afternoon, I'd be considered her care giver. If something happened to her while she was with me then I, as her care giver, would be held responsible.

With that said, it seems like the jury totally did not understand the meaning of care giver. They had to be looking at it in a general sense of who takes care of Caylee every day ... and might've been wondering if it's Cindy & George since they pay for her food/clothing/shelter ... or if it's Casey because she gave birth to Caylee even though she might not always be around. Not thinking "Who was Caylee's care giver THE DAY SHE DISAPPEARED" is unreal.

I am quite convinced that they didn't realize care giver could mean who was in charge of Caylee from the time GA last saw her on.

So ... who was Caylee's care giver the day she "disappeared"? That person was Casey. GA saw Caylee and Casey leave the house at 12:30 the afternoon the day Caylee "disappeared". Nobody ... not one person, not one store surveillence video, not one friend, not even Tony Lazarro said that they saw Caylee that afternoon. That is until the 8 pm Blockbuster video surveillence that showed Casey and Tony together without Caylee. So, if Casey wasn't Caylee's care giver from 12:30 til 8 pm and on, WHO was?

So, Caylee "disappeared" (was murdered) under Casey's care. There were no sightings of Caylee after the day that GA last saw her ... so whose care was she under? Casey's. Plain and simple.

Seeing how there was no Zanny the Nanny to drop Caylee off at, nobody else to say they took Caylee that day, Casey was the last care giver that Caylee was with. Casey didn't name anyone else as a potential care giver on that last day she was alive. So, if she was with Casey last, who the heck do they think the care giver was!?

I guess they figured Caylee was her own caregiver.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The reason this case failed is because Casey DIDN'T HAVE TO TESTIFY. I truly believe that if she did testify she would have been convicted. Why is that the law that they don't have to defend themselves? Can you imagine if she were asked "Casey why did you blamed Zaney the Nanny for taking Caylee?" All these crazy things she did went out the window and they were proof of some really bad things. She needed to explain why she lied, WHY. Why make up all these Zaney the Nanny, why say you work at Universal Studios? Why not report her missing. This needed to be asked directly to Casey.

It is because we are innocent until proven guilty and that the burden is on the state to prove it.

I am not up on my legal history--so my assumption...is that this is to prevent the state from forcing a confession. If you get one, great. But the burden is on the state to prove it without it.

I always find that interesting--because I have not known a person truly innocent who pleads the fifth. Where someone else was proven to have done it. Casey has NEVER made any official statement past the original questioning.

That is some will power to say nothing.