Can You get in trouble for this???

[2Disneybuggs]

If the kids are small can't two of them share a bed? Vacations are fun so a sleepover type arrangement should not be suspicious.

 

[lark]

I'm kind of curious whether the people who argue this is an ethics issue have ever transferred a park hopper so that more than one person used some days. Or even better, if someone on this board figured out a way that people not using their postcard codes could get them transferred to you without disney knowing, would you do it? Do you tell the resort if they leave a minibar item off your bill? At least be honest with yourself before you are critical of others.

I'm not sure whether it is actually an ethics issue. Transferring a park hopper definitely is. I think the question whether having a 5 in a room is an ethics issue depend on why Disney has the rule. If it's a money issue for disney, like the transferability of park hoppers, then, yes, it is an ethics issue. That is, if Disney's concern is that they want to make more money by making parties of 5 or more stay in more expensive hotels or get multiple rooms and suites, then sneaking a fifth person into a four person room is indeed an ethical question. Yes, you will get away with it, but you have to make your own choice whether it is acceptable behavior. You are in effect "taking" something you're not entitled to.

If however this is a safety or hotel crowd control measure, then I don't think it is actually an ethical issue. Maybe you could make the argument that by adding one extra person you are interfering with the safety of other guests, but that is such an extreme unliklihood that it's virtually negligible, and inapplicable if the hotel is not sold out. Yes, you are adding an incremental burden on the housekeeping staff and perhaps costing disney slightly more in laundry and energy, although again, that one is so negligible that I don't really think you're "teaching" your kids something horrible. Leave a bigger tip than you otherwise would and explain why and you turn a supposedly "bad" lesson into a good one.

As for the claim that this is "lying," that's probably true. It depends on what questions you are asked and when you're asked them. I can see situations where can you try to do this and never actually lie.

Finally, arranging to get another card and sneaking a fifth person into early entry is pretty much hard to argue. It's stealing. Very modest stealing, but stealing nonetheless. Again, to each his own on the level of such stuff they are willing to tolerate or encourage. It's certainly not materially different from the kinds of things that many people do all the time.

 

[debm]

Well, I wrote a long post last night only to find that the server was busy and it froze. I'm curious what others do with 4 kids. We normally use our DVC points but will be coming in January and want to stay at Poly or AKL. If the baby doesn't count then our we techinically 5? My little ones prefer their sleeping bags on the floor anyhow--even at the Villas. I certainly can't afford 2 rooms or a $1000/night suite. In a way I feel discriminated against. If we are more than comfortable in the room why should there be a problem? It is not like I'm trying to squash 12 people into a room to save money! For us it is more of a fire hazard to be separated. I can't imagine Daddy trying to take care of 2 and me the other 2. We have a boy with special needs and having an extra door to the outside like you do with connecting rooms is a nightmare!!! Just curious what others have done. Thanks!

 

[lmhall2000]

Deb...You may want to ask Disney...it is my understanding that you can have a crib in a room that has a daybed...when our children were crib age (under 2) they let us stay in a standard at AKL that only holds 4 but they brought the crib in...I'm fairly certain you can do the same at the Poly with a crib...per their rules.

I'm kind of curious whether the people who argue this is an ethics issue have ever transferred a park hopper so that more than one person used some days. Or even better, if someone on this board figured out a way that people not using their postcard codes could get them transferred to you without disney knowing, would you do it? Do you tell the resort if they leave a minibar item off your bill? At least be honest with yourself before you are critical of others.

You asked the wrong person here...I was the one in that ethics meeting that stood firm on not bending the rules. I was the lone star for the first 3 hours, then finally 4 other people acknowledged that their ethics had been compromised...alas, the other 7 never would agree. Yes, they agreed it was wrong...but their excuse was they could not compete in the industry with everyone else stealing corporate secrets and their not being able to compete...in order to level the playing field they needed to compromise their ethics. (By the way I was District Rep of the year consecutively, and earned more bonuses than those who compromised) Never transferred a park hopper, never used another's post card rate, have told the hotel they forgot to charge me for a breakfast item...never even open those mini-bars...much too frugal. I am very honest with myself, and I am not so much critical of others as I am of the state of our society....get what you can while you can. Buying more than you can afford, then filing bankruptcy to absolve your debts....cheating or even avoiding paying your taxes....stealing cable...etc. etc.
We're building a house at this moment and the builder's designer kept leaving off a charge for an upgrade..I kept reminding her...and she said that it's not often buyers remind them to charge them...usually they're asking them to take it off. So, yes I strive hard to practice what I preach and I just hope more of us would see the benefits of having a code of ethics...it's all where you draw the line...I draw my line very high.
Tara

 

[Becky2005]

Originally posted by debm
Well, I wrote a long post last night only to find that the server was busy and it froze. I'm curious what others do with 4 kids. We normally use our DVC points but will be coming in January and want to stay at Poly or AKL. If the baby doesn't count then our we techinically 5?.... Just curious what others have done. Thanks!

We have 4 kids, our littliest one is 1, so we can get away with being "5" for occupancy rates. We are staying in 1 regular room at the Contemporary. Since my kids are younger, I don't like the idea of 2 rooms (i.e. a door to the outside). If they were older it would be fine but not at their ages now. I think the Poly & AKL (? Not sure about that one) can also hold 5 so as long as the 4th child is under 3, you are fine there.

 

[jonemick]

Wow, filing bankruptcy, stealing cable, avoid paying your taxes, etc...

What the heck does any of that have to do with Disney? Let's get into reality here !

And braging about how ethical you are is just plain un-ethical.

 

[KevinFSU]

Dry up people who have a problem with this. You crack me up. You poo-poo people doing things like this, yet I'll bet you are the first ones to try and get a FREE upgrade (a.k.a. trying to get something, but not paying for it).

 

[luvindisneyworld]

Originally posted by DisneyDmbNut
Really??? In all the years I have gone, I have never been asked for my resort card.

We have Always been ask for our resort ID for EE days.

 

[cavecricket]

you will be fine!!!.....if they catch ya tell them you were drinking and could not drive her back to her hotel !!!

no seriously, disney has better things to do then go undercover and seek out anyone violating the rules, its not like your trying to jam an entire football team in 1 room , I dont think mousekeeping gets morning breifing on operation sleepingbag!!!
have fun

 

[cavecricket]

Originally posted by DisneyDmbNut
Really??? In all the years I have gone, I have never been asked for my resort card.

thats funny.... neither have I !!!! i havent had to give up by "resort id to use the transportation either!!!!



Another DMB fan??!!!! me too
hence "cavrcricket" lol

 

[lmhall2000]

Wow, filing bankruptcy, stealing cable, avoid paying your taxes, etc...

The question was asked...he said he was curious if...and I answered...I was not bragging...just letting the poster know that I indeed do back up what I state. Which I think is a valid question in today's state...many do not support what they want others to...
Those same people that filed bankruptcy, stole cable, avoided their taxes asked themselves the same question..."Who is this going to hurt?" I'm simply saying...that should not be the question...it should be "is this the right thing to do?"

Tara

 

[lark]

Originally posted by lmhall2000
Those same people that filed bankruptcy, stole cable, avoided their taxes asked themselves the same question..."Who is this going to hurt?" Tara

One of these things is not like the other . . . .

There's nothing improper with filing bankruptcy. It's not immoral or unethical or wrong in any respect. It's the law. If you don't like it, don't blame the person who does it, do the thing that one does in America when one doesn't like a law: tell your legislator or vote for a different one. In fact, for those who do it, filing bankruptcy comes with its own consequences.

Think of filing bankruptcy as similar to using a child's AP pass to get an AP discount. Nothing wrong with it all. You're playing by the rules. Getting an advantage that people who don't invest the time to learn the system do not? Perhaps. But there's nothing unethical about that. It's just a question of priorities.

There's also nothing wrong with "avoiding taxes" if done according to the law.

 

[cavecricket]

who really gives a care????????

why does anyone care about anyone else's vaca????

now....if someone came on here and posted, in which room at the GF would someone rocked on crack and vicodin have the best hallucinagetic view of the mk fireworks then the b-tching would be warrented,
however this scenario please, get a clue.....this sh-t makes me disgusted,


so silly , i cant stand anyone who thinks they are the "law"

keep it to yourself, if i wanted to listen to a bunch of bickering hens i would invest my time elsewhere. for the love of all things disney she was asking a dam question............

 

[Michelle2]

I usually do not post on these "extra person in a room" threads, because I don't want to get flamed. But since someone asked about the family of 6 question, I felt I had some experience...LOL
We have 4 kids, so when we stayed at the GF Oct. 2003, I thought that I was sneaking the baby in...(he was 16 months at the time.) Of course, now I know that it was perfectly fine for the baby under 3 to be in a crib along with the 5 of us. We brought a blow up bed and had our 2 girls sleep on it on the floor, because then, the baby still slept with momma (unfortunately.) And it made for a little bit more sleeping room.
I know that housekeeping saw this blow up bed that we always cleared out and put up against the wall out of the way every morning, and they never said anything. We tried to keep things as clean as possible for them and for us with all those people. But, for all they knew, we were probably sneaking someone in. They never mentioned anything.
I am not saying either is right, but I just wanted to mention my experience with the family of 6 issue. Every time the bellman brought up our bags, in the Royal Pacific Resort at Universal, at the GF, and every other Disney hotel we stayed in (DL too), they always asked if we wanted extra blankets, and sleeping bags...they just saw alot of kids LOL. So I doubt that seeing sleeping bags in the room would make them thing you were sneaking people in. So I say, don't even worry about packing them (sleeping bags) ask the hotel instead and save some travel space! (I do not know if this is available at all resorts, just the deluxes we have stayed at.)
Everyone knows what is the best arrangements for their families, and I'll bet that the ones who find the 5th or 6th person as cheating or stealing, do not have kids, or no more than 2 or 3, so it is not a problem for them. It's easy to criticize when it does not apply to your own situation. Don't flame me, it is just my opinion.

 

[Rosie28A]

A few good rules to follow:

1. Take the "holier than thou" attitude out of your posts.

2. Respond to a poster with a suggestive attitude rather than
a this is the final answer attitude. You know what they say
about "know it alls".

3. Irrellevant stroking of one's self and abilities should be left
to weight lost, not on ego trips of yesteryear.

4. "Receive correction and feedback from others graciously."
(Proverbs 10:17, 12:1) If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[notyetretired]

Personally I find it ironic that when people with ethics show a little backbone they are immediately attacked and ridiculed. Even if you don't see anything wrong with "bending the rules", there's no reason to belittle people who prefer to obey them. It's not like they're hurting you or anyone else, so why not just let them do as they please?

 

[llrain]

that is actually a good point....

Originally posted by jonemick
Mo, don't let these yahoo's on here ruin your plans. Some of these posters act like there saints. Then they bring up the "what are you teaching your kids" slogan. Then if all else fails they try to blow some smoke up your as* and mention that it's a strict fire code set by the fire marchal. I'm guessing these people always obey the speed limit, have never cussed in front of there children and are perfect in most other ways also.

 

[miakoda]

Personally I find it ironic that when people with ethics show a little backbone they are immediately attacked and ridiculed. Even if you don't see anything wrong with "bending the rules", there's no reason to belittle people who prefer to obey them. It's not like they're hurting you or anyone else, so why not just let them do as they please?

Well put....it's so funny the excuses people tell themselves to excuse their behavior. Disney sets policy, then some decide that policy doesn't apply to them or their circumstances and refuse to follow it. Hmmm, ok, if thats your choice, and you can live with it, but please don't write speeches filled with excuses to justify your actions and criticize someone who feels very strongly about doing whats right for them? Would lead one to believe your sense of right behavior feels more comfortable if 'everybody's doing it'.

 

[lark]

Personally I find it ironic that when people with ethics show a little backbone they are immediately attacked and ridiculed.

Not to belabor an already silly thread, but where's the "backbone"? I think people are reacting to the judgmental nature of the ethics posts. If it were simply a case of people saying, "this has just never felt right to us so we don't do it," I don't think you'd be seeing the same reaction. I don't think it takes much backbone to, essentially, imply that others one doesn't know are bad (or at least unethical) people.

I also am missing the irony.

 

[klwdisney]

I agree with the posters suggesting either changing your resort to or splitting your stay with Port Orleans Riverside for the trundle bed... those rooms do allow 5 occupants. We stayed in them in 1999 and LOVED this room and this resort!

Sorry you are getting blasted for asking a simple question I can't believe how far people have taken this - 3 pages worth of arguing?! WOW! We are not ALL like this Mo... sorry you are being treated this way for just "wondering" about something.