Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[PixieDust32]

Good Night

 

[Mercedes1]

Getting to this thread real late, just sadabout the whole case, mainly for caylee

 

[denisem]

Wow! Did anyone see Dorothy Clay Sims (sp?) on Greta van Susteren's show a few minutes ago? Holy makeover!! I guess now that they're all famous, she had to go all Hollywood. I didn't even recognize her until I saw her name on the screen.

Once again, though, Greta gave the softball interview. She was asking DCS about the smell in Casey's car, and DCS replied, "Well, there was a rotting bag of garbage in the car." OK, Greta, your follow-up question should have been, "But there was no food in the bag." Gotta give it to Nance Grace. She wouldn't have let that go unchallenged.

LOL - same here, 1st thought was "You discovered hair conditioner!". I've never watched Greta until the past week - I'm not impressed.

You know I have been thinking about the Wendie Murphy remarks and the kiddy porn thing and I think it may hold some water. WHERE did KC go for two years during the day? WHERE was Cayleewhen she worked at Universal? And as far as her parents were concerned how did Casey PAY for a nanny?

Wendie is a very strong child advocate and I just don't see her making something like this up. I always think where did Casey get the money she had even if it is just for the tatoo on her back That had to be a couple of hundred. I know she stole checks but to buy clothes, go to clubs, mani/pedi, gas for the car and on and on. HOW much could she steal from her mother before her mother closed the account and find a way to shut her off? Something is wrong here. No one ever discussed where the money came from it could not all have been from her parents.

I don't reject any theory out of hand. But MY instincts lead me to believe if KC were into hooking, online video porn or (God forbid) child porn, she would earned enough money to move from her parent's home & gone on doing it indefinitely.

KC's parents probably believed most of her Universal "salary" was going to nanny care. And they took up the slack. IIRC, what we know is KC did $4-5K into Cindy's CC. Think about it: you have no rent/utilities, no car pmt/food/medical bills, and can scam gas $ from your family's shed?

IIRC, KC didn't get into the club thing until she hooked into her "new friends" shortly before Caylee disappearance. This coinciding with CA cutting her off (closing CC accts) so KC branched out to stealing from Granny, Granddad's nursing home acct and Amy H.'s checks when Amy was out of town.

 

[joviroxx]

She didn't need to go anywhere. She told her friends that she worked "events" and worked different hours, sometimes days and sometimes nights. She told her parents the same thing. So she left the house and then just came back after her parents went to work or she hung out with friends. She was leaving Caylee with Lauren Gibbs for the first 8 months of Caylee's life. She stopped babysitting when she discovered that Casey was not employed. Jesse Grunds parents also babysat. Casey often went home after her parents left and played on the internet, slept or whatever while her parents were gone. Then when her parents came home she could either tell them she was working that night (if she had plans with friends) Her friends never knew when Casey had to work. She could tell them anything. She didn't work anywhere after Caylee was born. She stole thousands of dollars from her family (parents and grandparents) and used their credit cards. Her parents probably thought most of Casey's paycheck was going towards paying for a nanny. I'm sure they weren't surprised that she was broke all the time since themeparks don't pay very much anyway. After paying babysitting there wouldn't be much money left over.

I'm convinced that almost everyday that her parents were at work, she went back home, sometimes with Caylee if she couldn't get the Grunds or Lauren to babysit.



I am sure that they knew she was stealing but Cindy enabled Casey. She covered for her whenever possible. When George did inadvertantly find out something, he was told to back off as were Lee. Casey also borrowed money from her grandmother and stole money out of her grandfather's nursing home account. I think when her grandparents realized she was stealing from them also and confronted Cindy, then Cindy finally got angry at Casey. I think that was soon after the Father's Day visit. Both Lee and Jesse said Casey had a big fight with Cindy the night before Caylee "went missing." I think everything was coming down on Casey around that time. Cindy was finally going to try "Tough Love" with her and may have even threatened to get custody of Caylee. Cindy was seeing a therapist at that time and seemed to be trying to stop enabling her.

^This exactly! Also remember, Casey didn't need money for Caylee. Cindy took care of all of that. She had no car payment, insurance rent, utilities etc.. I posted once, copies of Cindy's bank records and it shows all the money Casey took.. Its mindboggling.

I think that night, the night of the fight (which Cindy testified that they cuddled in bed and watched TV) was the beginning of what really happened to Caylee.

She told Gary that they didn't believed the sexual abuse, that it was no proven and it was a very nasty picture they painted of George, also they didn't believed the drowning theory, it was no prove at all and that it was the State obligation to give them proof and they didn't. Same thing.

I don't believe this for a minute. I think you will hear this now as they "explain" themselves, but at the time , they did believe it and did not discount it. Jennifer Ford is very telling. She was the first one out the door without the time to formulate their interviews.

Look, at the end of the day, it is what it is. If the jury feels secure with their verdict,so be it. Own it and go on. I have issues with the verdict and find they didn't do their job correctly. It does the jury members no good for them not to be honest with themselves or these interviews. They need to take the heat off of themselves and it shows.

Id respect it a lot more if at least one would come out and say "Look, yes we were influenced by the opening statements. I realize its not evidence but its tough to unring a bell. It was hard to deliberate and know you have someone's life in your hands, even though you aren't supposed to. We are humans that aren't exposed to this legal stuff all the time. Maybe we weren't clear on Reasonable Doubt." And then maybe making suggestions as to what could help juries in the future. The defensiveness doesn't help.

If they didn't feel this way, then own it, because they are contradicting themselves Everytime one of them speaks up they solidify my opinion.

 

[snapppyd]

I don't know that much about the case, just started watching the final week of the trial.

Did the jury see this:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

 

[dawgsgirl]

I have only followed part of this discussion, but I have a question. The first juror to say anything was an alternate who did NOT go into the jury room. He said that the jury felt like there was not enough evidence to convict. How did he know this?? Did the jurors discuss this case before the end of the trial?? Just wondering about this. Also, is there something between Casey and Jose?? The way they look at each other made me wonder!

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

Just checking in. I've been reading but I'll be ready to post in Sunday when ICA is (supposedly) released. (She may have been released already, but we shall see.) Looking forward to rejoining this thread, and appreciating all the info you peeps are sharing!!!!!!

OT Just looking at your Theater in the Wild sign and wishing both that and Hunchaback of Notre Dame were back at WDW.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I think that the law was well served, even if justice was not. It is an important distinction. We are a nation of laws. Given the evidence that I have seen, I would have been forced to the same conclusion - murder was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so a murder conviction became impossible.

Better to have a judicial system that allows people like this to walk free every once in a while than to have a system that imprisons the innocent on the whims of those in power.

Justice cannot always be served, but I suspect that she will get hers eventually.

 

[snapppyd]

OT Just looking at your Theater in the Wild sign and wishing both that and Hunchaback of Notre Dame were back at WDW.

My husband was looking over my shoulder last night and said the same thing!!

 

[T*Bird]

I have only followed part of this discussion, but I have a question. The first juror to say anything was an alternate who did NOT go into the jury room. He said that the jury felt like there was not enough evidence to convict. How did he know this?? Did the jurors discuss this case before the end of the trial?? Just wondering about this. Also, is there something between Casey and Jose?? The way they look at each other made me wonder!

That's the first time I've heard that brought up, and it's a very good point! You need to bring this to the attention of others. Hey, email Nancy Grace! Email Vinnie Politan. I wonder what ole Sunny Hostin would have to say. We know that jurors can do no wrong. This needs to be out there!

I doubt if anything is actually going on between CA and JB, just maybe in her mind and her dreams. I'm sure she thinks her charms would work on him. After all, it's evident now that she has the ability to charm a lot of people......12 new ones in particular.

 

[joviroxx]

I have only followed part of this discussion, but I have a question. The first juror to say anything was an alternate who did NOT go into the jury room. He said that the jury felt like there was not enough evidence to convict. How did he know this?? Did the jurors discuss this case before the end of the trial?? Just wondering about this. Also, is there something between Casey and Jose?? The way they look at each other made me wonder!

This has been brought up often. We don't know but speculation is also that the alternates met up with the 12 at the courthouse after the verdict read and they discussed it then. I don't think we will ever know.

As far a Baez and Casey. They have always had a rather odd relationship. One thing we do know is that Baez had to be told during his jail visits to stop touching Casey as often as he did.

 

[T*Bird]

This has been brought up often. We don't know but speculation is also that the alternates met up with the 12 at the courthouse after the verdict read and they discussed it then. I don't think we will ever know.

As far a Baez and Casey. They have always had a rather odd relationship. One thing we do know is that Baez had to be told during his jail visits to stop touching Casey as often as he did.

Oops, I guess I missed those discussions! Well, I was on vacation all last week. I don't know if I believe that explanation, though. Sounds more like what they're doing now - CYA moves.

 

[joviroxx]

I think that the law was well served, even if justice was not. It is an important distinction. We are a nation of laws. Given the evidence that I have seen, I would have been forced to the same conclusion - murder was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so a murder conviction became impossible.

Better to have a judicial system that allows people like this to walk free every once in a while than to have a system that imprisons the innocent on the whims of those in power.

Justice cannot always be served, but I suspect that she will get hers eventually.

I will respectfully disagree.I do believe there was plenty of evidence. And if not for Murder, then for Manslaughter.

Just because its better to have a system that allows someone to walk away does not make the verdict correct. I believe we need to learn from this verdict. Statements from the jurors show clear misunderstandings of their responsibilities. For me, this verdict was a mistake. Accepting mistakes is only "ok" if we learn from them.

I do , however, agree COMPLETELY with your last statement. She will get hers eventually. Of that, I have no doubt.

BTW, Mark Nejame is tweeting about a law presently being drafted to forbid payment for juror interviews for at least 6 months. I hope it passes!

 

[joviroxx]

Oops, I guess I missed those discussions! Well, I was on vacation all last week. I don't know if I believe that explanation, though. Sounds more like what they're doing now - CYA moves.

no worries!! We've discussed so much on these past 6 threads its hard to keep track! LOL!

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I will respectfully disagree.I do believe there was plenty of evidence. And if not for Murder, then for Manslaughter...

See, that's the problem - they did not try her for manslaughter. Had they, she would almost certainly have been found guilty. The prosecutors messed up, and they know it. They charged her with a crime that they knew that they couldn't prove had even been committed - by ANYONE, much less this woman. They admitted in court that they had no idea how this poor child died. How can you then say that you know beyond a reasonable doubt that she was murdered - a prerequisite for a murder conviction.

For manslaughter, they would only have to prove gross negligence, which they accomplished. The prosecution messed up here, and they should be held accountable.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

I have only followed part of this discussion, but I have a question. The first juror to say anything was an alternate who did NOT go into the jury room. He said that the jury felt like there was not enough evidence to convict. How did he know this?? Did the jurors discuss this case before the end of the trial?? Just wondering about this. Also, is there something between Casey and Jose?? The way they look at each other made me wonder!

I agree I asked this question much earlier in the thread and yet are we the only ones who noticed that? No officials noticed that? Isn't that misconduct?

IMHO it is a given that Jose is taking out his fee in trade if you know what I mean.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Not that it matters, because we know that Casey killed Caylee on June 16, but shouldn't it have been brought up by someone that although Casey was living with Tony from that date on, she didn't bring any Caylee's stuff with her? Did Tony think that Caylee was still living with Cindy and George, or did she just always have a reason for why Caylee wasn't around? Because if it is that she always had a reason for why Caylee wasn't around, I would (as someone else living in that apartment) expect to see baby things even if I never saw the baby.

 

[LisaR]

See, that's the problem - they did not try her for manslaughter. Had they, she would almost certainly have been found guilty. The prosecutors messed up, and they know it. They charged her with a crime that they knew that they couldn't prove had even been committed - by ANYONE, much less this woman. They admitted in court that they had no idea how this poor child died. How can you then say that you know beyond a reasonable doubt that she was murdered - a prerequisite for a murder conviction.

For manslaughter, they would only have to prove gross negligence, which they accomplished. The prosecution messed up here, and they should be held accountable.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Here is JUST ONE of the charges the jury could have found her GUILTY of. There were plenty of other charges as well. Murder One was not the only option.

AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD

§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.

2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.

Or

The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Here is JUST ONE of the charges the jury could have found her GUILTY of...

Maybe I missed something. Are you sure? She was charged with manslaughter, or it was an option for the jury?

 

[msjprincess]

See, that's the problem - they did not try her for manslaughter. Had they, she would almost certainly have been found guilty. The prosecutors messed up, and they know it. They charged her with a crime that they knew that they couldn't prove had even been committed - by ANYONE, much less this woman. They admitted in court that they had no idea how this poor child died. How can you then say that you know beyond a reasonable doubt that she was murdered - a prerequisite for a murder conviction.

For manslaughter, they would only have to prove gross negligence, which they accomplished. The prosecution messed up here, and they should be held accountable.

Manslaughter was one of the counts, she was found not guilty