Carnival Liberty engine room fire

[truck1]

That was the official statement yes..........more to the point,it saved Carnival a lot of money.

AKK

True but it also sold ed the problem of how do you get people across the border in a timely manner, without much hassle. The added advantage was it did save them money and agrevation, not to mention security in one of the not most honest places in the world.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

True but it also sold ed the problem of how do you get people across the border in a timely manner, without much hassle. The added advantage was it did save them money and agrevation, not to mention security in one of the not most honest places in the

I found the risk they took in keeping the passengers onboard was not wise. 2 extra days, weather could change fast, no control on the vessel. She start to roll and pitch........There could have been many injuries.

AKK

 

[truck1]

The latest is that the ship is scheduled to depart later this week under her own power. Right now she has a severe speed limitation which would prevent her from making any ports In a reasonable amount of time. I'm be beginning to wonder about the explanation on the 3 engines. It's sounding more like a propulsion issue then a main engine issue.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

She has props if I am not mistaken....and Diesel Electric........she has had problems in the past and is a sister of the Triumph. LOL....which basically adds up to anything is the problem now!

If she down to 3 engines, one is needed for ships service and that leaves 2 for propolusion.

It could also be a electrical problem where the fire burned out or limited the output of the gensets.

 

[ilovetexas]

Well, now it's just the logistical nightmare of getting all those cruisers back to San Juan. Carnival has flows guest services people from Miami to the ship to help. The CC thread blew up from 25 to 45 pages overnight, I'm not about to read all that! I just filtered out the posts by pauleydm and read those. They're saying Liberty will be ready as scheduled for the next cruise so who knows what's wrong. Probably waiting on parts/skills to fix whatever it is.

I don't care, I'm still looking forward to my cruise on Sunshine next spring. If I get stuck in St Kitts, St Lucia or Barbados, so be it! Although, maybe I should get that Yellow Fever shot just in case...

 

[C6PT7]

well nothing like a well designed and proper instillation. That is really poor. That is about the size of a normal Emergency generator, not big enough to run the liberty at full service.

I do not know the kVa output or how many they have installed on the decks. I just read about them in a review and found this picture on Google.

 

[C6PT7]

if this proves true, it could be interesting....

cruisinkid

Cool Cruiser

Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 82

Tired of the speculation
The Liberty was my home for 4 months, I however do notwork for CCL anymore, but I still have a lot of friends that do and I know exactly what is happeningon that ship minute for minute.

Yes there was a fire, was it really a small one? They don't know.

Yes they are letting people of the ship to enjoy St. Thomas more.

Yes they are flying people home on chartered aircraft, because there are not a lot of commercial flights that come in to St. Thomas on a daily basis that could accommodate over 3,000 pax. Today 800 guests will be flown home,and this will continue until all the pax are off the ship. How long that will take, I don't know.

The compensation package is $150 on the SS Card, refund of the cruise and 50% off of another cruise in the future.

As far as crew, they are staying put and working altered shifts to entertain the guests that remain.

The ship will not leave St. Thomas until all guests are cleared. That's also if the USCG allows the ship to sail back to San Juan. I have heard that they will be tugged back to San Juan for further repairs. Nobody knows how long this will take and if the crew will stay on board or be sent elsewhere until the ship is fixed.

Latest: the engine that caught on fire also has 3 more engines in the same fire zone as the one that went up, so it is not safe for them to use the 3 engines in case another one goes up, then all 3 remaining engines could go up at the same time which would be catastrophic

These are the facts as I know them coming from crew members that are on board..
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[C6PT7]

She has props if I am not mistaken....and Diesel Electric........she has had problems in the past and is a sister of the Triumph. LOL....which basically adds up to anything is the problem now!

If she down to 3 engines, one is needed for ships service and that leaves 2 for propolusion.

It could also be a electrical problem where the fire burned out or limited the output of the gensets.

Builder:

• Fincantieri
• Monfalcone, Italy

Cost: US $500 million
Sponsored by: Mira Sorvino
Christened: July 19, 2005
Maiden voyage: July 20, 2005[1]
In service: July 2005–present
Identification:

• Call sign: HPYE
• IMO number: 9278181
• MMSI number: 371083000

Status: In service

General characteristics
Class and type: Conquest-class cruise ship
Tonnage: 110,000 GT
Length: 952 ft (290.2 m)
Beam: 116 ft (35.4 m)
Draft: 27 ft (8.2 m)[2]
Decks: 13 decks[2]
Installed power: 2 diesel-electric propellers (63,400kW each)[2][clarification needed]
Speed: 22.5 knots (41.7 km/h; 25.9 mph)[2]
Capacity: 2,974 passengers
Crew: 1,160
Notes: post-Panamax

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Well, now it's just the logistical nightmare of getting all those cruisers back to San Juan. Carnival has flows guest services people from Miami to the ship to help. The CC thread blew up from 25 to 45 pages overnight, I'm not about to read all that! I just filtered out the posts by pauleydm and read those. They're saying Liberty will be ready as scheduled for the next cruise so who knows what's wrong. Probably waiting on parts/skills to fix whatever it is.

I don't care, I'm still looking forward to my cruise on Sunshine next spring. If I get stuck in St Kitts, St Lucia or Barbados, so be it! Although, maybe I should get that Yellow Fever shot just in case...

Well Texas if your going to be stuck somewhere..those are good places!


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

As of this morning at 0700 she was still at the dock... Funny, sources seems very quiet about what was the cause and extent of the fire.

Any word on where she will be heading? A Port of call or yard?


AKK

 

[truck1]

if this proves true, it could be interesting....

cruisinkid

Cool Cruiser

Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 82

Tired of the speculation
The Liberty was my home for 4 months, I however do notwork for CCL anymore, but I still have a lot of friends that do and I know exactly what is happeningon that ship minute for minute.

Yes there was a fire, was it really a small one? They don't know.

Yes they are letting people of the ship to enjoy St. Thomas more.

Yes they are flying people home on chartered aircraft, because there are not a lot of commercial flights that come in to St. Thomas on a daily basis that could accommodate over 3,000 pax. Today 800 guests will be flown home,and this will continue until all the pax are off the ship. How long that will take, I don't know.

The compensation package is $150 on the SS Card, refund of the cruise and 50% off of another cruise in the future.

As far as crew, they are staying put and working altered shifts to entertain the guests that remain.

The ship will not leave St. Thomas until all guests are cleared. That's also if the USCG allows the ship to sail back to San Juan. I have heard that they will be tugged back to San Juan for further repairs. Nobody knows how long this will take and if the crew will stay on board or be sent elsewhere until the ship is fixed.

Latest: the engine that caught on fire also has 3 more engines in the same fire zone as the one that went up, so it is not safe for them to use the 3 engines in case another one goes up, then all 3 remaining engines could go up at the same time which would be catastrophic

These are the facts as I know them coming from crew members that are on board..
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That makes no sense what so ever. If that's the case the CG would have already said the ship isn't going anywhere, even with a tug, and wouldn't have let the crew and passengers onboard even tied to the pier.

 

[truck1]

Heres the latest update from John Heald.

The Carnival Liberty continues to remain in St. Thomas following an engine fire that occurred on Monday, Sept. 7, while the ship was docked there during a scheduled port of call visit. Guests are in the process of being flown home from St. Thomas. Several hundred were transported from St. Thomas yesterday and charter flights will continue throughout the day today to a variety of destinations within the U.S. based on where ...guests live. Charter flights are being utilized based on the limited availability of commercial flights.
Carnival Liberty will depart St. Thomas once the U.S. Coast Guard has fully completed their activities on board. All future cruises, including the next voyage departing Sunday, September 13, are scheduled to operate as planned.
All guests are being provided with a full refund of their cruise as well as a 50 percent discount on a future cruise. This is in addition to a $150 per person credit that has already been applied to guests’ shipboard accounts.
There were no injuries to guests or crew as a result of the fire which was extinguished by the ship’s automated suppression system. All hotel services including air conditioning, elevators, toilets, galleys, etc. are fully functional and the ship's normal array of activities, entertainment, dining options and programming are being offered. All guests are being accommodated on board until their scheduled charter flights depart and are free to enjoy the beaches, shopping, watersports and variety of activities available in St. Thomas.
We apologize to our guests for this unexpected disruption to their vacation and the inconvenience they are experiencing.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

More likely the USCG is awaiting the reports and recommendations and thereports of the various inspectors, engineers and surveyors.

She will not receive a release to sail until the USCG is satisfied all safety and operational repairs recommended by the experts is completed and plans are made to complete any other repairs.

These could be done underway to San Juan, later or a variance to next shipyard period could be granted.

AKK

 

[truck1]

That or there waiting on the last guest to depart to ferry the ship empty to San Juan.

 

[kittymamma]

To truck1 and Tonka's Skipper.... since I started reading these Boards, I have seen numerous posts from the two of you that indicate an immense knowledge about Maritime issues. I for one rely on your expertise and know that I can depend on what you say as fact, not some blow hard trying to sound well versed. May I ask your background. Perhaps this is known to the more seasoned member but I am respectfully curious. Thanks for keeping us informed (correctly).

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

That or there waiting on the last guest to depart to ferry the ship empty to San Juan.

All true! I was thinking Heard would have said that the next cruise was cancelled, if they knew a tow was the way she would get to San Juan. However Truck you are right...they could just be keeping everything quiet.

AKK

 

[DynamicDisneyDuo]

All future cruises, including the next voyage departing Sunday, September 13, are scheduled to operate as planned.

I'm guessing there's going to be changes to that plan. I don't know anything about marine engines but I would think getting the damaged engine repaired/replaced will take longer than 3 days and probably needs to be done in a proper shipyard. I guess they could try to sail with only 3 but wouldn't that affect performance?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

To truck1 and Tonka's Skipper.... since I started reading these Boards, I have seen numerous posts from the two of you that indicate an immense knowledge about Maritime issues. I for one rely on your expertise and know that I can depend on what you say as fact, not some blow hard trying to sound well versed. May I ask your background. Perhaps this is known to the more seasoned member but I am respectfully curious. Thanks for keeping us informed (correctly).

Hello Kitty,

No secrets, my back ground is listed in the profile. I am a retired licensed Merchant Marine deck Officer, graduating from SUNY Maritime College with a BS in Transportation Management and a few courses toward my Masters, which I am sad to say I never finished. I sailed mostly Tankers, but also dry cargo and oil industry. Also a retired US Naval Reserve Officer. I came ashore in 83 when the Tanker market collapsed and stayed as I wanted to see my Kids grow up and be DAD! I am a firm believer in any guy can be a Father, but it takes a special person to be a Dad and all that is required of that position.

I joined a Marine surveying firm becoming a Cargo/ Marine/ hull and machinery surveyor, that basically means I am called out to the inspect cargo damage, ship damage, accident investigations. Also over the road. Railroad and some air cargo damage. I determine extent of loss, cause and work to minimize losses and that have the joy of writing out a long winded dissertation.

I work for many companies, marine, and other transportation, owners, charters, cargo owners and various insurance companies.

I on occasion lecture for some of my customers on requested subjects.

Lastly a WALT DISNEY fan and admirer.




I of course will let Truck speak for himself, but I know he is a First Responder that speaks for itself and a very knowledgeable fellow!


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I'm guessing there's going to be changes to that plan. I don't know anything about marine engines but I would think getting the damaged engine repaired/replaced will take longer than 3 days and probably needs to be done in a proper shipyard. I guess they could try to sail with only 3 but wouldn't that affect performance?

Hello DDD,

I agree, the very fact, that things seems to be being kept quiet may indeed mean anything can happen.

The liberty has 5 diesel electric main engines, with 2 connected up to each shaft/prop, and one for vessel/Hotel service. The power can be redistributed as required but we don't know what damage or restrictions the fire may have caused. I believe she could move on her own with only 1 engine on each prop, but that would be at a very slow rate of speed and the safety issues would have to be determined.

If they decide to tow her, there is no tugs large enough in the St. Thomas area, so they would have to order likely 2 tugs, from Freeport, or San Juan or maybe NASSUA, which may have already happened and they are on their way to St. Thomas.

I would think by tonight or tomorrow I would think we will learn what is to happen.


AKK

 

[OKW Lover]

and lets not forget the Costa Concordia....33 lives lost..........all because of the playboy captain

I'm intrigued by this comment. Although an entirely different type of incident, I wonder if this (along with all the others) points to a systemic problem with Carnival Corp and their standards for their Masters. I know that accidents happen, but would a more strict Master and ChEng have caught problems before they happened?