francis6306
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Just checking on you!!! Hope everything is going well! 
Can't Plan for Baby? Better Plan for Disney! -- PTR
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Ha! I am recapping a previous trip that I never did a TR about. You should go there! They are huge, so we only got a few, but it was fun to try a variety!
Just read through your entire trip report so far. Your title drew me in because it has totally been my philosophy in life these past 7 years. Isn't Disney awesome for cheering you up in your darkest times?. I've been in your situation...many IUIs (1 miscarriage) followed by many unsuccessful IVFs before I finally decided my body was done. We adopted our DS in 2008 and he was truly meant to be our child. Started a 2nd adoption in 2010 and were a couple months away from our 2nd child when I found out I was pregnant. I tell you all of this because if you want a family, you WILL have one, one way or the other. It's really hard to see/feel that when you're in the midst of all the madness.
Anyway...I do so love crunching the Disney numbers. And, we too have been saving the SWA points for our 2013 trip. I'll have to check out those surveys you were talking about! Thanks for the tip.
I'm off to subscribe to your thread. Can't wait to hear more about your life, both in and out of Disney!
Thanks for the support! I appreciate it. We are taking a long break now, just so we can focus on this upcoming trip. We just feel a bit hopeless about either option (pregnancy and adoption), so maybe in a few months we will be ready to reevaluate our choices. =)
Just checking on you!!! Hope everything is going well!
I am doing well! It's been awhile since I was on the Dis, looking forward to getting caught up!
I didn't think it was boring, they keep you entertained as they set up the next stunt. I don't know that a small child would love it, but the girls found the information interesting!
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Sorry for the ridiculously long break. August and most of September pretty much sucked. My little sister is pregnant again, and my husband's former best friend's wife is pregnant as well. I say former because they "broke up."
Naturally we had a hard time, as their announcement came out of the blue and his friend never wanted to be a dad. They can't seem to understand why this fertility stuff is so difficult for us, and why we are so "selfish" and why I am starting to be vocal about our issues on our blog and my Facebook page.
They didn't want to hear about our trial, therefore they couldn't be truly supportive, so we walked away from the relationship. We gave them many opportunities to learn more about what we are going through, how it affects us, understand how to be supportive, etc.
Even after apologizing for the reaction we had to their announcement (which really wasn't something to apologize for, since we reacted poorly in the comfort of our home, and the only thing we did "wrong" was tell him that he shouldn't have called Evan and work and should have waiting until Evan told me so that I didn't find out on FB), they remained angry with us.
It is difficult because Evan was friends with him for over 10 years and they talked on the phone several times a week. It basically sent Evan into a downward spiral and he realized that he has been so worried about me and my feelings over the years that he never processed his own. He is getting better, though, and I am helping as much as I can.
Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled PTR:
Pricing the Moderates:
Lets get this show on the road! Today I priced out our options for moderate rooms.
For the moderates, we are looking at the following room configurations and 2013 ages.
DSis (Wendi)Bryant (9), Sara (6), Benjamin (2)Two Queens
DBIL (Doug)Emma (12), Alyssa (8), Kaelyn (4)Two Queens
Me and DHKing Room?
We could eliminate the King room option if we need the extra cash. It is $300 more for the King Room. It would be nice to have, since it gives us more floor space in the room and we can store things like strollers in our room. However, if it comes down to king room vs another experience for the kids (like Pirates League), Evan and I are open to having two queens.
Things taken into account while pricing these options:
POFQ is the only moderate where we have stayed. POFQ has Standard, Garden, Water and River View rooms. The price difference between these options is crazy! For example, the price difference between Standard and River is $371.25! I am only going to price out a Standard room at POFQ, since the rooms are all the same, it is a small resort, and the view doesnt mean much to me. =)
If we were to stay at POR, I would want either a preferred location (closer to the main buildings), or a Royal Guest Room. Preferred rooms are located in a few of the Alligator Bayou section and a couple of the mansion section. Royal Guest Rooms are just in the mansion section of the resort.
The two rooms that interest me at CBR are both the preferred location and the pirate rooms. Close to the main buildings or an extra awesome themed room is what I would pay extra for. These are the same prices as the POR preferred location and the special room.
We would probably want a preferred location at CSR! This resort is huge and I would love to be near the Main Building. However, I am also pricing a standard room.
The nice thing about packages is that the website does all the calculations for you!
Here are the options from least expensive to most expensive.
These prices include: hotel, deluxe dining plan, tickets, airfare. I priced out two different weeks in October. These are the prices with NO discounts, so dont be too freaked out. We can definitely do things cheaper!
Just so you know, here is the dining information for 2013. We can dine cheaper, of course, but I cant imagine us dining more expensively than the deluxe plan. I figure it is better to overestimate what we need. =)
Here is the 2013 dining plan information:
Regular Dining Plan:
5 Adults: $56 x 11 nights = $3080
4 Children: $17 x 11 nights = $748
----------------------------------- $3828
Deluxe Dining Plan:
5 Adults: $100 x 11 nights = $5500
4 Children: $27 x 11 nights = 1188
----------------------------------- $6688
I priced out a trip that goes from Monday to the following Friday (11 nights). Since the school calendar isnt up yet, I priced out two different two week period.
Regular Prices: September 30- October 11
From least expensive to most expensive.
Standard Room POFQ or POR or CBR: $20,657
CSR Standard: $20,843
POR or CSR Preferred: $21,275
POR Royal Room or CBR Pirate: $21,510
CSR Preferred: $21,584
Regular Prices: October 7- October 18
Same thing hereleast expensive to most expensive.
POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $20,808
CSR Standard: $20,995
POR/CSR Preferred: $21,427
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $21,615
CSR Preferred: $21,738
Okay, lets talk discounts. In 2012 the last day for the free dining discount was 9/29. They had a free dining discount come out for early Oct, but it would be nice to get the pricing squared away in May (as opposed to Aug/Sept).
Since free dining ended on 9/29 this year, I chose the corresponding date in 2013 (9/30) and I only priced out one of the two-week periods mentioned previously.
I calculated free dining discount by taking the package prices mentioned above and subtracting the cost of the regular dining plan for 11 nights. I then added the differential between the regular and deluxe plans ($2860).
Free Dining: September 30- October 11
POFQ/Standard POR/CBR: $16,829
CSR Standard: $17,015
POR/CSR Preferred: $17,447
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $17,682
CSR Preferred: $17,756
The free dining prices look a little better than the regular prices, dont they?
AP Discount (30% Moderate)
I then decided to price a room only discount using last years Annual Passholder (AP) discount30% for values and moderates, 40% for deluxe.
The official rule is that you can only book one discounted room per AP. However, some people have reported that some cast members dont know about this rule, and that they were able to book up to three discounted rooms with one AP.
Eight, 10 day base tickets from the undercover tourist website would be $2,558. The annual pass would be $612.00. Total of $3,170 for tickets.
11 nights of the deluxe dining plan would equal $6,688 and plane tickets would be $4,050. Everything but the room would be $13,908.
Regular Prices: September 30- October 11
POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,554 (Room Only, $4646)
POR/CSR Preferred: $19,203 (Room Only, $5295)
CSR Standard: $19,333 (Room Only, $5425)
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,333 (Room Only, $5425)
CSR Preferred: $19,593 (Room Only, $5685)
Regular Prices: October 7- October 18
POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,659 (Room Only, $4751)
POR/CSR Preferred: $19,310(Room Only, $5402)
CSR Standard: $19,440 (Room Only, $5532)
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,440 (Room Only, $5532)
CSR Preferred: $19,698 (Room Only, $5790)
Long story short: If we do the moderate route, the cheapest way is with free dining. That isnt guaranteed, though, and we wont find out if free dining will be offered until May. We will want to book before then, though, and we can always add the discount when it is released.
I am interested to see what the cost of renting DVC points will be, as well as the cost of two AoA suites. I still want to look into a small DVC resale as well. Why not spend an extra few grand and have a place to stay for the next 40-45 years?
Naturally we had a hard time, as their announcement came out of the blue and his friend never wanted to be a dad. They can't seem to understand why this fertility stuff is so difficult for us, and why we are so "selfish" and why I am starting to be vocal about our issues on our blog and my Facebook page.
They didn't want to hear about our trial, therefore they couldn't be truly supportive, so we walked away from the relationship. We gave them many opportunities to learn more about what we are going through, how it affects us, understand how to be supportive, etc.
Even after apologizing for the reaction we had to their announcement (which really wasn't something to apologize for, since we reacted poorly in the comfort of our home, and the only thing we did "wrong" was tell him that he shouldn't have called Evan and work and should have waiting until Evan told me so that I didn't find out on FB), they remained angry with us.
It is difficult because Evan was friends with him for over 10 years and they talked on the phone several times a week. It basically sent Evan into a downward spiral and he realized that he has been so worried about me and my feelings over the years that he never processed his own. He is getting better, though, and I am helping as much as I can.
Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled PTR:
Pricing the Moderates:
Lets get this show on the road! Today I priced out our options for moderate rooms.
For the moderates, we are looking at the following room configurations and 2013 ages.
DSis (Wendi)Bryant (9), Sara (6), Benjamin (2)Two Queens
DBIL (Doug)Emma (12), Alyssa (8), Kaelyn (4)Two Queens
Me and DHKing Room?
We could eliminate the King room option if we need the extra cash. It is $300 more for the King Room. It would be nice to have, since it gives us more floor space in the room and we can store things like strollers in our room. However, if it comes down to king room vs another experience for the kids (like Pirates League), Evan and I are open to having two queens.
Things taken into account while pricing these options:
POFQ is the only moderate where we have stayed. POFQ has Standard, Garden, Water and River View rooms. The price difference between these options is crazy! For example, the price difference between Standard and River is $371.25! I am only going to price out a Standard room at POFQ, since the rooms are all the same, it is a small resort, and the view doesnt mean much to me. =)
If we were to stay at POR, I would want either a preferred location (closer to the main buildings), or a Royal Guest Room. Preferred rooms are located in a few of the Alligator Bayou section and a couple of the mansion section. Royal Guest Rooms are just in the mansion section of the resort.
The two rooms that interest me at CBR are both the preferred location and the pirate rooms. Close to the main buildings or an extra awesome themed room is what I would pay extra for. These are the same prices as the POR preferred location and the special room.
We would probably want a preferred location at CSR! This resort is huge and I would love to be near the Main Building. However, I am also pricing a standard room.
The nice thing about packages is that the website does all the calculations for you!
Here are the options from least expensive to most expensive. These prices include: hotel, deluxe dining plan, tickets, airfare. I priced out two different weeks in October. These are the prices with NO discounts, so dont be too freaked out. We can definitely do things cheaper!
Just so you know, here is the dining information for 2013. We can dine cheaper, of course, but I cant imagine us dining more expensively than the deluxe plan. I figure it is better to overestimate what we need. =)
Here is the 2013 dining plan information:
Regular Dining Plan:
5 Adults: $56 x 11 nights = $3080
4 Children: $17 x 11 nights = $748
----------------------------------- $3828
Deluxe Dining Plan:
5 Adults: $100 x 11 nights = $5500
4 Children: $27 x 11 nights = 1188
----------------------------------- $6688
I priced out a trip that goes from Monday to the following Friday (11 nights). Since the school calendar isnt up yet, I priced out two different two week period.
Regular Prices: September 30- October 11
From least expensive to most expensive.
Standard Room POFQ or POR or CBR: $20,657
CSR Standard: $20,843
POR or CSR Preferred: $21,275
POR Royal Room or CBR Pirate: $21,510
CSR Preferred: $21,584
Regular Prices: October 7- October 18
Same thing hereleast expensive to most expensive.
POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $20,808
CSR Standard: $20,995
POR/CSR Preferred: $21,427
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $21,615
CSR Preferred: $21,738
Okay, lets talk discounts. In 2012 the last day for the free dining discount was 9/29. They had a free dining discount come out for early Oct, but it would be nice to get the pricing squared away in May (as opposed to Aug/Sept).
Since free dining ended on 9/29 this year, I chose the corresponding date in 2013 (9/30) and I only priced out one of the two-week periods mentioned previously.
I calculated free dining discount by taking the package prices mentioned above and subtracting the cost of the regular dining plan for 11 nights. I then added the differential between the regular and deluxe plans ($2860).
Free Dining: September 30- October 11
POFQ/Standard POR/CBR: $16,829
CSR Standard: $17,015
POR/CSR Preferred: $17,447
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $17,682
CSR Preferred: $17,756
The free dining prices look a little better than the regular prices, dont they?
AP Discount (30% Moderate)
I then decided to price a room only discount using last years Annual Passholder (AP) discount30% for values and moderates, 40% for deluxe.
The official rule is that you can only book one discounted room per AP. However, some people have reported that some cast members dont know about this rule, and that they were able to book up to three discounted rooms with one AP.
Eight, 10 day base tickets from the undercover tourist website would be $2,558. The annual pass would be $612.00. Total of $3,170 for tickets.
11 nights of the deluxe dining plan would equal $6,688 and plane tickets would be $4,050. Everything but the room would be $13,908.
Regular Prices: September 30- October 11
POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,554 (Room Only, $4646)
POR/CSR Preferred: $19,203 (Room Only, $5295)
CSR Standard: $19,333 (Room Only, $5425)
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,333 (Room Only, $5425)
CSR Preferred: $19,593 (Room Only, $5685)
Regular Prices: October 7- October 18
POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,659 (Room Only, $4751)
POR/CSR Preferred: $19,310(Room Only, $5402)
CSR Standard: $19,440 (Room Only, $5532)
POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,440 (Room Only, $5532)
CSR Preferred: $19,698 (Room Only, $5790)
Long story short: If we do the moderate route, the cheapest way is with free dining. That isnt guaranteed, though, and we wont find out if free dining will be offered until May. We will want to book before then, though, and we can always add the discount when it is released.
I am interested to see what the cost of renting DVC points will be, as well as the cost of two AoA suites. I still want to look into a small DVC resale as well. Why not spend an extra few grand and have a place to stay for the next 40-45 years?
francis6306
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I am so sorry that your friends weren't more gentle in their news. I had a friend that I knew was in the middle of the struggle, and I sent her a private message on facebook a few days before I made it public. I actually waited until she responded before I posted it on FB, and we weren't all that close. But I just wanted to make sure she saw my message. Anyway, I have several friends that have struggled, so I know to be gentle when I know about it. It's not like they didn't know that this was a soft spot for you! But the silver lining, is that your husband can focus on his feelings now. 
All that math!! haha! I'm hoping for a good AP discount for next year, because my BFF is planning on getting one this year and we are planning a girl's trip in April!
All that math!! haha! I'm hoping for a good AP discount for next year, because my BFF is planning on getting one this year and we are planning a girl's trip in April!
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I'm so sorry about your friends and how they hurt you. I know how insensitive people can be. I also know things will work out in the end for you and that you will be carrying that little bundle down Main Street before you know it! My friend just lost twin girls and it's hard to know what to say when a friend is hurting but know that if you need someone, we're always here. 
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It really stinks when people aren't sensitive to what you're going through/have gone through. I think that, sometimes, people who have no trouble getting pregnant have a hard time understanding those of us who have a hard time of it. I'm glad you're taking a break from it all. Time helps clear your head a little and help you see what direction you want to take this. I hope everything works out for you.
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Paula, I am so sorry that you are having to deal with some insensitive people. People really don't get it, do they? Even though I didn't have to struggle for long this time, I was still very sensitive to pregnancies after my diagnosis. When Miguel told me his cousin's girlfriend had gotten pregnant on accident, it was hard, but I dealt with it. When we found out his brother's girlfriend of less than a year was also pregnant unexpectedly, I lost it. I hope your break will help to clear your mind and give you some renewed hope.
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Paula, I am so sorry that you are having to deal with some insensitive people. People really don't get it, do they? Even though I didn't have to struggle for long this time, I was still very sensitive to pregnancies after my diagnosis. When Miguel told me his cousin's girlfriend had gotten pregnant on accident, it was hard, but I dealt with it. When we found out his brother's girlfriend of less than a year was also pregnant unexpectedly, I lost it. I hope your break will help to clear your mind and give you some renewed hope.
I had the same problem, but I am not so vocal about it. My husband's sister "accidentally" got pregnant. She was suppose to be on bed rest but instead she was going to parties and going out all the time, using it as a vacation. She gave birth prematurely and was in the hospital for several days. At one point I was just crying and refusing to go to visit her because it was her own fault for being in the hospital. She didn't listen to the doctors and so ended up paying for it with a lot of time in the hospital and a surgery.
Same thing with my husband's cousin, who gave premature birth at 18 (shotgun wedding) and lost the baby. Then immediately got pregnant again, even though the doctor told her not too and that it was dangerous. She completely ignored them and then gave birth 3 months early, the baby barely made it, was in the hospital for a long time and still looks like he is having developmental issues.
It drove me crazy, that here I am trying so hard to get pregnant, going through endless medications and treatments and nothing works. We are ready, I am almost 30, I want it so badly but nothing works. Everyone around me just has no problem getting pregnant and sometimes I just get fed up and completely angry.
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Paula... I'm so sorry.
It's so frustrating to be so entrenched and deal with all the emotions that come with the process of trying to become a parent. It's even harder when the people you count on the most can't respect or try to understand your feelings.
Unfortunately some people think an experience of having to wait a few months to conceive (even though an RE won't see you unless you have a diagnosis or have been actively trying for 12 months) is the same as going through IF treatment- or they think that complaining about a an unwanted pregnancy to someone who's been trying so hard is appropriate.
There are no words- so instead I just offer prayers of peace for you and DH, and prayers of hope, because I know your baby will come to you!
It's so frustrating to be so entrenched and deal with all the emotions that come with the process of trying to become a parent. It's even harder when the people you count on the most can't respect or try to understand your feelings.
Unfortunately some people think an experience of having to wait a few months to conceive (even though an RE won't see you unless you have a diagnosis or have been actively trying for 12 months) is the same as going through IF treatment- or they think that complaining about a an unwanted pregnancy to someone who's been trying so hard is appropriate.
There are no words- so instead I just offer prayers of peace for you and DH, and prayers of hope, because I know your baby will come to you!
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HI! Joining in! Trying to get better about posting in tr's of people who post on mine
First off, I'm sorry for your current struggle with fertility. I'm always amazed at it, as it seems I have no trouble. I wish I could give you what I got! I will give you prayers though, and hugs! I think taking a break and letting your body not stress about it is a great idea! I am SO impressed at how gracefully you handle it all. I know I can't see you in real life, but your posts on here are admirable! I wish more people were like you!
Speaking of kids, holy cow your sister has a lot! this is going to be one wild trip! I'm so excited to share along!
I think it is awesome that you see your nieces and nephews so much! They will love you like a mom for the rest of your life!
and holy cow..looking at your prices makes me want to cry lol! when you put it out like that
DVC does sound like a good route for you guys!
Looking forward to more and subbing!
First off, I'm sorry for your current struggle with fertility. I'm always amazed at it, as it seems I have no trouble. I wish I could give you what I got! I will give you prayers though, and hugs! I think taking a break and letting your body not stress about it is a great idea! I am SO impressed at how gracefully you handle it all. I know I can't see you in real life, but your posts on here are admirable! I wish more people were like you!
Speaking of kids, holy cow your sister has a lot! this is going to be one wild trip! I'm so excited to share along!
I think it is awesome that you see your nieces and nephews so much! They will love you like a mom for the rest of your life!
and holy cow..looking at your prices makes me want to cry lol! when you put it out like that
DVC does sound like a good route for you guys!
Looking forward to more and subbing!
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Art of Animation: Pricing
Welcome back! I decided to price AoA today because I was interested to see how much it costs.
First I priced it regularly with Deluxe Dining, then I priced it with the free dining special. After that, I priced it with a room discount.
Here are the room configurations for AoA.
Wendi (DSis)/Doug (BIL) Emma (12), Sara (6), Kaelyn (4), Benjamin (2)
Paula/EvanBryant (9), Alyssa (8)
Regular Priced Package: September 30- October 11
Wendi/Doug Room--$8,959
Paula/Evan Room-- $7,519
Flight-- $4,050
--------------------------------------Total: $20,528
Regular Priced Package: October 7- October 18
Wendi/Doug Room-- $9,066
Paula/Evan Room-- $7,626
Flight-- $4,050
--------------------------------------Total: $20,742
It seems that when free dining specials are offered, you get the regular plan for free at the moderate and deluxe resorts, and the quick service plan for free at the value resorts. So, we would get the QSDP for free and then upgrade to the Deluxe.
Here is the 2013 QSDP dining plan information:
Quick Service Dining Plan:
5 Adults: $38 x 11 nights = $3080
4 Children: $15 x 11 nights = $660
----------------------------------- $3740
This would be deducted from the total of the package:
Free Dining: September 30- October 11
With Free Dining, Total: $16,778
Okay, now lets move onto a room discount. The Annual Passholder discount would probably be 20%, since it is a value resort and not a moderate, right?
Regular Prices: September 30- October 11
Two Rooms(20% discount) = $5,453
Flight-- $4,050
Food-- $6,688
Tickets-- $3,170
--------------------------------------Total: $19,361
Regular Prices: October 7- October 18
Two Rooms(20% discount) = $5,623
Flight-- $4,050
Food-- $6,688
Tickets-- $3,170
--------------------------------------Total: $19,531
So, once again, the best discount for us would be the free dining, then the room only Annual Passholder discount, then the regular rates. Here is how AoA stacks up next to the moderates.
From least to most expensive:
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)AoA: $16,778
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- POFQ/Standard POR/CBR: $16,829
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Standard: $17,015
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $17,447
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $17,682
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Preferred: $17,756
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11) POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,554
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,659
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $19,203
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $19,310
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Standard: $19,333
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,333
Room Discount (9/30-10/11)AoA: $19,361
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)AoA: $19,531
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Standard: $19,440
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,440
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Preferred: $19,593
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Preferred: $19,698
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)AoA: $20,528
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)AoA: $20,742
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11) Standard Room POFQ/POR/CBR: $20,657
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $20,808
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Standard: $20,843
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Standard: $20,995
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- POR or CSR Preferred: $21,275
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $21,427
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- POR Royal Room or CBR Pirate: $21,510
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $21,615
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Preferred: $21,584
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Preferred: $21,738
So, if we can get free dining, AoA is actually our best choice, and it would give us the most square footage, four bathrooms, and DSis and BIL can stay together.
If free dining doesnt come out, our next best choice (money wise), is a room discount at a Moderate. Finally, if no discounts come out and we have to pay regular price, AoA is the cheapest choice.
However, with the room (moderate or AoA) costing over $5,000 for the trip, I am really starting to lean towards renting DVC points or purchasing DVC. If we could rent a deluxe villa for the same price, why not do that?
If we spend an extra $10,000 and get a small resale, we would be paying more for this trip but we would have 40+ years worth of vacations in the future. Something to consider!
Welcome back! I decided to price AoA today because I was interested to see how much it costs.
First I priced it regularly with Deluxe Dining, then I priced it with the free dining special. After that, I priced it with a room discount.
Here are the room configurations for AoA.
Wendi (DSis)/Doug (BIL) Emma (12), Sara (6), Kaelyn (4), Benjamin (2)
Paula/EvanBryant (9), Alyssa (8)
Regular Priced Package: September 30- October 11
Wendi/Doug Room--$8,959
Paula/Evan Room-- $7,519
Flight-- $4,050
--------------------------------------Total: $20,528
Regular Priced Package: October 7- October 18
Wendi/Doug Room-- $9,066
Paula/Evan Room-- $7,626
Flight-- $4,050
--------------------------------------Total: $20,742
It seems that when free dining specials are offered, you get the regular plan for free at the moderate and deluxe resorts, and the quick service plan for free at the value resorts. So, we would get the QSDP for free and then upgrade to the Deluxe.
Here is the 2013 QSDP dining plan information:
Quick Service Dining Plan:
5 Adults: $38 x 11 nights = $3080
4 Children: $15 x 11 nights = $660
----------------------------------- $3740
This would be deducted from the total of the package:
Free Dining: September 30- October 11
With Free Dining, Total: $16,778
Okay, now lets move onto a room discount. The Annual Passholder discount would probably be 20%, since it is a value resort and not a moderate, right?
Regular Prices: September 30- October 11
Two Rooms(20% discount) = $5,453
Flight-- $4,050
Food-- $6,688
Tickets-- $3,170
--------------------------------------Total: $19,361
Regular Prices: October 7- October 18
Two Rooms(20% discount) = $5,623
Flight-- $4,050
Food-- $6,688
Tickets-- $3,170
--------------------------------------Total: $19,531
So, once again, the best discount for us would be the free dining, then the room only Annual Passholder discount, then the regular rates. Here is how AoA stacks up next to the moderates.
From least to most expensive:
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)AoA: $16,778
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- POFQ/Standard POR/CBR: $16,829
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Standard: $17,015
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $17,447
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $17,682
Free Dining: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Preferred: $17,756
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11) POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,554
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $18,659
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $19,203
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $19,310
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Standard: $19,333
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,333
Room Discount (9/30-10/11)AoA: $19,361
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)AoA: $19,531
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Standard: $19,440
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $19,440
Room Discount: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Preferred: $19,593
Room Discount: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Preferred: $19,698
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)AoA: $20,528
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)AoA: $20,742
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11) Standard Room POFQ/POR/CBR: $20,657
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- POFQ, Standard CBR/POR: $20,808
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Standard: $20,843
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Standard: $20,995
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- POR or CSR Preferred: $21,275
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- POR/CSR Preferred: $21,427
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- POR Royal Room or CBR Pirate: $21,510
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- POR Royal/CBR Pirate: $21,615
Regular Prices: (9/30-10/11)-- CSR Preferred: $21,584
Regular Prices: (10/7-10/18)-- CSR Preferred: $21,738
So, if we can get free dining, AoA is actually our best choice, and it would give us the most square footage, four bathrooms, and DSis and BIL can stay together.
If free dining doesnt come out, our next best choice (money wise), is a room discount at a Moderate. Finally, if no discounts come out and we have to pay regular price, AoA is the cheapest choice.
However, with the room (moderate or AoA) costing over $5,000 for the trip, I am really starting to lean towards renting DVC points or purchasing DVC. If we could rent a deluxe villa for the same price, why not do that?
If we spend an extra $10,000 and get a small resale, we would be paying more for this trip but we would have 40+ years worth of vacations in the future. Something to consider!
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I am so sorry that your friends weren't more gentle in their news. I had a friend that I knew was in the middle of the struggle, and I sent her a private message on facebook a few days before I made it public. I actually waited until she responded before I posted it on FB, and we weren't all that close. But I just wanted to make sure she saw my message. Anyway, I have several friends that have struggled, so I know to be gentle when I know about it. It's not like they didn't know that this was a soft spot for you! But the silver lining, is that your husband can focus on his feelings now.
All that math!! haha! I'm hoping for a good AP discount for next year, because my BFF is planning on getting one this year and we are planning a girl's trip in April!
That is really considerate of you! I love when people send me private messages and give me a few days to process things. Yes, I am really happy that he is getting better and starting to process everything that has happened. He is the greatest! Even if we never have kids, I know that we will always have each other.
I love Disney Math! Although, I am getting a bit worried about those regular prices. I don't really want to bank on free dining and/or an AP discount either. Maybe renting DVC points is the way to go-- that way I won't have to worry about discounts ever again!
I'm so sorry about your friends and how they hurt you. I know how insensitive people can be. I also know things will work out in the end for you and that you will be carrying that little bundle down Main Street before you know it! My friend just lost twin girls and it's hard to know what to say when a friend is hurting but know that if you need someone, we're always here.
Thanks! I appreciate your support! I love all the love I get from my DIS friends!
Yes, I think you are right! It is really difficult to understand. I think that many people think that kids are just another "thing" to acquire, and so they don't get the losses that comes with infertility. We are happy to be taking a break! We just can't handle being disappointed again, so we are focusing on things we can control-- like next October's trip to WDW!
Paula, I am so sorry that you are having to deal with some insensitive people. People really don't get it, do they? Even though I didn't have to struggle for long this time, I was still very sensitive to pregnancies after my diagnosis. When Miguel told me his cousin's girlfriend had gotten pregnant on accident, it was hard, but I dealt with it. When we found out his brother's girlfriend of less than a year was also pregnant unexpectedly, I lost it. I hope your break will help to clear your mind and give you some renewed hope.
Thanks, Courtney! You are an amazing person, truly. I am so happy for you and Miguel. You are wonderful people who seem to in love! In fact, the first time I saw your picture, I thought-- they would make cute babies! Can't wait to see your little bundle of jou!
Argh! That is such a frustrating situation. The two nieces that we took to WDW in Feb of 2011 are adopted from foster care. The majority of their health issues come from their mother, it seems. They were taken from her because of drug use, I think. I get angry sometimes too, and the thing is, I feel entitled to being angry because I don't have a kid. They can have their kids, as long as I get to be angry. That's an awful thing to say, but it's how I feel in the moment. The anger usually gives way to sadness eventually, which sucks. However, I don't think that sadness eats away at me like anger does, so that is usually easier to get over.
Thanks! I appreciate your words of encouragement. The more we talk about things, the more I can't believe sometimes that we are "those" people. The people who have lost four pregnancies and have been struggling for years. Now that we are taking a break, it all just seems like a bad, ridiculous dream. Hopefully in a year or so we will be ready to make new decisions. I am leaning towards adoption right now, just because I am so tired of trying and losing the "game!" But I don't want to feel as though I am taking a baby from someone who needs it, because I can get pregnant. I am trying to will myself not to think about it for the next year....
HI! Joining in! Trying to get better about posting in tr's of people who post on mine
First off, I'm sorry for your current struggle with fertility. I'm always amazed at it, as it seems I have no trouble. I wish I could give you what I got! I will give you prayers though, and hugs! I think taking a break and letting your body not stress about it is a great idea! I am SO impressed at how gracefully you handle it all. I know I can't see you in real life, but your posts on here are admirable! I wish more people were like you!
Speaking of kids, holy cow your sister has a lot! this is going to be one wild trip! I'm so excited to share along!
I think it is awesome that you see your nieces and nephews so much! They will love you like a mom for the rest of your life!
and holy cow..looking at your prices makes me want to cry lol! when you put it out like that
DVC does sound like a good route for you guys!
Looking forward to more and subbing!
Thanks so much! It will be a wild trip! I think they do look at us like second parents, which is such a blessing. Somehow we got on the subject at dinner the other day about us being sad. Kaelyn asked why and I explained. She said, "We can be your kids when we are at your house." Sara said something similar the other day. Evan said that he was sad because we didn't have kids and Sara said, "We can be your kids! " These six kids are the best!
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So sorry to hear about your "friends" If they didn't take your feelings into consideration when they made the announcement, I don't know what kind of "friends" they were to begin with 
Stuff like that always sucks though, but what's done is done, and now you can move on at least
In terms of resort choices, I'd love to steer you guys towards the CSR
but by the sounds of things, AoA would be the best choice regardless. It looks like an awesome resort though, and having 4 bathrooms will make a huge difference. The pool there would be awesome for the kids too
If they didn't take your feelings into consideration when they made the announcement, I don't know what kind of "friends" they were to begin with Stuff like that always sucks though, but what's done is done, and now you can move on at leastIn terms of resort choices, I'd love to steer you guys towards the CSR
but by the sounds of things, AoA would be the best choice regardless. It looks like an awesome resort though, and having 4 bathrooms will make a huge difference. The pool there would be awesome for the kids too 
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Sorry about your friends. When I went through infertility, my husbands ex-wife, his sister & sister-in-law were all pregnant during the same time. It was a awful time.
It did make me realize that you never know what is going on with others and that you need to be sensitive in everything.
For example, I kept talking about how much of a wonderful husband Brad was to me & always talking about what he does for me to a co-worker. I later found out the co-worker was having marital problems & my bragging on my DH was making her feel worse that her husband did not treat her good.
I always try to be more aware of others now.
On Mother's Day, on facebook, I always mention that I'm praying for those who are missing their mothers & those who wish to be mothers.
I also will never brag about my kids grades on Facebook because that just makes others feel worse who have kids struggling.
For your trip plans-
I think deluxe dining would be way too much eating especially with kids.
We just got back with regular dining and every one of us gained 5 lbs!!!
We loved the Table service meals to do characters so we had easy access to pictures, but they take so long out of the day. I couldn't imagine having to stop for two table services everyday.
My kids (& us) would rather spend time in the parks playing rather than eating.
It did make me realize that you never know what is going on with others and that you need to be sensitive in everything.
For example, I kept talking about how much of a wonderful husband Brad was to me & always talking about what he does for me to a co-worker. I later found out the co-worker was having marital problems & my bragging on my DH was making her feel worse that her husband did not treat her good.
I always try to be more aware of others now.
On Mother's Day, on facebook, I always mention that I'm praying for those who are missing their mothers & those who wish to be mothers.
I also will never brag about my kids grades on Facebook because that just makes others feel worse who have kids struggling.
For your trip plans-
I think deluxe dining would be way too much eating especially with kids.
We just got back with regular dining and every one of us gained 5 lbs!!!
We loved the Table service meals to do characters so we had easy access to pictures, but they take so long out of the day. I couldn't imagine having to stop for two table services everyday.
My kids (& us) would rather spend time in the parks playing rather than eating.
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So sorry to hear about your "friends"
In terms of resort choices, I'd love to steer you guys towards the CSR
Yeah, that's what we thought too, after the fact. It is just weird to be friends with someone so long and then realize that it isn't going to work out, you know? I am sure our reaction disappointed them as well, which makes sense, but we were ready to move past everything. This was the only time we have ever really hurt each other, and it is sad that they couldn't seem to forgive us.
I really, really want to stay at CSR sometime. I have planned two December trips there, but both were cancelled! The four bathrooms is super tempting. We shall see! I am actually looking at DVC now...
Thanks for your comments. I completely see what you are saying. I hope to develop more compassion for others, and honestly, I am doing it (I think). Once I got past the awful month that was August, I was able to let some of that anger go, which allows more love in. =)
I feel "bad" for all the wonderful things I have in my life, and I don't feel as though I can share most of my awesome life with my family-- because they are jealous. I don't know where that fine line is between sharing your true self and what you are doing-- and being considerate to their feelings. I don't want to have to stifle my excitement over things. I don't want to make them feel bad, of course, but I also don't want to feel as though I can't share anything. I probably will never figure out the answer to that, LOL!
Great point about DxDP. I highly doubt we will use that option, I just figure that is the greatest possible amount that anyone could spend on food, so I used it in calculations. If DVC ends up being a good option, we will probably do TIW. We can still do TS restaurants, but we won't be tied down as to what we order. We also won't feel pressure if we decide to cancel an ADR.
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Lets talk buying DVC, shall we? Is it a good idea for me/Evan to purchase DVC instead of renting points? Evan and I have decided that we would need around 200-250 points each use year in order to make this trip work. We figure that we could bank, use, and borrow points from 2012, 2013 and 2014 in order to make the Oct 2013 trip work.
We are staying a Monday through the following Friday. It isnt that much more to fly out on a Sunday, so if we stay DVC we may do that as well. We could have Saturday to prepare and two days to unwind before the daily grind. That would also give us more rest time/time in the parks.
Side Note: the plane fares for the end of October 2012 are pretty low right now, so I need to set a calendar reminder to check fares each day leading up to our trip next year. We may be able to get a credit on the flights we purchase outright. Maybe enough for a trip in 2014! The cheapest fares tend to be flying out of MCO around 6:00 in the morning, so maybe we will stay Friday night and fly back early Saturday morning. Decisions, decisions (to be made at a later date, of course).
Back to your regularly scheduled DVC reporting. =)
I am eyeing a DVC contract that is 210 points at AKV (well get into the why of AKV later). The use year is September. Our vacation time renews every September, so it would be nice if the two things aligned.
All 2012 dues are paid, we just have the upfront cost of the points and the closing costs of $500. The sellers are asking $69 a point. Lets assume that they are unwilling to come down in price.
Initial Cost of DVC:
Points: $14,490
Closing Costs: $500
__________________ Total: $14,990
Honestly, I dont want to try and predict inflation, how much dues will increase per year, etc. According to this website, dues increase at roughly the same rate as resort room rate increases.
And according to this website, the average rate of inflation is 3.43%-- slightly higher than the average DVC due increases/resort increases.
I feel comfortable using todays dollars to calculate the next 45 years worth of information, since room costs/dues and inflation seem to be increasing at a similar rate.
Just so you know, I do consider the following a benefit to owning DVC:
Discounts: APs, MNSSHP/MVMCP tickets, TIW card
Pre-paying for part of our vacations?
Not having to wait for specials. The economy will turn around will Disney be offering free dining when people are thriving? I dont know that they will
Ability to be generous with friends/family members.
However, lets not try to quantify those benefits. Lets look at this from the pure perspective of cost, just because it is easier. =)
Stay tuned for the next post where I do more Disney math!
We are staying a Monday through the following Friday. It isnt that much more to fly out on a Sunday, so if we stay DVC we may do that as well. We could have Saturday to prepare and two days to unwind before the daily grind. That would also give us more rest time/time in the parks.
Side Note: the plane fares for the end of October 2012 are pretty low right now, so I need to set a calendar reminder to check fares each day leading up to our trip next year. We may be able to get a credit on the flights we purchase outright. Maybe enough for a trip in 2014! The cheapest fares tend to be flying out of MCO around 6:00 in the morning, so maybe we will stay Friday night and fly back early Saturday morning. Decisions, decisions (to be made at a later date, of course).
Back to your regularly scheduled DVC reporting. =)
I am eyeing a DVC contract that is 210 points at AKV (well get into the why of AKV later). The use year is September. Our vacation time renews every September, so it would be nice if the two things aligned.
All 2012 dues are paid, we just have the upfront cost of the points and the closing costs of $500. The sellers are asking $69 a point. Lets assume that they are unwilling to come down in price.
Initial Cost of DVC:
Points: $14,490
Closing Costs: $500
__________________ Total: $14,990
Honestly, I dont want to try and predict inflation, how much dues will increase per year, etc. According to this website, dues increase at roughly the same rate as resort room rate increases.
And according to this website, the average rate of inflation is 3.43%-- slightly higher than the average DVC due increases/resort increases.
I feel comfortable using todays dollars to calculate the next 45 years worth of information, since room costs/dues and inflation seem to be increasing at a similar rate.
Just so you know, I do consider the following a benefit to owning DVC:
Discounts: APs, MNSSHP/MVMCP tickets, TIW card
Pre-paying for part of our vacations?
Not having to wait for specials. The economy will turn around will Disney be offering free dining when people are thriving? I dont know that they will
Ability to be generous with friends/family members.
However, lets not try to quantify those benefits. Lets look at this from the pure perspective of cost, just because it is easier. =)
Stay tuned for the next post where I do more Disney math!
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I think you sound like an amazingly strong woman!
With so much love and compassion in your heart I know things are going to work out for you!
Great news about the DVC! I think you've found a great deal, AKV's are beautiful! September is our use year time as well and it's a good one. Plus you are buying the same number of points as us and it's the perfect amount. We've done so many big family trips with everyone, my sister and her family, my aunt and hers, my aunt and uncle, my brother and his wife, my parents, my husband's family. Just great.
But you know what I think has been the most important benefit. It's that because we have these points, we sometimes go when we would ordinarily say "Oh, we can't afford to go this year". So by prepaying for it, it makes us slow down and take some time for each other. We almost always go for a least a day or two to Vero as well and it keeps my husband and I even more in love with one another. You and Evan look like a wonderful couple, very happy and very in love. I think you are making totally the right decision.
With so much love and compassion in your heart I know things are going to work out for you!
Great news about the DVC! I think you've found a great deal, AKV's are beautiful! September is our use year time as well and it's a good one. Plus you are buying the same number of points as us and it's the perfect amount. We've done so many big family trips with everyone, my sister and her family, my aunt and hers, my aunt and uncle, my brother and his wife, my parents, my husband's family. Just great.
But you know what I think has been the most important benefit. It's that because we have these points, we sometimes go when we would ordinarily say "Oh, we can't afford to go this year". So by prepaying for it, it makes us slow down and take some time for each other. We almost always go for a least a day or two to Vero as well and it keeps my husband and I even more in love with one another. You and Evan look like a wonderful couple, very happy and very in love. I think you are making totally the right decision.
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I'm so sorry to hear about inconsiderate friends. I'm sure that is tough to deal with. We were trying for about 6 months before it got too stressful to constantly be thinking out it so we are taking a few months off. I work in the x-ray dept. and have to ask every pt. if there is a chance of pregnancy and it was tough seeing some of the people who said yes who should not have been or the young girls with infants who had a total dislack of interest in their child. It also didn't help that about 6 coworkers have been pregnant in the last year.
Anyway, your Disney math overwhelms me considering I've been looking at buying a car and those prices can cover a new car
I have run the numbers 100 times for DVC and it doesn't make any sense for me since DH is anti Disney and the amount of Disney trips we will be taking will be slowing down, but I think in your case it would be a great option.
If you plan on going at least every two years buying into DVC totally makes sense.
Anyway, your Disney math overwhelms me considering I've been looking at buying a car and those prices can cover a new car
I have run the numbers 100 times for DVC and it doesn't make any sense for me since DH is anti Disney and the amount of Disney trips we will be taking will be slowing down, but I think in your case it would be a great option.
If you plan on going at least every two years buying into DVC totally makes sense.
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Hi! That's so great that you are going ahead with the DVC purchase! That's a gift that keeps on giving!
I also wanted to send you my prayers for your baby quest. We went through an fertility process which led, after a few very difficult years, to our now 15 year old triplets, followed 2 years later by a spontaneous-from-the-heavens singleton. It was 15 + years ago so some of the treatments were different, but the emotional pain was just as sharp. The thing that helped me the most during those years was the women in my RESOLVE group. I joined a support group through the RESOLVE organization. At first we had 10 sessions led by a social worker, and after our official meetings were over we continued to meet as a group. We decided that we'd stay together until every member of the group had a baby, somehow. And we did! Some women did conceive spontaneously, one had egg donor, some had complicated cycles with all kinds of hormonal manipulations, etc. We had IVF babies and IUI babies and all the other initials that exist. But we all had our babies at the end. Some had started a process for adoption as well, though in our particular group no one adopted during our time together. I just wanted to let you know about RESOLVE, in case it can help you, too. It was such a relief to meet once a week with a group of women who understood how hard it was to see a car with a carseat parked on the street.
Disney is a great was of bringing joy into your life! Keep it up
!
!I also wanted to send you my prayers for your baby quest. We went through an fertility process which led, after a few very difficult years, to our now 15 year old triplets, followed 2 years later by a spontaneous-from-the-heavens singleton. It was 15 + years ago so some of the treatments were different, but the emotional pain was just as sharp. The thing that helped me the most during those years was the women in my RESOLVE group. I joined a support group through the RESOLVE organization. At first we had 10 sessions led by a social worker, and after our official meetings were over we continued to meet as a group. We decided that we'd stay together until every member of the group had a baby, somehow. And we did! Some women did conceive spontaneously, one had egg donor, some had complicated cycles with all kinds of hormonal manipulations, etc. We had IVF babies and IUI babies and all the other initials that exist. But we all had our babies at the end. Some had started a process for adoption as well, though in our particular group no one adopted during our time together. I just wanted to let you know about RESOLVE, in case it can help you, too. It was such a relief to meet once a week with a group of women who understood how hard it was to see a car with a carseat parked on the street.
Disney is a great was of bringing joy into your life! Keep it up
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