Can you scan in person who is not present?

[mamapenguin]

But how? How would you hand the CM two tickets and have them scan them both without two people there?

It’s against the rules. They can take away your ticket or AP for breaking rules.

 

[bcla]

I’ve seen people hand the entire ticket bunch in a group to a CM before. So conceivably if the CM didn’t bother to check and make sure the people behind the first person are the ones that are assigned to the ticket. You could technically get away with doing this.

Sure. I have seen someone with a wad full of tickets trying to figure out which one was his. But the CM at the turnstiles was absolutely looking at previously saved photos attached to each ticket. They have to manually approve each one.

Getting FPs is easy though as long as that person is

 

[ashley0139]

It’s against the rules. They can take away your ticket or AP for breaking rules.

I'm not asking if it's against the rules. Obviously it is. I just can't even imagine logistically how that would even work.

 

[bcla]

I'm not asking if it's against the rules. Obviously it is. I just can't even imagine logistically how that would even work.

It would require lax enforcement.

However, there might be a way. I remember when I had a single printed FP once where those were considered bearer instruments that could even be given away. And someone gave it to me, but we had three people. The CM just wrote up a return slip allowing the three of us to go. Also - when we got two FPs when my wife was sleeping in, we came back and asked if maybe my wife could tag along for the return, and sometimes they would allow it.

 

[theluckyrabbit]

... However, I understand that if DAS is active, all the ticket holders linked to the DAS guest are eligible to use that once they enter. Meaning the DAS return time can be reserved before a linked guest enters, although the DAS guest has to be present when a return time is given and present for the return.

That's not what we've been told at DLR (is WDW different?), but we usually don't have large groups when we book a return time. The CM asks how many are in my group, then verifies that DH is with me. (Most of the time, he's standing right next to me, so that's easy.) There might have been some abuse of the earlier procedure (no surprise if there was), so now maybe CMs are being more careful?

 

[sjmac42]

But how? How would you hand the CM two tickets and have them scan them both without two people there?

Scanned the tickets via the phone app

 

[bcla]

That's not what we've been told at DLR (is WDW different?), but we usually don't have large groups when we book a return time. The CM asks how many are in my group, then verifies that DH is with me. (Most of the time, he's standing right next to me, so that's easy.) There might have been some abuse of the earlier procedure (no surprise if there was), so now maybe CMs are being more careful?

I've actually seen it. Maybe we're talking about something different?

I meant that one person (let's say Mom) in the group hadn't gone through either entrance so her ticket hadn't been active for that day. But the DAS holder was active but Mom had been previously linked to the DAS holder. When a DAS return time was given, the DAS return time automatically included Mom even though she hadn't entered the park yet. When Mom finally arrived, she could ride with the DAS holder on that ride. But if Mom didn't arrive and the DAS return was used for the DAS holder, the DAS return is redeemed for everyone.

 

[theluckyrabbit]

I've actually seen it. Maybe we're talking about something different?

I meant that one person (let's say Mom) in the group hadn't gone through either entrance so her ticket hadn't been active for that day. But the DAS holder was active but Mom had been previously linked to the DAS holder. When a DAS return time was given, the DAS return time automatically included Mom even though she hadn't entered the park yet. When Mom finally arrived, she could ride with the DAS holder on that ride. But if Mom didn't arrive and the DAS return was used for the DAS holder, the DAS return is redeemed for everyone.

I'll have to ask about this the next time we get a return time. But I've actually had CMs ask me if everyone attached to my DAS is in the parks with me (i.e. have they all scanned into the parks). So I'm not sure why they would bother to ask that if, as in your scenario, it apparently doesn't matter. How recently have you seen that happen?

 

[bcla]

I'll have to ask about this the next time we get a return time. But I've actually had CMs ask me if everyone attached to my DAS is in the parks with me (i.e. have they all scanned into the parks). So I'm not sure why they would bother to ask that if, as in your scenario, it apparently doesn't matter. How recently have you seen that happen?

This month. A CM specifically said that when the other member of the group entered that was OK to join. And the one thing about DAS return times are that they don't expire until the park closes.

 

[theluckyrabbit]

@DLgal, @midnight star, and any other regular DAS users at DLR: Has anyone regularly been able to get return times that include guests not scanned into the parks? Is this a glitch? Or a regular feature of DAS?

 

[DLgal]

@DLgal, @midnight star, and any other regular DAS users at DLR: Has anyone regularly been able to get return times that include guests not scanned into the parks? Is this a glitch? Or a regular feature of DAS?

I'm not really sure, but it's possible. Whenever we have gone and not had everyone in our linked party present, I haven't really paid attention to whether it changes the party size on the digital DAS return pass. I do know everytime we ask for a return time, they confirm how many of us it should be for. I'll have to pay attention next time I take my DAS son solo.

 

[midnight star]

@DLgal, @midnight star, and any other regular DAS users at DLR: Has anyone regularly been able to get return times that include guests not scanned into the parks? Is this a glitch? Or a regular feature of DAS?

Yes. Another one of my friends who has DAS, has me linked to her tickets. When she is at the park without me, she will get return times, and I’ll get notifications about rides when I’m not there. When I asked she said the CM’s just give return times to the entire list of tickets linked rather than just her and her boyfriend. They could technically get random people and bring them with them on the rides with them via return times (they don’t, just to be safe just in case). So when they go now, they make sure to tell the CM, it’s just them 2, so they don’t give it to the whole list of people. Same when I go if I’m solo so they don’t get notifications if they aren’t there.

 

[DLgal]

Yes. Another one of my friends who has DAS, has me linked to her tickets. When she is at the park without me, she will get return times, and I’ll get notifications about rides when I’m not there. When I asked she said the CM’s just give return times to the entire list of tickets linked rather than just her and her boyfriend. They could technically get random people and bring them with them on the rides with them via return times (they don’t, just to be safe just in case).

No, they can't just grab random people to ride with them. When you go back for the return time, everyone has to scan a ticket in and get a green light. If a person wasn't originally on the DAS party list when the return time was given, that ticket won't turn green and they will not be allowed entry.

 

[bcla]

No, they can't just grab random people to ride with them. When you go back for the return time, everyone has to scan a ticket in and get a green light. If a person wasn't originally on the DAS party list when the return time was given, that ticket won't turn green and they will not be allowed entry.

I believe the hypothetical situation would be if someone just randomly asked another guest if they want to be added to their linked DAS group. Why anyone would do that is another matter.

 

[DLgal]

I believe the hypothetical situation would be if someone just randomly asked another guest if they want to be added to their linked DAS group. Why anyone would do that is another matter.

You can't just do that, though. You would have to visit a kiosk with those random people, have those scanned in and added, and THEN get a return time. Also, there is a limit of 6 people per DAS party.

 

[midnight star]

No, they can't just grab random people to ride with them. When you go back for the return time, everyone has to scan a ticket in and get a green light. If a person wasn't originally on the DAS party list when the return time was given, that ticket won't turn green and they will not be allowed entry.

I meant was say there are 6 people linked, and the CM issues all 6 a return time even though some may not be in the park. The DAS holder could scan in all of those with other people even if they don't match the names since CM's don't check matching people, just the DAS holder.

Again hypothetical, I personally wouldn't do that. Not sure if that would break rules of the DAS.

 

[bcla]

You can't just do that, though. You would have to visit a kiosk with those random people, have those scanned in and added, and THEN get a return time. Also, there is a limit of 6 people per DAS party.

Yes. However, once the group is set they’re all automatically linked and don’t have to be there

Only the DAS holder has to be there when setting up a return time. Also, I believe it can be done just with the paper ticket. It might be possible for one person in the DAS group to serve as a runner, although I’m not sure if that’s against the rules or not.

Also, I’m not necessarily thinking of this as gaming the system if there’s a legitimate disability involved, but FastPasses run out for many popular rides while DAS doesn’t. It’s still using DAS in the way that Disney Parks understood it would work - enabling guests with special needs to maybe try a ride with a short line or just walk around. I know some special needs kids where excessive boredom in lines may turn into a meltdown, although some of the Disney queues do have lots of things to capture interest.

 

[DLgal]

I meant was say there are 6 people linked, and the CM issues all 6 a return time even though some may not be in the park. The DAS holder could scan in all of those with other people even if they don't match the names since CM's don't check matching people, just the DAS holder.

Again hypothetical, I personally wouldn't do that. Not sure if that would break rules of the DAS.

Oh, I see now. We always scan our tickets, we don't use the phone app. It wouldn't work if people scanned their tickets.

 

[ashley0139]

Scanned the tickets via the phone app

I guess the CM would have to really be not paying attention, since when you scan the phone app the picture comes up and if they were even mildly paying attention they would see that the second person is not there at all.

 

[bcla]

Oh, I see now. We always scan our tickets, we don't use the phone app. It wouldn't work if people scanned their tickets.

My understanding is that paper tickets and the virtual tickets are treated the same. Once a ticket's barcode is scanned to the app, it creates a virtual ticket. I'm not sure how it works because it's not strictly the same barcode (the app uses PDF417 2D codes) but no matter whether I used that or the paper ticket every FP reservation showed up in the app.

As for DAS, once the group is linked to the DAS guest, it doesn't matter. Only the ticket (virtual or paper) for the DAS guest needs to be scanned by a CM, and then all linked guests automatically go along for the ride.