Can't modify an existing resort reservation!!!

Another interesting perspective! I still think its a glitch though especially when you can call and get the three days as one reservation instead - I just didn't have the time for a one hour phone call. For me it was easier just to pop over to the SPG website and book my room - and my sister in laws room at the Dolphin. So even though my 3 night stay (x2 rooms) didn't seem profitable enough (accd to your scenario) now they lost 6 nights revenue.
But SPG does the same. I booked 2/28-3/4 at Dolphin. Decided to try first night elsewhere. Tried to change reservation online, not available. I called Starwood, was told Dolphin was totally booked and they couldn't re-book me because no rooms were available 3/1-3/4, and can't just delete one night. They transferred me to the desk at the Dolphin where apparently they have different software which allowed them to just remove one night instead of rebooking the whole reservation. They did however fail to refund my points which required another email.
 
I understand a company not wanting to lose money. But, when a guest books a stay, and then finds that their plans have changed and they need to drop two nights? But Disney says no? And then has you jump through hoops? I had to wait until the last minute to firm up my new plans, which made me very nervous. In the end, it worked out fine. But, it just shouldn't be so hard. I can understand not being able to add a few days to the stay...that's easy to understand. I could even understand if they told me that I didn't have to check in on that first day but two days later! I would have grudgingly paid for those two nights I wasn't going to be there. But, as it stood, and I didn't show up until Nov 1, vs Oct 30, my reservation would have been cancelled!
But, alls well that ends well...I guess. I think this is going to be the new 'normal' with Disney booking.
 
Think of it as a contract, goofy4tink. If you book 6 nights, you'd expect Disney to have a room for you on all 6 nights. It works the same in reverse. Disney (and pretty much every other hotel company in the world) will want the guest to arrive and depart according to that contract. The contract allows for cancelation by a certain date, but not for modifications.

As for the concept of paying but not showing up two days later, that's not going to work. As a for-profit company, Disney wants someone to actually be in those rooms because those guest will be buying food and other things.

For decades, Disney has been the nice guy by allowing guests to make speculative reservations. They have decided that like every other hotel chain, they aren't going to take a financial loss (by having empty "orphan" rooms) just because guests don't have firm travel dates.
 
Many hotels have change (and cancellation) fees. Not totally unheard of to not be able to modify a reservation within 30 days, or 60 days, or from the moment you make a reservation. I feel Disney's policy allows for a lot of flexibility. It's one of the reasons why I like vacationing there.
 

Think of it as a contract, goofy4tink. If you book 6 nights, you'd expect Disney to have a room for you on all 6 nights. It works the same in reverse. Disney (and pretty much every other hotel company in the world) will want the guest to arrive and depart according to that contract. The contract allows for cancelation by a certain date, but not for modifications.

As for the concept of paying but not showing up two days later, that's not going to work. As a for-profit company, Disney wants someone to actually be in those rooms because those guest will be buying food and other things.

For decades, Disney has been the nice guy by allowing guests to make speculative reservations. They have decided that like every other hotel chain, they aren't going to take a financial loss (by having empty "orphan" rooms) just because guests don't have firm travel dates.
I completely understand. I really do. However, Disney resorts are close to capacity more often than not...just look at the discounts they give nowadays. Not as many, and not nearly the discount as in previous years that saw empty resorts.
I have no issue paying a change fee. But, as far as my being in the room in order to buy stuff? Nope. I don't spend a boatload of spending money at Disney. Pretty much just food, and that's one meal a day.
I tried making this adjustment over a month ago....well before my 30 day window. They system wouldn't allow me to drop those dates. As I got closer to the 30 day window, I got more anxious and decided to call Disney. That got me a massive run around, after hugely long waits on hold. I checked and double checked my reservation paperwork. Nowhere did it state anything about an inability to change my dates, basically to modify the reservation. That's always been possible. Note, I am not talking about adding dates....if there aren't any rooms, then of course you can't add days. But to drop a few nights? Shouldn't be so hard. Charge me a change fee, and move on.

I realize that Disney wouldn't miss the money I spend on resorts over the year....although I am in one for about 30+ days each year! I own DVC and have had an AP for the past 13 years. I can easily stay off-site and just rent a car every single time I go, rather then here and there. I like the feeling I get when staying on-site. But, frankly, I'm getting tired of paying higher and higher room rates (not to mention park pass costs and dining costs), only to find I am not able to modify a reservation, without jumping through hoops. I understand that Disney is more than free to do what they want,, and to change policy at any given time...it's their company, and they can do whatever they like. But, I, as the customer, do not have to vacation there, or stay there, or eat there. I am free to spend my money elsewhere. Don't get me wrong, I'm going to WDW, I have 29 days, booked at WDW, between Nov 1 and Feb 1. But.....I seldom buy any merchandise (the quality has gotten crappy and it's too pricey), and my dining dollars have decreased...no more three meals a day, it's more like one that I pay for and I eat my own food the rest of the time.
And I've started spending some time over at US/IoA...I don't want to spend a week there, but a few days is nice. Especially in their resorts. When I can get Royal Pacific for the same price, or less, than a moderate at WDW? Yeah, I'm heading there. I've even found AP rates there that make it cheaper to stay there, than at a WDW value resort, even if I add in daily parking!!! Go figure.

If Disney had put their new modification policy out there, somewhere, for all to see, perhaps I wouldn't have been so aggravated. But they didn't. And I never got a straight answer from anyone at Disney. That pretty much tells me that nothing is etched in stone yet...I was told I would hear, withing 24 hrs, whether or not they could grant my request. Seriously?? I felt like the Tin Man, talking to the great and powerful OZ!!! And even then it took them 4 days to get back to me. That's my issue.
 
If Disney had put their new modification policy out there, somewhere, for all to see, perhaps I wouldn't have been so aggravated. But they didn't. And I never got a straight answer from anyone at Disney. That pretty much tells me that nothing is etched in stone yet...I was told I would hear, withing 24 hrs, whether or not they could grant my request. Seriously?? I felt like the Tin Man, talking to the great and powerful OZ!!! And even then it took them 4 days to get back to me. That's my issue.
Totally agree. If that's your policy, own it. Be clear so this type of thing doesn't happen.
 
Honestly, OP, you have more patience than I. If Disney had been giving me this run-around, I would have either canceled one of the rooms or canceled both and stayed offsite. Disney continues to charge more and more for less and less. I remember in the "olden times" when I could justify the costs because of the great customer service (remember when unused ticket days were good forever?). Now? Not so much.
 
I travel often for work and for dd's skating and often have to modify my hotel stays. I usually have rough dates and a choice of a couple major chains to work with. I am often booking one or more rooms and book based on the longest possible stay, I never have issues modifying when the firm schedules come out either via the website or by calling. One major difference is if/when I do have to call the hold times are reasonable unlike Disney's often hour long hold times!

Many hotels have change (and cancellation) fees. Not totally unheard of to not be able to modify a reservation within 30 days, or 60 days, or from the moment you make a reservation. I feel Disney's policy allows for a lot of flexibility. It's one of the reasons why I like vacationing there.
 
I travel often for work and for dd's skating and often have to modify my hotel stays. I usually have rough dates and a choice of a couple major chains to work with. I am often booking one or more rooms and book based on the longest possible stay, I never have issues modifying when the firm schedules come out either via the website or by calling. One major difference is if/when I do have to call the hold times are reasonable unlike Disney's often hour long hold times!

I don't travel for work much anymore. When I did, I would usually book the flexible fare, which allowed changes up to 24 hours in advance. But now I book for vacations my family. In the last 12- 18 months, I have booked hotels in Germany, Mexico, WDW, and multiple ski resorts. All of those were non-refundable after a certain date (usually around 1- 2 months prior). Now, it *may* be different if I would have been booking a ski resort, for say, September (instead of December), or Germany for say February (instead of June) or maybe a hotel in Mexico that was not an AI, but all those, with the exception of WDW, were completely non-refundable 30 - 60 days prior, and there wasn't a refundable fare. Meaning, you cancel or change and you lose. You can always purchase trip insurance, but that would require a covered reason.
 
I don't travel for work much anymore. When I did, I would usually book the flexible fare, which allowed changes up to 24 hours in advance. But now I book for vacations my family. In the last 12- 18 months, I have booked hotels in Germany, Mexico, WDW, and multiple ski resorts. All of those were non-refundable after a certain date (usually around 1- 2 months prior). Now, it *may* be different if I would have been booking a ski resort, for say, September (instead of December), or Germany for say February (instead of June) or maybe a hotel in Mexico that was not an AI, but all those, with the exception of WDW, were completely non-refundable 30 - 60 days prior, and there wasn't a refundable fare. Meaning, you cancel or change and you lose. You can always purchase trip insurance, but that would require a covered reason.
I have no issue with that policy...none at all. What I do have an issue is is changing policy with no notice! If you're going to change you policy on cancellation or modification, fine, but you need to put that policy on your website. And it should be 'effective for bookings made on xxx'. You don't get to change the policy midstream. I know what the policy was when I booked. After I started having issues with modifying the reservations, I double checked the policy...same as always, nothing new.
I'll be very careful going forward.....I have booked rooms that have a cancel/modify up to 24 hrs prior to check in. As recently as last month, non-Disney hotels.
 
I have no issue with that policy...none at all. What I do have an issue is is changing policy with no notice! If you're going to change you policy on cancellation or modification, fine, but you need to put that policy on your website. And it should be 'effective for bookings made on xxx'. You don't get to change the policy midstream. I know what the policy was when I booked. After I started having issues with modifying the reservations, I double checked the policy...same as always, nothing new.
I'll be very careful going forward.....I have booked rooms that have a cancel/modify up to 24 hrs prior to check in. As recently as last month, non-Disney hotels.
Well, crap, if your reservation says you can modify without rebooking, they should not be giving you the run around.

Out of curiosity, I looked for my 2018 confirmation, to see what does it say and I just realized WDW never sent me a confirmation! They sent me a receipt for the deposit, but it doesn't have all the info about the stay I booked. I booked this bounceback right before they got hit by Irma and I guess their system never sent the confirmation. My reservation is in MDE, so I'm not worried. But, I don't have anything with T&C.

But, I stand by what I said before. My personal experience is that business hotels have cancel/modify up to 24 hours before check-in. But, the vacation resorts I have stayed at (ski, EU, Mexico, Caribbean, etc.), usually have much more stringent change and cancellation policies.
 
I have no issue with that policy...none at all. What I do have an issue is is changing policy with no notice! If you're going to change you policy on cancellation or modification, fine, but you need to put that policy on your website. And it should be 'effective for bookings made on xxx'.

I can't comment on when the policy was changed and whether older reservations were grandfathered. But, all new reservations do include the following text:

CHANGES TO RESERVATIONS: Changes to reservation, including but not limited to change in travel dates, length of stay or hotel accommodations, are subject to availability at the time the change is made and guest is responsible for paying any increase in price resulting from the change.​

That text is copy/pasted from the Terms and Conditions link attached to a room-only reservation.
 
I can't comment on when the policy was changed and whether older reservations were grandfathered. But, all new reservations do include the following text:

CHANGES TO RESERVATIONS: Changes to reservation, including but not limited to change in travel dates, length of stay or hotel accommodations, are subject to availability at the time the change is made and guest is responsible for paying any increase in price resulting from the change.​

That text is copy/pasted from the Terms and Conditions link attached to a room-only reservation.

With the key here being subject to availability. It's not that they changed when/how you can make changes, it's whether or not there is availability for the new number of nights. Say you have a 4 night stay booked and want to drop it down to a 3 night stay, if you are able to find availability for those 3 nights doing a separate search then you will be able to drop that 1 night. If there is no availability for a new 3 night stay, that is when Guest Services has to get involved to see if they can/will override the booking system.
 
If only this were the case! I always check for availability for the new dates first but even if / when it is available as a new reservation you still can't drop a night so as mentioned above the only option is to cancel the original reservation and re book a completely new one for one less day. This results in double deposits and waiting on a refund.

Also doesn't address why I can find 3 one night reservations, or a 2 night and a 1 night but not a 3 night reservation for the exact same dates, resort and booking category. I didn't want to have to deal with checking out and checking back in.


With the key here being subject to availability. It's not that they changed when/how you can make changes, it's whether or not there is availability for the new number of nights. Say you have a 4 night stay booked and want to drop it down to a 3 night stay, if you are able to find availability for those 3 nights doing a separate search then you will be able to drop that 1 night. If there is no availability for a new 3 night stay, that is when Guest Services has to get involved to see if they can/will override the booking system.
 
I was able to add a day to my May 2018 reservation without any issue. However, it does not show up on MDE. The balance due includes the extra night. I called and the agent told me I have the extra day added in their system. It just hasn't been updated in MDE. I did this 2 weeks ago. I am guessing their system is having lots of glitches. Maybe that could be the actual issue. I am calling again this weekend to see what the story is.
 
I have mixed thoughts. OP spends a lot of nights at WDW. She shouldn't have to go through hoops to fine tune her reservations. I see the other side.

When I plan a vacation I check family members vacation schedules, check airfare and hotel availability. I then book. Some posters basically book on spec. They want to book when there is availability of discounted rooms. Months later they want to chop off days. Other guests, looking to make a real booking, were shut out. A system which basically says you have no advantage by booking early, but now want to make changes, over a guest who wants to book today makes a lot of sense. Universal has been doing this for years, at least with annual pass discounted rooms.

Another possible issue. Hotels overbook. Disney may have overbooked even more to accommodate guests impacted by Irma. It's possible some resort rooms had to be taken out of inventory.

The current wording is probably legally sufficient but misleading to guests accustomed to the old policy. In this context availability means it's not available for change unless it's also available for new bookings.
 
The current wording is probably legally sufficient but misleading to guests accustomed to the old policy. In this context availability means it's not available for change unless it's also available for new bookings.

Yes, "subject to availability" really does not seem to cover the changes from the old system.

For example, I wanted to add a day to the beginning of my upcoming trip. There was a room in the same booking category at the same resort available on that date. The promotional discount was also available for that day. So, to most that would pass the "subject to availability" test.

However, I was unable to add the day because one of my other dates was full. Why did that Saturday need to be available when I would already be occupying that room?
 
Yes, "subject to availability" really does not seem to cover the changes from the old system.

However, I was unable to add the day because one of my other dates was full. Why did that Saturday need to be available when I would already be occupying that room?
Book the extra night. Later call guest services and have them combined
The theory is if the entire reservation isn't available new you can't make the change. Why should you be able to make a booking not. Available to other guests
Too many guests play games
 
I understand a company not wanting to lose money. But, when a guest books a stay, and then finds that their plans have changed and they need to drop two nights? But Disney says no? And then has you jump through hoops? I had to wait until the last minute to firm up my new plans, which made me very nervous. In the end, it worked out fine. But, it just shouldn't be so hard. I can understand not being able to add a few days to the stay...that's easy to understand. I could even understand if they told me that I didn't have to check in on that first day but two days later! I would have grudgingly paid for those two nights I wasn't going to be there. But, as it stood, and I didn't show up until Nov 1, vs Oct 30, my reservation would have been cancelled!
But, alls well that ends well...I guess. I think this is going to be the new 'normal' with Disney booking.
If I want to drop a couple nights, I will. If Disney says no, then they will lose the entire reservation and I'll vacation somewhere else.
 
I have no issue with that policy...none at all. What I do have an issue is is changing policy with no notice! If you're going to change you policy on cancellation or modification, fine, but you need to put that policy on your website. And it should be 'effective for bookings made on xxx'. You don't get to change the policy midstream. I know what the policy was when I booked. After I started having issues with modifying the reservations, I double checked the policy...same as always, nothing new.
I'll be very careful going forward.....I have booked rooms that have a cancel/modify up to 24 hrs prior to check in. As recently as last month, non-Disney hotels.
I have three different hotels booked in the next month, non-Disney. Every single one of them allows me to cancel until 6pm of my arrival day.
 
















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