Casey Anthony Civil Trials Discussion

[SleepyMom]

I think GA has believed all along that Casey killed Caylee. I think he knew better when it came to CA and kept his mouth shut and didn't make waves publicly.

CA does not want to admit that her daughter was capable of murder. And, what mother wants to admit that they had a hand in creating a monster? With that said, CA has to come up with excuses for Casey so it doesn't look like she raised a murderer.

I think GA was the only one who ever took Caylee's side. I am sure he wanted to just shake/slap/beat the truth out of Casey but Cindy would never allow him to do that. I am sure that GA would wash his hands of Casey if it wouldn't tick CA off. As Lisa R. said, CA would welcome Casey home and GA would not.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Anthony residence throughout everything -- from the minute 911 was called, throughout the trial, and now.

I can see Cindy constantly saying "But George, a group of her peers found her not guilty!" and George going "Not guilty isn't the same as innocent! She got away with murder!" and Cindy yelling "Don't say that. The jury said she didn't kill Caylee. And, God spoke through the jury so I know that she didn't do it! She had a brain tumor that went away, she had post-partum schizophrenia, she had seizures, insert every other excuse here!"

OK, I guess I said that wrong. I believe George has always known from day 1 that Casey was involved (and I fully believe Cindy knows this too), what I meant by him being in denial is he wasn't saying anything like that publicly. Publicly he was saying she wasn't involved, until he was thrown under the bus and now he seems willing to admit in open that she was. I'm just wondering if it had been Cindy under that bus if it would have opened her eyes enough to admit now that Casey was involved.

I can't imagine if that were my granddaughter and covering this up, to me that just screams that Caylee was disposable to them all... George, Cindy and Lee. It breaks my heart to think of her and know that not one single family member cared enough to get to the bottom of this, they all just tiptoed around Casey. Sick, sick people

 

[CurlyGirl]

OK, I guess I said that wrong. I believe George has always known from day 1 that Casey was involved (and I fully believe Cindy knows this too), what I meant by him being in denial is he wasn't saying anything like that publicly. Publicly he was saying she wasn't involved, until he was thrown under the bus and now he seems willing to admit in open that she was. I'm just wondering if it had been Cindy under that bus if it would have opened her eyes enough to admit now that Casey was involved.

Thanks for clarifying. I would tend to think, though, that Casey's attorneys instructed GA and CA to say nothing to the media about what they thought. No reason to give anyone the idea that you think your child commited this murder.

Since the trial is over with, though, GA can say what he wants and has chosen Dr. Phil's platform to inform the world of his thoughts.

I can't imagine if that were my granddaughter and covering this up, to me that just screams that Caylee was disposable to them all... George, Cindy and Lee. It breaks my heart to think of her and know that not one single family member cared enough to get to the bottom of this, they all just tiptoed around Casey. Sick, sick people

I don't know. For some reason, I imagine GA going off on Casey telling her enough of the lies, demanding the truth and Cindy going "George ... calm down. Casey already told you. What else do you want from her?" I think Cindy was far more the enabler than GA was. I think Casey didn't want GA to return to the house because she knew he wasn't as easily fooled or manipulated as Cindy was. She knew she could get away with loads more if it were just her and Cindy ... but throw GA in the mix and I think she knew she wouldn't get away with as much. CA (imo) is more likely to believe Casey's lies than GA was.

I think that GA was probably as verbal as Cindy would permit him to be with Casey. However, if she's going to tell lie upon lie, what could he do to get the truth out of her?

I truly think that CA always defended Casey, enabled her to get away with a ton of stuff, and was the one who bossed GA around and probably told him to lay off Casey.

I think Casey threw him under the bus because he didn't let her get away with stuff. It was her way of punishing him.

 

[hambirg]

Thanks for clarifying. I would tend to think, though, that Casey's attorneys instructed GA and CA to say nothing to the media about what they thought. No reason to give anyone the idea that you think your child commited this murder.

Since the trial is over with, though, GA can say what he wants and has chosen Dr. Phil's platform to inform the world of his thoughts.



I don't know. For some reason, I imagine GA going off on Casey telling her enough of the lies, demanding the truth and Cindy going "George ... calm down. Casey already told you. What else do you want from her?" I think Cindy was far more the enabler than GA was. I think Casey didn't want GA to return to the house because she knew he wasn't as easily fooled or manipulated as Cindy was. She knew she could get away with loads more if it were just her and Cindy ... but throw GA in the mix and I think she knew she wouldn't get away with as much. CA (imo) is more likely to believe Casey's lies than GA was.

I think that GA was probably as verbal as Cindy would permit him to be with Casey. However, if she's going to tell lie upon lie, what could he do to get the truth out of her?

I truly think that CA always defended Casey, enabled her to get away with a ton of stuff, and was the one who bossed GA around and probably told him to lay off Casey.

I think Casey threw him under the bus because he didn't let her get away with stuff. It was her way of punishing him.

I agree with this. I watched and it felt pretty good to hear GA say he held KC responsible. I can understand his level of denial and saying that he doesn't want to believe it, but there isn't any other logical explanations.

I just loved when they were talking about the shovel and CA can sit there and say she believes KC had something to do with putting Caylee in the woods, but what else were they going to do. Then she gives George a dirty look and says that "somebody" locked the shed "again". Really, CA?! You daughter is somehow a part of dumping your granddaughter in the woods like a piece of garbage and you make excuses, but George locks the shed and it's the crime of the century! Oy! I would have liked to have seen George slap her! What an insight into that family dynamic though!

There is something seriously wrong with CA and her level of denial and willingness to make excuses. Playing armchair psychologist, I think that she can't hold KC fully responsible, because somewhere she knows that that would make her guilty as well. Somewhere deep in her mind, she knows that KC's motivation was to get back at her. And she just can't live with that. That's the only explanation. George feels guilty, like he should have done more, but at least he can put the responsibility solely on KC. I wonder if there is something more. . .something CA knows that just prevents her from doing that out of self preservation.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I agree with this. I watched and it felt pretty good to hear GA say he held KC responsible. I can understand his level of denial and saying that he doesn't want to believe it, but there isn't any other logical explanations.

I just loved when they were talking about the shovel and CA can sit there and say she believes KC had something to do with putting Caylee in the woods, but what else were they going to do. Then she gives George a dirty look and says that "somebody" locked the shed "again". Really, CA?! You daughter is somehow a part of dumping your granddaughter in the woods like a piece of garbage and you make excuses, but George locks the shed and it's the crime of the century! Oy! I would have liked to have seen George slap her! What an insight into that family dynamic though!

There is something seriously wrong with CA and her level of denial and willingness to make excuses. Playing armchair psychologist, I think that she can't hold KC fully responsible, because somewhere she knows that that would make her guilty as well. Somewhere deep in her mind, she knows that KC's motivation was to get back at her. And she just can't live with that. That's the only explanation. George feels guilty, like he should have done more, but at least he can put the responsibility solely on KC. I wonder if there is something more. . .something CA knows that just prevents her from doing that out of self preservation.

I noticed that about Cindy giving George "the look" about locking the shed. I wonder if there was a lock on the shed in the first place because of how much Casey stole gas. And I wonder how many fights Casey and George might have had about her stealing gas.

I honestly can't figure out Cindy. It seems like she can't possibly be this naive and in denial, when the facts keep slapping her across the face, mother or not. Unless she's just not really saying what she really thinks. I wonder if part of being on the show was to put it out there to Casey (who must be watching) that she doesn't blame her just so that she can get Casey back. George isn't willing to play the game; I think Casey died along with Caylee that day in 2008, as far as he's concerned.

 

[hambirg]

I noticed that about Cindy giving George "the look" about locking the shed. I wonder if there was a lock on the shed in the first place because of how much Casey stole gas. And I wonder how many fights Casey and George might have had about her stealing gas.

I honestly can't figure out Cindy. It seems like she can't possibly be this naive and in denial, when the facts keep slapping her across the face, mother or not. Unless she's just not really saying what she really thinks. I wonder if part of being on the show was to put it out there to Casey (who must be watching) that she doesn't blame her just so that she can get Casey back. George isn't willing to play the game; I think Casey died along with Caylee that day in 2008, as far as he's concerned.

Oh, I'm sure that's why he kept the shed locked. GA is the one that always seemed to be on to KC.

I'm starting to think that CA has known for a very long time that KC was a monster and that's why she always backed off and wanted GA to back off too. Don't disturb the beast kind of thing. And now she won't believe the facts even though they are slapping her in the face, because somewhere inside she thinks it's her fault for upsetting KC and that's what caused KC to kill Caylee. It's the only way I can wrap my head around CA's seemingly crazy rationalizations for everything.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Oh, I'm sure that's why he kept the shed locked. GA is the one that always seemed to be on to KC.

I'm starting to think that CA has known for a very long time that KC was a monster and that's why she always backed off and wanted GA to back off too. Don't disturb the beast kind of thing. And now she won't believe the facts even though they are slapping her in the face, because somewhere inside she thinks it's her fault for upsetting KC and that's what caused KC to kill Caylee. It's the only way I can wrap my head around CA's seemingly crazy rationalizations for everything.

I think George and Cindy are doing now exactly what they've been doing Casey's whole life. George questioned things that Casey said/did, and Cindy glossed over everything, made excuses, and defended her. And so it continues...

And Casey knew it, every step of the way.

On The View, Joy rolleyes: ) said something about George throwing Casey under the bus. She meant that he was finally being truthful. But throwing someone under the bus is blaming someone maliciously, not just being truthful, no? As in, blaming someone for something they didn't do, or if there was equal blame, one person putting all the blame on someone else.

Also, Bozo said something in closing statements about George not even throwing himself on the sword for his own daughter. Doesn't throwing yourself on the sword for someone mean you're taking responsibility for something someone else did? And why would George do that, as a "thank you" for her throwing HIM under the bus?

 

[Wadecool]

Oh, I'm sure that's why he kept the shed locked. GA is the one that always seemed to be on to KC.

I'm starting to think that CA has known for a very long time that KC was a monster and that's why she always backed off and wanted GA to back off too. Don't disturb the beast kind of thing. And now she won't believe the facts even though they are slapping her in the face, because somewhere inside she thinks it's her fault for upsetting KC and that's what caused KC to kill Caylee. It's the only way I can wrap my head around CA's seemingly crazy rationalizations for everything.

I would not be surprised at all if that monster doesn't kill again at some point in the future.

 

[CurlyGirl]

I would not be surprised at all if that monster doesn't kill again at some point in the future.

It's only a matter of time til her butt ends up right back in the slammer again. She is "typical" of repeat criminals. She got away with it once and will think she can get away with it again. Might not be murder but it will be something serious. Look at OJ ....

 

[kellyg403]

I am with all of you, GA has always seemed to be the guy who tried to convince CA there was something seriously wrong and got sideswipped by it. I wonder sometimes if it had been Cindy that Kasey was saying molested or abused them if the ending would be different.

I didn't watch the program. Seems like a rehash of the same ole stuff. In the end, I just don't understand how the two of them can stay married. I mean, really. If I REALLY AND TRULY thought my dd did not harm her child and my dh was on National TV and in a Court of Law saying he thought she was, I would leave first thing. Come on, something is really strange here. For GA to live with someone who is that much in denial..he has to know the minute his dd comes knocking on the door he won't be thought of for one minute.

In the end it boils down to there was no accident, I have always believed she drugged that poor baby and regardless, by giving it to her she killed her. Period. No way no how was it a 'mere' accident. I just can't fathom any of it.

As for the money situation. So what she will have a judgement on her credit report, she can't by a house or get credit cards. That never bothered her in the past. She used Cindy's house and credit cards, the other girls checks...this is a total blip on the girl's radar. She has Jose making sure that any money she gets is hidden in such a way she will never repay it.

The whole thing is just bizarre and I can't stand it. That poor baby had a chance and all the Cindy tears don't make that any different.

Kelly

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I would not be surprised at all if that monster doesn't kill again at some point in the future.

And Cindy hopes that Casey gets married someday and has a family. (Could you imagine if your son brought HER home?? ) IF, and that's a HUGE "IF", Casey's whole deal was that she was experiencing some sort of post-partum psychosis (insert *I can't keep a straight face* smilie here), wouldn't you, as a mother/grandmother, be REALLY concerned about future pregnancies?

Geez, I'm sitting here trying to make sense of Cindy's thought process. Silly me.

 

[kellyg403]

And Cindy hopes that Casey gets married someday and has a family. (Could you imagine if your son brought HER home?? ) IF, and that's a HUGE "IF", Casey's whole deal was that she was experiencing some sort of post-partum psychosis (insert *I can't keep a straight face* smilie here), wouldn't you, as a mother/grandmother, be REALLY concerned about future pregnancies?

Geez, I'm sitting here trying to make sense of Cindy's thought process. Silly me.

OMG SHE SAID THAT! And here I thought I was at a loss for words before.

The saddest part of all...some mother out there will probably have to deal with this someday.

Kelly

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

OMG SHE SAID THAT! And here I thought I was at a loss for words before.

The saddest part of all...some mother out there will probably have to deal with this someday.

Kelly

This is what she said...

"I would love to see her be happy either in a career or in a family setting," Cindy Anthony said, according to a transcript provided by the show. "You know, I'd love for her to get married if she so chooses and, if she's healthy, to be able to be a mom again."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/12/ap/extras/main20105081.shtml

Healthy in the sense that they get that darn tumor out?

 

[Mosoh]

This is what she said...

"I would love to see her be happy either in a career or in a family setting," Cindy Anthony said, according to a transcript provided by the show. "You know, I'd love for her to get married if she so chooses and, if she's healthy, to be able to be a mom again."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/12/ap/extras/main20105081.shtml

Healthy in the sense that they get that darn tumor out?

and...
Cindy Anthony said she hopes her daughter gets therapy and any treatment that's required and, at some point, is able to "move on" with her life.

Anyone else thinking full frontal lobotomy?

 

[sbtrfly74]

CA will never wrap her head around the fact she's in denial. Just the fact that she thinks KC had "Postpartum schizophrenia" and something happened to her while or after she was pregnant then why in the world would she ever want her to have any more children?

Wouldn't it bring back the tumor that conveniently disappears when going to the doctors for testing

 

[LisaR]

This is what she said...

"I would love to see her be happy either in a career or in a family setting," Cindy Anthony said, according to a transcript provided by the show. "You know, I'd love for her to get married if she so chooses and, if she's healthy, to be able to be a mom again."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/12/ap/extras/main20105081.shtml

Healthy in the sense that they get that darn tumor out?

The magic tumor. It is the cause of psychotic behavior but somehow manages to evade CT scans and MRI machines.

 

[CurlyGirl]

If Monica Lewinski, who didn't murder anyone, is having a difficult time finding herself a husband and a job does Cindy Anthony really think Casey's going to have an easy time of it!? Seriously!?

Good luck with that. I don't know if there's any guy desperate enough to want her much less procreate with her! Ahhhh ... but there's always the opportunity to adopt that Irish baby complete with darling accent ...

 

[CurlyGirl]

The magic tumor. It is the cause of psychotic behavior but somehow manages to evade CT scans and MRI machines.

I bet it has an invisibility cloak ...

 

[horseshowmom]

If Monica Lewinski, who didn't murder anyone, is having a difficult time finding herself a husband and a job does Cindy Anthony really think Casey's going to have an easy time of it!? Seriously!?

Good luck with that. I don't know if there's any guy desperate enough to want her much less procreate with her! Ahhhh ... but there's always the opportunity to adopt that Irish baby complete with darling accent ...

That's exactly what I thought when I read that thread. If ML has had all the problems discussed, ICA may very well serve her sentence after all.

 

[denisem]

<snip> There is something seriously wrong with CA and her level of denial and willingness to make excuses. Playing armchair psychologist, I think that she can't hold KC fully responsible, because somewhere she knows that that would make her guilty as well. Somewhere deep in her mind, she knows that KC's motivation was to get back at her. And she just can't live with that. That's the only explanation. George feels guilty, like he should have done more, but at least he can put the responsibility solely on KC. I wonder if there is something more. . .something CA knows that just prevents her from doing that out of self preservation.

Yeah - whatever REALLY went down in the Anthony household the night before Caylee "disappeared".

 

[CurlyGirl]

Yeah - whatever REALLY went down in the Anthony household the night before Caylee "disappeared".

Oh, for sure!!!!