Canon 7D

[VVFF]

It looks like they are introducing a new line. So they'll have the intro level camera(s), the xxD series, and the 7D series for APS-C, the 5D and 1Ds series for full frame, and the 1D series for APS-H.

I question how long the 7 series will survive. As processing speeds go up and fab costs come down, I'm not sure if there is a purpose to having that many APS-C price points. I suspect that over time most of the pro and serious amateur market will migrate to full frame. That's the future, though, and they needed something in that niche for today.

I'm a little surprised that the much rumored replacement for the 70-200 f/2.8 IS lens didn't materialize. On the other hand, the rumors themselves seemed odd because that lens isn't in a big need for an update. They'd be better served updating the 100-400 (or introducing a competitor to Nikon's 200-400), or producing a 24-70 f/2.8 with IS.

I'm really surprised that there hasn't been more discussion here on the new Sony. The 850 is a high res full frame camera for $2,000. It's an amazing amount of camera for the money. It's not an ideal WDW camera because high ISO shooting is it's achille's heal, but for people not needing high ISO capability, it's got awesome performance per $. They've still got a lot of work ahead of them, but I think Sony's going to be a major player in the pro market someday.

roughly:

XS-D3000 XSi-D5000 T1i-D90-50D D300-7D 5D-D3 1D-D700

Now I'm not 100% confident with the last few there as my knowledge of the top tier Nikon cameras is a bit limited but it seems to me that canon has just as many crop frame cameras as Nikon. In fact, it makes sense that they would want to compete at eachother's price point.

 

[BorisMD]

I can't tell from the images if the new 15-85 lens has a barrel that moves with focusing or not. Doesn't USM mean that the front element does not rotate? And up to now, I thought the USM lenses had a the gold ring around the front, whereas this lens appears the to have the silver ring seen on the 18-55 kit lens.

Regards,

Boris

 

[MarkBarbieri]

roughly:

XS-D3000 XSi-D5000 T1i-D90-50D D300-7D 5D-D3 1D-D700

Now I'm not 100% confident with the last few there as my knowledge of the top tier Nikon cameras is a bit limited but it seems to me that canon has just as many crop frame cameras as Nikon. In fact, it makes sense that they would want to compete at eachother's price point.

At the top, it is more like 1Ds~D3X, 1D~D3, and 5D~D700. Even then, except for the 1Ds and D3X, they don't match up all that well. It's close enough, though.

 

[mabas9395]

I'm glad to finally see a flash commander in the pop up unit. Even low end Nikons have this. This is the one feature that I really wish my 50d had. Would make it so much easier to trigger my two Speedlites off-camera without spending several hundred dollars on wireless triggers.

 

[WDWFigment]

It looks like they are introducing a new line. So they'll have the intro level camera(s), the xxD series, and the 7D series for APS-C, the 5D and 1Ds series for full frame, and the 1D series for APS-H.

I question how long the 7 series will survive. As processing speeds go up and fab costs come down, I'm not sure if there is a purpose to having that many APS-C price points. I suspect that over time most of the pro and serious amateur market will migrate to full frame. That's the future, though, and they needed something in that niche for today.

I'm a little surprised that the much rumored replacement for the 70-200 f/2.8 IS lens didn't materialize. On the other hand, the rumors themselves seemed odd because that lens isn't in a big need for an update. They'd be better served updating the 100-400 (or introducing a competitor to Nikon's 200-400), or producing a 24-70 f/2.8 with IS.

I'm really surprised that there hasn't been more discussion here on the new Sony. The 850 is a high res full frame camera for $2,000. It's an amazing amount of camera for the money. It's not an ideal WDW camera because high ISO shooting is it's achille's heal, but for people not needing high ISO capability, it's got awesome performance per $. They've still got a lot of work ahead of them, but I think Sony's going to be a major player in the pro market someday.

I really hope Sony becomes a major player. I think the more competition between the camera brands, the better. I really hope you're right about full frame becoming the standard for consumer cameras and pro models. I think the competition that we're currently seeing will currently push the companies towards that.

 

[alan]

I think that there is a lot of scope for both formats to coexist.

For a large majority of hobbyists, I'd have thought that the size and weight benefits of 1.6 crop and its associated lenses would be very useful.

For people who really want to focus on low light, a larger sensor obviously offers greater benefit. Yet 35mm full frame is a pretty arbitrary size too, it's not something that the laws of physics define as the optimum sensor size.

Another thought is that many display devices are now in 16:9 - I wonder what would be the reaction to a large sensor optimised for that ratio?

regards,
/alan

 

[VVFF]

I can't tell from the images if the new 15-85 lens has a barrel that moves with focusing or not. Doesn't USM mean that the front element does not rotate? And up to now, I thought the USM lenses had a the gold ring around the front, whereas this lens appears the to have the silver ring seen on the 18-55 kit lens.

Regards,

Boris

I can almost guarantee the front element will not rotate on the 15-85mm lens. It is spec-ed at costing $800ish and that's simply not something that would be acceptable at that price point. Now the 18-135mm lens, which is much cheaper, COULD rotate, but I doubt it still. It's priced at $400 I believe so it's still too expensive in my opinion to have that.

USM is simply the type of motor used. It's quieter and quicker. That's all, has nothing to do with the front element rotating.

 

[jfinke]

I think that there is a lot of scope for both formats to coexist.

For a large majority of hobbyists, I'd have thought that the size and weight benefits of 1.6 crop and its associated lenses would be very useful.

For people who really want to focus on low light, a larger sensor obviously offers greater benefit. Yet 35mm full frame is a pretty arbitrary size too, it's not something that the laws of physics define as the optimum sensor size.

Another thought is that many display devices are now in 16:9 - I wonder what would be the reaction to a large sensor optimised for that ratio?

regards,
/alan

The problem is that we have 100+ years of dealing with 35mm "topics" including lenses. And now we have 10+ years of dealing with crop sensor lenses. So, as you start to change sensor sizes and ratios, something is going to have to change with the lenses. Or else it will be just like shooting a crop with an EF lens, you just lose a good portion of the data.

 

[pjacobi]

As processing speeds go up and fab costs come down, I'm not sure if there is a purpose to having that many APS-C price points. I suspect that over time most of the pro and serious amateur market will migrate to full frame.

I disagree!

Medium format professionals will move to full-frame.

The remaining professionals and amateurs will move to APS-C. Why? Because APS-C is good enough for most cases.

Full-frame sensors will never be cheap. One 8" wafer can produce 20 full-frame sensors or 200 APS-C. After 10 defects, the wafer yields only 10 full-frame sensors, or 190 APS-C sensors. The fabrication cost is the *same* for both wafers, but there is a dramatic difference in cost per chip - $x/10 vs. $x/190.

See the Canon White paper at:

http://usa.canon.com/uploadedimages/FCK/Image/White Papers/Canon_CMOS_WP.pdf


-Paul

 

[REL1203]

Thinking of upgrading to the new Canon 7D.... Anyone have one yet? Thoughts? High ISO seems amazing, but how is the low ISO levels? Any Autofocus issues?

 

[AndrewWG]

Has it been released yet? I didn't think it had.

 

[REL1203]

Yes, its been out for a couple weeks actually now, most stores have it. I actually went and picked one up at Best Buy for $1700 with the kit lens...

 

[AndrewWG]

Nice! I am thinking that will be my next camera if real world tests show it is worth the money. Just have to save save save first so I have LOTS of time to see how it performs.

 

[manning]

The body only is $1700.00. Can you consider the Canon EOS-5D Mark II body for $2700.00. It is full frame.

 

[REL1203]

The body only is $1700.00. Can you consider the Canon EOS-5D Mark II body for $2700.00. It is full frame.

I got it with the kit lens for that price, Kit lens price is usually $1899, and I couldnt spend a dime more, this was already $200 over my budget. So far so good with it

 

[AndrewWG]

The body only is $1700.00. Can you consider the Canon EOS-5D Mark II body for $2700.00. It is full frame.

I would love the 5D as an everyday camera BUT I need the speed (fps) of the 7D for my baseball photos. In a perfect world, I would get both. In the real world, I will not have either for a long time.

 

[manning]

see below for details

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/c...oryid=139&modelid=19356&keycode=2112&id=60427

 

[WillowBelle]

Strange. Curious what is causing that .

 

[VVFF]

Strange. Curious what is causing that .

The sensor not clearing its stored charge quickly enough.

 

[CM-James]

I picked mine up with just the body. I have been really happy with the low light performance and how well the autofocus works.