Can you all stand another vent.........

[golfgal]

Sorry but I have to agree that the OP should have gotten there more then 2 minutes early. She was going by HER watch, what if it is off, what if the leader's watch is off. Sorry that is just cutting it way too close. Next time plan to be there 10 minutes early. You can still just drop her off if the leaders are there, I don't see why you would have to wait around OR why waiting around for 10 minutes is a big deal vs your DD missing the event?

 

[Loverly]

I agree with golfgal- arriving two minutes before departure is rude, IMO

 

[OceanAnnie]

As a former GS Troop Leader, Camp First Aider, volunteer for many years...
Let me be blunt. IMO? The Troop Leader left without your DD *because* it was your DD. Am I suspicious about what actually happened? *Yes*. I almost have to wonder what time they actually left, what time everyone else got there... Unfortunately, there are petty, vindictive people who run troops, it's not all sweetness and light. I ran into some...well, let's just say some "interesting" folks at all levels in my years of Scouting.
Did the OP cut it close? *Maybe*.
Was she late? *No*.
Does the TL have a cell? Yes.
Is she answering the OP's calls? No.
Would she answer a call from another phone? Probably...

agnes!

You know, I was wondering about that angle too, given the history. It's a definite possibility. Not a pretty one.

 

[TeresaNJ]

Sorry but I have to agree that the OP should have gotten there more then 2 minutes early. She was going by HER watch, what if it is off, what if the leader's watch is off. Sorry that is just cutting it way too close. Next time plan to be there 10 minutes early. You can still just drop her off if the leaders are there, I don't see why you would have to wait around OR why waiting around for 10 minutes is a big deal vs your DD missing the event?

I disagree with this. The OP was NOT LATE. Suppose there was a last minute bathroom issue? Come on, this is a GS trip. Knowing that the OP's daughter was going on the trip, for them to leave EARLY was inexcusable, in my opinion, of course.

 

[LuvOrlando]

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[LisaNJ25]

I am sorry your dd missed the trip. I would bring up up with the leader. If the leader is that bad I would consider contacting council or even starting your own troop.

I always put my departure time a 15 minutes earlier than I wan to depart. to allow for late comers. But I have also had no shows and have called both parents cell phones and house phone and have gotten no response. That annoys me the most since the troop pays for for of the trip. We have a trip to a zoo 2 hours away next weekend. I am not driving, its council sponsored. Each girl got a copy of the directions to the Zoo if they miss the bus. They will also have to reimburse the $50 the troop paid if they miss the trip.

Your leaders should of given a call to your cell phone.

 

[cristit14]

Isn't that incredibly rude to the people who DID show up on time?

To the OP, why are you sending your daughter off with people who you don't like/get along with?

I don't find me waiting incredibly rude at all. It is all about the girls. The parents don't have to wait around for us to actually leave. You never know if watches are off, maybe someone had to stop and get gas, forgot something at the house.... If they haven't shown up within 10 minutes of the agreed upon time I start calling to make sure they are still coming.

 

[dogluva]

I was a Girl Scout leader for six years. I would never have left earlier than the time, especially if a girl who said she was going was missing. I would wait the extra five, ten minutes (mad, yes, but why take it out on the girl?) then try to call the cell phone. Things happen, like this girl had to use the bathroom. So I think this leader was mean and I feel really sorry for your daughter.

 

[RitaZ.]

When my daughter was younger I also experienced a bad leader and ended up going to counsel about her so I know your pain.

I have been a leader for GS also and if I knew that someone was suppose to go on a trip and for some reason they were not there at the time that was told to be there I think that the common sense thing to do is to make a phone call to the parent and check on that child. There could have been a very good reason why a person was not there on time. There are a lot of reasons why someone could be late. I don't think I need to give examples. Anyway, I don't think that there is an excuse for any leader to leave a child without trying to communicate with them. We live in an age of cell phones afterall. The adult leader is not responsible and she certainly is not a good example of a leader. I mean what was a 5 minute wait if you knew that the child was so close(of course you wouldn't know unless you tried to call or if you or whoever the emergency contact person would answer their phone)....it wasn't like they were catching a plane that has a schedule. They were going to a YMCA.

Absolutely!

 

[momrek06]

OP, both my DS' are Eagle Scouts...that being said DH & I have had one millllion scout trips that both DS' went on over their many many years in scouting and I would just like to say their Troop would wait and wait and wait and wait for every last scout even if they are then late leaving for the overnight.

My boys were in scouting BEFORE we had cell phones and could call a scout who was running late hence the need for us in waiting. Even if the meet time was 6:15pm, many times the scouts never even headed out of the parking lot until close to 7pm. DH or I, whoever was dropping off would wait until they all saddled up and left.

AND I might add there have been times (not allot of them) that parents there waiting would actually get back in their cars and drive to the "missing" scouts home or to a payphone to call to see if indeed they are going to be going on the overnight.

I will say WE HAVE NEVER EVER LEFT WITHOUT ANY SCOUT EVER!!!!!!!!!

Call the Council and speak to someone there and tell them what happened.

I find this disturbing and a shame that not one person; leader or girl scout said "we need to wait for (your DD)".........

 

[Beth76]

OK, so let's say watches could be off. If that's the case then the leader is also responsible for giving a bit of leeway as well. Especially since she knew someone was on the way. What's wrong with the leader saying "My watch could be off, let's give them another 5 minutes". Instead of "It's sucks to be them. We're outta here."

I don't find me waiting incredibly rude at all. It is all about the girls.

I totally agree. I would hope the girls would want to wait a few extra minutes if it meant their friend gets to join them as opposed to getting left behind.

 

[Pam]

OP, both my DS' are Eagle Scouts...that being said DH & I have had one millllion scout trips that both DS' went on over their many many years in scouting and I would just like to say their Troop would wait and wait and wait and wait for every last scout even if they are then late leaving for the overnight.

My boys were in scouting BEFORE we had cell phones and could call a scout who was running late hence the need for us in waiting. Even if the meet time was 6:15pm, many times the scouts never even headed out of the parking lot until close to 7pm. DH or I, whoever was dropping off would wait until they all saddled up and left.

AND I might add there have been times (not allot of them) that parents there waiting would actually get back in their cars and drive to the "missing" scouts home or to a payphone to call to see if indeed they are going to be going on the overnight.

I will say WE HAVE NEVER EVER LEFT WITHOUT ANY SCOUT EVER!!!!!!!!!

Call the Council and speak to someone there and tell them what happened.

I find this disturbing and a shame that not one person; leader or girl scout said "we need to wait for (your DD)".........

My son is also an Eagle Scout. He didn't get a cell phone until he was 15 years old and his Troop did the exact same thing that yours did!

The Troop waited. Sometimes they used the phone at the Church (their usual meeting place). If someone had a cell phone on them, calls were made to the parents' houses to check on the Scout. Many times an Asst. Scoutmaster or another parent would jump in the car and track down the Scout.

Now, I do have to agree with some of the other posters, the OP should have gotten there a couple of minutes earlier. It always took a little time to transfer the Scout's gear from one vehicle to another.

OK, so let's say watches could be off. If that's the case then the leader is also responsible for giving a bit of leeway as well. Especially since she knew someone was on the way. What's wrong with the leader saying "My watch could be off, let's give them another 5 minutes".
Instead of "It's sucks to be them. We're outta here."

It appears that the Leader was almost happy to leave a couple of minutes early and exclude the girl. I wonder if she turned off her cell phone as well?

 

[dcgrumpy]

Sorry OP if I confused you with someone else.

I wonder who that was then. They were going somewhere and somehow the daughter got excluded and the mom called the GS offices or something and they called back and talked with the daughter and apologized and then the second in charge leader mom called too saying that everyone was afraid to stand up to the leader. Does this ring a bell to anyone? Who was that?

I think this is the thread you're thinking of http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1450442

 

[Pea-n-Me]

The fact that your call wasn't returned, to me, speaks volumes.

I'm sorry this happened to your DD.

 

[RitaZ.]

The fact that your call wasn't returned, to me, speaks volumes.

I'm sorry this happened to your DD.

It sure does!

 

[momrek06]

My son is also an Eagle Scout.

It appears that the Leader was almost happy to leave a couple of minutes early and exclude the girl. I wonder if she turned off her cell phone as well?

Like I said previously, I just find it so sad and very upsetting that if indeed this is a Troop in good standing with their Council WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY LEAVE BEHIND A SCOUT THEY KNEW WAS COMING??? And the fact that absolutely NO ONE else questioned the Leaders decision to head out for the overnight w/o the OP's DD!!!!

PAM: Congratultions to your DS for reaching the outstanding rank of EAGLE SCOUT!!!

 

[maxiesmom]

I disagree with this. The OP was NOT LATE. Suppose there was a last minute bathroom issue? Come on, this is a GS trip. Knowing that the OP's daughter was going on the trip, for them to leave EARLY was inexcusable, in my opinion, of course.

Sorry, but 2 minutes early is not early enough. That doesn't even allow for the fact that your watch might be slow, or someone else's watch fast. For all you know the troop leader could have waited 5 minutes, by their watch. You shouldn't have cut it so close.

 

[diz8297]

I am with the OP-the leader was mean and petty. She wasn't late-she was on time. There is a history between them and apparently the leader saw an opportunity to be the lesser person. It never fails to amaze me how mean women can be to each other.

 

[Beth76]

Sorry, but 2 minutes early is not early enough. That doesn't even allow for the fact that you watch might be slow, or someone else's watch fast. For all you know the troop leader could have waited 5 minutes, by their watch. You shouldn't have cut it so close.

Since when does 2 minutes early equal late? If the leader's watch was indeed 7 minutes off, then it's still the leader's fault for not keeping the correct time.

 

[L107ANGEL]

OK, so let's say watches could be off. If that's the case then the leader is also responsible for giving a bit of leeway as well. Especially since she knew someone was on the way. What's wrong with the leader saying "My watch could be off, let's give them another 5 minutes". Instead of "It's sucks to be them. We're outta here."


I totally agree. I would hope the girls would want to wait a few extra minutes if it meant their friend gets to join them as opposed to getting left behind.

Totally agree with all of this Beth!