CARS Well Kept Dirty Little Secret

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What I believe:

Mubs/Critic, or Mubs, or Critic, or whomever he/she/they are, has a relative or acquaintance who developed an idea about a NASCAR themed animated film.

Coming up with an idea about a NASCAR themed animated film isn't exactly something that could likely be considered unique.

Said relative/acquaintance of Mubs/Critic pitched said idea, which was likely not unique in the world, to NASCAR, in a fruitless meeting, the kind of which happens quite frequently.

The alleged harmed party should be able to produce original materials, along with names, dates, times of said meetings and presentations.

Should lawyers persue the alleged harm in question, countless pieces of evidence and depositions will back said claims.

What I do not believe, in the absence of further evidence:

That Lassiter was present for said meetings between the alleged harmed party and NASCAR.

That any acquaintance or business partner of Lassiter, or any other Pixar employee, was present at said meetings.

That any ideas, concepts or characters from the aforementioned original material was leaked to or otherwise obtained by Lassiter, or any other Pixar employee.

Conclusion:

Someone had an idea, an idea that contained similarities to Cars. Unfortunately, that person didn't have the clout, connections or ability to have their version of a somewhat common idea brought to fruition on the big screen. The Pixar big dogs with all their resources did have the ability to bring their somewhat similar version of this somewhat common idea to life. It's hard to beat the big guys in this industry, and losing to them doesn't mean anything wrong or illegal happened. Until it can be shown that Lassiter and Pixar had direct knowledge of the characters and concepts in someone else's original materials this will simply go down as one of a thousand cases where someone had an idea they couldn't get past conception, only to painfully watch someone else make tens of millions off an independently developed idea that was very similar to their own.

Give me some proof to show otherwise and I'll sit back and watch the fireworks, because Pixar should be taken to task if they truely stole the idea.
 
Mubs33 said:
This is not an adaptation of a Fairy Tale or any other movie already out there. This concept, location, character design, etc .... all directly from the original design by someone else (not Lasseter). Nascar was going to fund this project years ago before Disney, but then I guess decided to quietly "drive" the idea (which wasn't theirs) over to the big boys.

Still having problems with this statement.. Where are the copyrights to the design of the character? Character name?? Where is the copyrighted script?? Non-existant.. FAKE FAKE FAKE..
 
DisneyKidds said:
Someone had an idea, an idea that contained similarities to Cars. Unfortunately, that person didn't have the clout, connections or ability to have their version of a somewhat common idea brought to fruition on the big screen. The Pixar big dogs with all their resources did have the ability to bring their somewhat similar version of this somewhat common idea to life. It's hard to beat the big guys in this industry, and losing to them doesn't mean anything wrong or illegal happened. Until it can be shown that Lassiter and Pixar had direct knowledge of the characters and concepts in someone else's original materials this will simply go down as one of a thousand cases where someone had an idea they couldn't get past conception, only to painfully watch someone else make tens of millions off an independently developed idea that was very similar to their own.
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This reminds me of the Us Patent Office commercial

It shows a guy watching people roller blading and the guy says "THAT WAS MY IDEA FIRST" then he shows his crappy version of Rollerblades, I just laugh every time I see that commercial.

How many times have you seen a product and though THAT WAS MY IDEA!!.... (I swear I thought up the "Good Grips" kitchen utensiles

well unless companies have microchips planted in all of our brains, it is always possible that someone though of it also, GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE
 

Mubs33 said:
You've obvioulsy already made up your minds. But let others decide for themselves.

How about we all let a court of competent jurisdiction decide this when they are presented with all of the facts, and not just one sided slander from someone "on the inside"??

It's just a thought.....
 
A_Real_Critic said:
1) One of the key features of his movie was, unlike "My Mother the Car" or "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang," cars that has moving mouths.

Yea, Disney has never thought of this, putting faces on clocks, teacups, or trees......
 
Always fun to visit here from my usual forums.

One question for the Original Poster.

I realize you won't/can't provide real details. But, can you at least say when the allegedly injured party pitched their idea to NASCAR (quarter and year would suffice, e.g., spring 2003).

Also, you might want to take a look at one of the "Brave Little Toaster" movies which has a junk-yard sequence filled with old automobiles singing about their former lives along with the "Little Blue Coupe" which is one of Disney's sweeter shorts.
 
Back in Grade School I wrote a story about a child’s toys coming to life and conversing with one another when no one was around. I received an A on this paper and it soon caught the attention of Disney executives. Couple week’s later three men in black suits came into my room. They beat me unmercifully with plush Piglets and demanded I reveal the location of my paper. A few years later Toy Story came out in theaters. My idea was used by Disney to make millions of dollars.

Don’t believe me; well let me take the following quiz:

1) What color is Piglet?
2) What did they serve in my school cafeteria the day prior to the Piglet beating?
3) How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
 
MasterShake said:
Back in Grade School I wrote a story about a child’s toys coming to life and conversing with one another when no one was around.

A few years later Toy Story came out in theaters. My idea was used by Disney to make millions of dollars.

Don’t believe me; well let me take the following quiz:

1) What color is Piglet?
2) What did they serve in my school cafeteria the day prior to the Piglet beating?
3) How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

HA HA!! This makes as much sense as the OP!!!
 
Ohhh, so close!!!!

Number 2: The answer I was looking for was Turkey Gravy and Mashed Potato's.

I guess your just not a true insider like me. :clown:
 
I can see a few good points have been made.

A few years ago, I thought up a story treatment about the President of the United States being a bachelor (no First Lady in the picture). About two years later, Rob Reiner came out with the wonderful "American President," which was about a widowed President. Since I had put nothing on paper, in a computer or filed anything with the writer's guild, it was simply a case of someone with a similar idea getting to the market first.

The situation with "Cars" is different and that's why I contributed to this thread in the first place. With the evidence I presented, I can't make a strong case on this board, so you may dismiss me as a crackpot if that makes you happy.

And I am not MUBS33, but I did kidnap the Lindbergh baby and I was the second shooter on the grassy knoll (Look in the Zapruder film--I'm the guy in the bushes waving a gun).
 
Unless they can prove that someone was exposed to an exact idea there is no case. We are talking copyrights here, not patents; two people coming up with the same idea can both copyright it, as long as it was developed independently. And of course this happens all the time in Hollywood, heck they had two movies about the first daughter falling for her security guard scheduled to come out on the same day with the same name.
 
A_Real_Critic said:
The situation with "Cars" is different and that's why I contributed to this thread in the first place. With the evidence I presented, I can't make a strong case on this board, so you may dismiss me as a crackpot if that makes you happy.

Why post this on a discussion board if you weren't going to provide the information to at least attempt to support your claim?

Why not wait for the court filings and adjudication to make your point? Other than start a slander campaign, what has been accomplished?

If you and Mubs33 are not one in the same, who did you both happen to join and post at the same time? Just coincidence?

Maybe you're not one in the same, but you both have the same motives, whatever they might be...
 
on this board? Can you give specific examples?

I just offered some details and left it up to you and the others to decide what they think is true or false.
 
A_Real_Critic said:
I just offered some details and left it up to you and the others to decide what they think is true or false.

You didn't offer details. Instead, you gave a vague statement of something that may or may not have happened.

All anyone asked for was some proof, but neither you nor Mubs provided that. All he/you did was say that we should believe what you say, but don't back up the statements. I am perfectly willing to believe what you both say, if you can provide something, anything that supports your statements. Is that too much to ask?

I do think it is completely unfair to try and discredit Disney, Pixar, or anyone supposedly involved in the theft, unless proof is provided. They can sue you for defamation; are you aware of that?

Plus, as it has been stated previously Disney wasn't party to the making of Cars. So, to be angry with them is absurd. Yes, they are releasing the movie now, but what are they supposed to do? IF this supposed theft did in fact take place, maybe Disney has no knowledge of it.

We are reasonable people here and I think that if proof was provided then we would be in your corner. However, until that occurs, lay off.
 
In any of my posts, when did I slander/accuse anyone of anything? I pointed out a scenario that I know for a fact occured. I did not mention anything about anyone stealing anything.

And I'm not asking anyone to believe anything. As Chuck Berry says "It's a free country, baby. Live like you want to live."

As for defamation of character, the only instances of that I see on this thread are other posters attacking my character.
 
A_Real_Critic said:
In any of my posts, when did I slander/accuse anyone of anything? I pointed out a scenario that I know for a fact occured. I did not mention anything about anyone stealing anything.

The only way for you to know it for a fact is for you to be the person the intelectual property or ideas were stolen from, as you alledge occurred.

If it wasn't your idea, than what your facts consist of is hearsay, which is far from fact.

You acuse Disney and Pixar of stealing the idea of the talking car and premise of the movie. If proven to be unture, it is slander. I'm sorry you can't see that

I ask again, why start this here on an internet discussion board instead of a civil court with jurisdiction over the matter? Makes no sense...
 
specific examples of when I said anything about stealing. In my second post, I outlined a scenario and mentioned Pixar (not Disney), and just pointed out the similarities between one project and another. Things I did not write are being attributed to me.

I've reviewed all my posts and nowhere do I accuse anyone of anything. If the moderator of this forum finds what I have typed to be offensive, then it will be removed
 
A_Real_Critic said:
1) My relative followed standard procedure, including copyrighting his intellectual property, and, we believe, had his concept stolen.


This is the statement to which I was referring.

And your "facts" shared within the family remain hearsay and of no value when trying to prove or disprove your position.
 
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