Cases rising or dropping by you?

[jlwhitney]

I don’t know, we need to find out. Social isolation helped tremendously here (although we still have new cases. NYC had a day with no deaths on June 5th, first time since March.

FLorida never fully locked down and our hospitals didn't get overwhelmed and something close to 50-60% of the deaths have been in nursing homes.

 

[leebee]

Dropping again in MA. We are opening very slowly and it seems to be working. The state has run about a half a million tests and is increasing testing capability each week. They seem to be really listening to the science and data behind all this and planning accordingly. Not everyone is happy, but I think the state (which has a Republican Governor in a Democratic state) is doing well overall. I wish we could see that with a lot of other states.

I feel like Charlie Baker in Mass and Andrew Cuomo in NY have been leading the charge against coronavirus, with Ned Lamont (CT) and Gavin Newsom (CA) in close support. Although I don't live there anymore, I am a Mass girl, born and bred, and am proud of my home state and their forward-thinking; even the Republican governors they elect (Baker, Weld, Romney) have been openminded thinkers, not stuck-in-a-rut party supporters. I love that Mass elects governors who represent and support the people, not the parties.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Pointing out that once the bars open and young people are let loose things are going to absolutely explode. There better be a concerted effort to get masks mainstream and "COOL" before Gen Z turns up or the second wave will be here by July & there will be no putting that genie back in the bottle. THIS is what I fear, they hook up and move around without worry. They were born into 9/11, lived through trainings for activeshooters in elementary school, they had phones since kindergarten to call 911, been through all sorts of destabilizing educational initiatives that failed, grew up without housing & financial stability due to the 2008 crisis, then have been forced to worry about medical benefits and student loans - NOW these kids lost time over a health crisis that they were told wasn't a "them" problem it's a "boomer problem" which has made them resentful and now there is another "us v them" (justified) social movement that is encouraging mass groupings. How exactly does anyone think this is going to work out when no-one is on the same page about best practices?

We'll see, I think they are being accommodating because parents are around but once they are on their own they will be tossed out the window because they aren't worried, they aren't at risk or should I say they don't see it as a risk.

No one is truly perfect but wow respectfully you come off like you have a very big chip on your shoulder regarding those who are younger. I'm unsure why and why you bring up so much stuff unrelated to the current situation .

 

[leebee]

It seems ours are increasing due mainly to nursing home outbreaks.
I honestly wish they would count all of the "institutional settings" cases separately. Those people are NOT out and about in the community so they don't portray an accurate picture of how the virus is actually affecting the community as a whole. Without those cases counted, our numbers are going down.

Good point and I agree. Something like 100 recent deaths were reported locally but 75 were in nursing homes. Our cases are going up and we are in phase 2. It is also one of the states that had armed protesters to reopen a few weeks ago.

I agree. In my town 100% of our deaths are from the nursing homes. We have a bunch of other cases but the only deaths have been there.

In our county, it's something like 85%.

BUT those nursing home residents are in contact with people who go out into the community. Even if visitors are limited, there are nurses, doctors, assistants, therapists, cooks, custodians, suppliers, all who come into contact with the nursing home environment and then other people every day. Not sure how you can deny the nursing homes having an effect on the community.

 

[chicagoshannon]

BUT those nursing home residents are in contact with people who go out into the community. Even if visitors are limited, there are nurses, doctors, assistants, therapists, cooks, custodians, suppliers, all who come into contact with the nursing home environment and then other people every day. Not sure how you can deny the nursing homes having an effect on the community.

I"m not saying that. I"m saying that 100% of deaths in my city have been in nursing homes. Didn't say no one else is getting covid just that in my particular town only those in nursing homes have died.

 

[mom2rtk]

FLorida never fully locked down and our hospitals didn't get overwhelmed and something close to 50-60% of the deaths have been in nursing homes.

How did Florida handle nursing homes? Was it the same way as the states in the Northeast where Governors required them all to accept back Covid positive patients?

 

[wenrob]

It's definitely not a generation thing. My parents are as far from Gen Z as you can get and they and their friends have plans to eat out this week, every. single. night. Restaurants JUST opened in our state and are supposed to be seated with family only.

My mom's rationale is basically that she doesn't know how many more good years they have left and she doesn't want to waste them waiting for a vaccine that may or may not get here.

Mine are 70 (mom) and 69 (stepdad) and in very frail health. Like I’m afraid a cold would take my mom out let alone Covid 19. If anyone should be staying in it’s them. But, nope. Here I am not leaving my house “protecting” them and they’re out there living it up, going out to eat, road trips with friends and posing for selfies with not a mask on one of them. I don’t say a word, they’re old enough to make decisions for themselves.

 

[mjkacmom]

FLorida never fully locked down and our hospitals didn't get overwhelmed and something close to 50-60% of the deaths have been in nursing homes.

NJ had 12,000+ deaths, Florida has 2000+ deaths, the population of NJ is 9 million, Florida is 21 million. I sure would like to know why. I have 2 friends who’s parents contracted it in an assisted living facility, both made a full recovery (in NJ 10 miles from NYC).

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I feel like Charlie Baker in Mass and Andrew Cuomo in NY have been leading the charge against coronavirus, with Ned Lamont (CT) and Gavin Newsom (CA) in close support. Although I don't live there anymore, I am a Mass girl, born and bred, and am proud of my home state and their forward-thinking; even the Republican governors they elect (Baker, Weld, Romney) have been openminded thinkers, not stuck-in-a-rut party supporters. I love that Mass elects governors who represent and support the people, not the parties.

Respectfully disagree. Newsom led the charge against this. He shut down our state first and when it wasn’t popular. When people accused him of overreacting. When NY was still encouraging their citizens to live life. NY has done a remarkable job, but give CA credit. For a state of 39.5 million people, it could have looked a lot worse.

 

[chicagoshannon]

Mine are 70 (mom) and 69 (stepdad) and in very frail health. Like I’m afraid a cold would take my mom out let alone Covid 19. If anyone should be staying in it’s them. But, nope. Here I am not leaving my house “protecting” them and they’re out there living it up, going out to eat, road trips with friends and posing for selfies with not a mask on one of them. I don’t say a word, they’re old enough to make decisions for themselves.

If they're that frail I don't blame them. If even a cold could take them out then I would want to live whatever life I had left. I hope their health gets better as 70 is really young to be that ill!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

BUT those nursing home residents are in contact with people who go out into the community. Even if visitors are limited, there are nurses, doctors, assistants, therapists, cooks, custodians, suppliers, all who come into contact with the nursing home environment and then other people every day. Not sure how you can deny the nursing homes having an effect on the community.

I do agree but if one is looking at the spread and death rate without separation (at least giving an idea of how many are from long-term facilities and other more isolated places) you may be getting a different impression of what is going on in a particular area.

You're right that workers do have the access outside of facilities but take a county that has a prison (I believe it's the worst outbreak in our state). That county (located near me) has 1,100 cases as of 6/5. Of that 835 are inmates from 1 prison. They are tracking community and prison as well as a drug and alcohol abuse center (which has 67 cases). They aren't trying to hide that community spread can and does exist (in terms of exposure) but at least they are giving more information.

In my county from long-term care facilities they have had a total of 319 cases accurate as of 6/5 and account for 56/69 of our death rate The percentage just keeps going up (now at 81.16% of our death rate in our county). Each zip code lists the number of cases but also the number of cases if you subtracted out those in the long-term care facility. One zip code has 66 cases but 53 of that is from long-term care facilities. My zip code has 116 cases but 10 of that is from long-term care facilities, the zip code next to me (both of our zip codes comprise of our city) has 121 cases but 39 of that is from long-term care facilities Spread is occurring no doubt but at least giving a more precise picture.

I *think* that was more of what the PPs were talking about because you're right it's not as if there isn't some exposure by the fact of who is working at these places but raw numbers vs more specified numbers can help give a more complete picture, at least IMO.

 

[wenrob]

If they're that frail I don't blame them. If even a cold could take them out then I would want to live whatever life I had left. I hope their health gets better as 70 is really young to be that ill!

You know what? I don’t either. But I admit it rubs me the wrong way when people imply if you don’t adhere to the strictest of their standards then you’re killing grandma. Meanwhile, grandma is partying it up.

My mom, well, she’s been rolling the dice with her health her entire life. My dad was the same (he passed at 68) albeit in a different way. What’s done is done, there’s really no turning back there.

 

[godisney14]

Respectfully disagree. Newsom led the charge against this. He shut down our state first and when it wasn’t popular. When people accused him of overreacting. When NY was still encouraging their citizens to live life. NY has done a remarkable job, but give CA credit. For a state of 39.5 million people, it could have looked a lot worse.

Newsom is now going behind the curtains IMO.
He’s been pressured politically about the reopening process and so is now punting all decision-making to local counties, who are in turn punting everything to their county health directors. But, even those health directors are swayed because they’re appointed by the county board.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Newsom is now going behind the curtains IMO.
He’s been pressured politically about the reopening process and so is now punting all decision-making to local counties, who are in turn punting everything to their county health directors. But, even those health directors are swayed because they’re appointed by the county board.

Agree to disagree. He is still offering state orders, but it wouldn’t be correct for him to make decisions across the board for all counties. There is zero reason my county should have the same rules as LA County.

But it is because of his decisive action early on that allows for these modifications to the order.

We already know that I disagree with both you and @disneychrista on the speed in which we’re opening. My county has been exceptionally slow, where it wasn’t justified. And Newsom said a month ago that we’d be moving to phase 3 by now, so it shouldn’t come as surprise that we are, nor has he changed his stance. I understand you may be personally uncomfortable with the speed and I won’t judge that, but CA not only met the original goal, it exceeded it. We continue to meet that goal. Staying locked down is not sustainable, so at some point we have to learn to live with the virus.

 

[DLgal]

Newsom is now going behind the curtains IMO.
He’s been pressured politically about the reopening process and so is now punting all decision-making to local counties, who are in turn punting everything to their county health directors. But, even those health directors are swayed because they’re appointed by the county board.

The decision making should have been at the County level from the very beginning in CA. The state is huge. Newsom was too heavy handed and it backfired. He doesn't understand the concept of balance.

 

[MrsPete]

We are not a heavy-hit area (well, I mean, compared to places like New York); we were kinda late to the ballgame -- which was fortunate for us.

But our cases are rising. I think it's because people are going out more /seem to be sick of being in and are taking more risks than they did initially.

One of the big prediction models said that June 8 would be the peak in this area. Looks like they might've been right.

 

[disneychrista]

Newsom is now going behind the curtains IMO.
He’s been pressured politically about the reopening process and so is now punting all decision-making to local counties, who are in turn punting everything to their county health directors. But, even those health directors are swayed because they’re appointed by the county board.

I applauded Newsom for making the hard decision to close the state (days after many counties already had). But now, I agree, he has given into pressure to open quicker then (I think) we should be. I do however agree with him that allowing counties should have more control over their opening schedule. My county, in rural N. Ca, has different circumstances than the larger cities in the Bay Area.

We already know that I disagree with both you and @disneychrista on the speed in which we’re opening.

And there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with others.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The decision making should have been at the County level from the very beginning in CA. The state is huge. Newsom was too heavy handed and it backfired. He doesn't understand the concept of balance.

It doesn't even need to be a state that is huge. There are various states out there where there are just stark differences between this area and that area that eventually the entire state level just doesn't make sense.

 

[wenrob]

It doesn't even need to be a state that is huge. There are various states out there where there are just stark differences between this area and that area that eventually the entire state level just doesn't make sense.

You ever want to see a great example of that have yourself a trip through the state of Nevada from one end to the other. Bring coffee though, it’s mind numbing.

 

[DLgal]

It doesn't even need to be a state that is huge. There are various states out there where there are just stark differences between this area and that area that eventually the entire state level just doesn't make sense.

That's true, but geographic size does have to be taken into account when you are talking about restricting the movement of people. An outbreak in the Bay area has very little consequence for people who live 500 miles away in San Diego, for example. It's not like you are going to have huge numbers of people moving between the two, as you might in a smaller, more compact state where people travel across county lines frequently.